Hattrick

[kuhnscoot]

The easiest players to level up are the ones 21 and under, they take less time to move up a level, not that that really helps you with your 24 year old. He still may level up though, it'll just take longer then it would if he was 20 or something.

[Footer Phooter]

Originally posted by junjunforever
I've got a question on training players.


I noticed that there is heck of a difference between anything passable and solid. Is that because its takes long to train from passable to solid? Do some skills improve much faster other skills? I'm guessing Defense improves faster than play making ability since defenders are like 1/10th the price of midfielders. Is there like a "wall" where its virtually impossible to improve after a certain point?

Sorry for the bombardment of questions. Basically the question is, should i train my passable playmaking guys (like 24yrs) for better midfield or should i train something else, sell them, and buy better midfielders?

Try to get younger passable midfielders and train them up, they shouldn't be too expensive. I don't think defending moves up faster than playmaking. I know goaltending, scoring and winger do though.

There's no wall. It takes as long to move from passable to solid as from outstanding to brilliant, assuming everything else stays the same.

[Craig P]

Originally posted by junjunforever
I've got a question on training players.


I noticed that there is heck of a difference between anything passable and solid. Is that because its takes long to train from passable to solid?No, it's because there are a lot more youth pulls at passable than there are at solid.

Do some skills improve much faster other skills? I'm guessing Defense improves faster than play making ability since defenders are like 1/10th the price of midfielders.Some skills do improve faster than others, but defending is not one of them. In fact, defending is the slowest, probably because you can train up to ten players at 100%. The progression (from fastest to slowest) is something like winger, keeper, forward, playmaking, defense.

Is there like a "wall" where its virtually impossible to improve after a certain point?Only one imposed by age. See Jude Sutherland, the U.S. 13* goaltender who is a good bit above divine.

Basically the question is, should i train my passable playmaking guys (like 24yrs) for better midfield or should i train something else, sell them, and buy better midfielders?I wouldn't recommend training them at all, they're too old. You should look to train players 19 or younger if you can (although if you start at 19, it's OK to keep going when they're 20 and 21). Remember that each year of age above 19 adds about an extra week to training time.

[AAGunner3]

Originally posted by junjunforever
I've got a question on training players.


I noticed that there is heck of a difference between anything passable and solid. Is that because its takes long to train from passable to solid? Do some skills improve much faster other skills? I'm guessing Defense improves faster than play making ability since defenders are like 1/10th the price of midfielders. Is there like a "wall" where its virtually impossible to improve after a certain point?

Sorry for the bombardment of questions. Basically the question is, should i train my passable playmaking guys (like 24yrs) for better midfield or should i train something else, sell them, and buy better midfielders?

Question is, are you able to afford passable young guys? After just starting and paying for a new coach/stadium/etc.... you may not have much money. I think I could afford 1 passable IM when I started. Already had 1. Then I started finding young guys that I could train, all inadequates mind you. I'll be able to sell some of them off at the end of the season/or during the next one.

Do you want to stay competitive in your series and avoid relegation? You might need to hold onto your 24yo passable PM and who ever else you fell you might need to keep. Dump the rest and buy trainees for development.

If you noticed a big difference between passable and solid playmakers in your market research, you may want to hold onto your 24 yo passable PM until he turns solid. Let him help keep you stay competitive and decide later at Solid if you want to depart with him.

GenghisKahn
Mongrel FC
USA V.188

[junjunforever]

Thanks everyone for all the great responses.

it looks like the bids i've won are all pretty mediocre. Hope i had asked this question earlier.


I might be able to top the league if i'm lucky, but i saw my division leader die 5-0 on a qualification match, so i'm not counting on moving up too much.


All these freaks... sit in front of their computers and outbid me in the last minute. Maybe i should turn into a geek and do the same thing. This game is so fun!!

[ArsenalTexan3]

Originally posted by junjunforever
All these freaks... sit in front of their computers and outbid me in the last minute. Maybe i should turn into a geek and do the same thing. This game is so fun!!


Yes bet like them and us. :)

[kopiteinkc]

Originally posted by ArsenalTexan3
Yey! Thats at least 3 votes. :)


I voted for you as well!

[Ferris]

Does anyone know how effective short passing is as a training tool?

[ArsenalTexan3]

Not sure is passing does anything Kinda like shooting which did nothing to help. I could and most likely will be wrong.

[champmanager]

Originally posted by Ferris Beuler
Does anyone know how effective short passing is as a training tool?

I think if you go to the trouble of digging through this thread you'll find a long discussion on the subject of passing. I was thinking hard about trying it last season, but others talked me out of it. I suggest reading it though, since I still think there might be limited situatuions it might be called for, though not in a "traditional" training system that most people use.

[AAGunner3]

Originally posted by Ferris Beuler
Does anyone know how effective short passing is as a training tool?

Originally posted by Ferris Beuler
Does anyone know how effective short passing is as a training tool?

There was a discussion on the Conferences the last couple of days concerning passing. They mentioned that Someone pulled a youth with excellent passing, but little else. Wasn't chosen for the u20 squad and didn't sell for nearly as the owners had hoped.

I think common thinking about passing is that it's a nice secondary but has little value as a primary skill. And as such will garner little attention from buyers unless coupled with a very good GK/Def/Pm/W/Scor skill.

That being said, you might have to do a passing regimen differently. I think to do it right, you'd have to buy good players to begin with, not trainees. Passing takes what guys? five weeks to train a level? I don't remember. But acquire new guys and train their passing up a level or two over the course of a season and then sell at the end of the season.

Keep in mind, you're not driving his value with the improvement of a primary skill. You're enhancing value with a secondary. The money you'll make is from the quick turnaround of an excellent player with inad passing, who now has excellent primary and solid passing. The question is, can you make enough money off of something like that to make it worth your while? Can you afford the price of those players? I can't.

I'm about to play my 13th league game tomorrow. If I am more successful financially in the future, I may consider this as an option. Especially while I enhance the passing skills of my core players. But for now, I've got to focus on training a primary so that I can get outta debt and make enough improvements to ensure my success.

Yours truly,
GenghisKahn
Mongrel FC
USA V.188

[champmanager]

Lost the season opener at home to the other newly promoted team. Hadn't lost a league match at home in the past two seasons. I'm hoping this was something of a fluke (but not much of one, certainly), and my team's in pretty poor form. But its going to be a long, long, year.

[ArsenalTexan3]

HT Live is nifty. allows me to see how the rest of the league is doing.

[MLS SupaStr3]

ye i like it too

i saw all my league games and all the ones from the major league

won my league game 6-0 :D

[ArsenalTexan3]

lost 2-nil. :( Good news is 15758 out of 17000 showed up. :)

[kuhnscoot]

I will agree that HT Live is great, like has been said I can keep up with the teams in my league. I could see this being very handy later in the season so you can see how you are going to end up.
I could also see it having a huge affect if you were ever able to make subs and such mid game, you could see that you need to win a game to stay up, so you could sub in a forward to help attack. I'm not advocating that hattrick should add that cause it would just make the game a little to difficult to control, especially if it's hard to get online during the game time but it would just add a whole new aspect to the game.

Anyways enough with the ramble, I won my league game 4-0.

[Footer Phooter]

3-2 win in div 3. Got a brilliant midfield rating. :)

[Footer Phooter]

Originally posted by kuhnscoot
I will agree that HT Live is great, like has been said I can keep up with the teams in my league. I could see this being very handy later in the season so you can see how you are going to end up.
I could also see it having a huge affect if you were ever able to make subs and such mid game, you could see that you need to win a game to stay up, so you could sub in a forward to help attack. I'm not advocating that hattrick should add that cause it would just make the game a little to difficult to control, especially if it's hard to get online during the game time but it would just add a whole new aspect to the game.



The subs thing would force people to be in front of the computer during game time. I'm not always home during the matches, so I'd be against it.

[AAGunner3]

I (#4) tied the third place team 0-0. Dominated midfield, especially after 1 of their 2 poor IMs got double booked. But my guys couldn't hit the ground with the ball if they dropped it. Started my more experienced strikers but they were in poor form. Was also playing the best defense, or it was last year anyway, in the league.

But the fact that I was playing what I consider this week's second stringers at my opponent's venue and came away with a point makes me relatively happy.

Nice to be back in the full swing of HT again.

I too really like HTLive. I really like the fact that it is an internet application and not a 3rd party product residing on my PC that crashes and takes up sys resources.

[kopiteinkc]

My team got a walk over 5-0 as the other team didn't field enough players.

He sent me a HT email saying he didn't get his line up orders posted in time. He has spent the off season offloading players and on game day brought in a whole bunch of new players. But forgot about the 15 minute rule on setting orders.

I got the 3 points, but what happens to my training for those 11 players? Do they miss out if I play my scrubs in the cup on Wednesday?