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[kopiteinkc]

Good training update for me today, I now have three "solid" playmakers, woo-hoo!

[Lone Star]

Originally posted by kopiteinkc
Good training update for me today, I now have three "solid" playmakers, woo-hoo!
Same here........one 21 year old playmaker jumped to 'outstanding', joining his 21 year old buddy. In the meantime, I'm waiting for my $6,000,000 midfielder to go 'supernatural'.

Panther City FC
II.1

[kopiteinkc]

Originally posted by Lone Star
Same here........one 21 year old playmaker jumped to 'outstanding', joining his 21 year old buddy. In the meantime, I'm waiting for my $6,000,000 midfielder to go 'supernatural'.

Panther City FC
II.1

Wow, one of my "solid" playmaker's is only 18, so someday he might reach those heights.

[mundial]

Well I just had a forward go to excellent, but he's already 20.

[champmanager]

I just had 2 forwards go to formidable, I'd like to sell them except they're both passable or inadequate passers, so I'd like to hold onto them and sell off my wretched passers when they go up. The timing is always off though...last week I sold a youth pull who was a passable scorer and passer, because I had no room for him to train.
I guess my problems must seem like blessings to some of you.

[Lone Star]

Originally posted by champmanager
I just had 2 forwards go to formidable, I'd like to sell them except they're both passable or inadequate passers, so I'd like to hold onto them and sell off my wretched passers when they go up. The timing is always off though...last week I sold a youth pull who was a passable scorer and passer, because I had no room for him to train.
I guess my problems must seem like blessings to some of you.
Is passing a skill that matters so much with strikers? I never can tell with this game.........

As for me, I'm good at training but sucky at selling. I've trained playmaking for a loooooong time, and my 'youth nation' now consists of a 23 year old brilliant and 2 21 year old outstandings (plus an additional 21 year old THIS CLOSE). Only the brilliant guy actually starts, but I don't want to sell the other guys. Maybe I'm too emotionally attached........

My next big purchase will most likely be a 'world class' or better keeper, so I guess I need to sell some of these guys off soon. I currently only have like $1.5 mil at my disposal.

Panther City FC
II.1

[ArsenalTexan3]

What training types are the best to start off with? My defenders are fairly passable. Got two young keepers. Midfield plays off and one. Get alot of scoring from the forwards.

Right now I'm having them train in short passes. Is this a good start or should I wait awhile and train in something else?

BTW, how long does it usually take the regular players(29 or younger) to progress up a notch?

[champmanager]

It took me a couple of seasons before I got serious about training. Passing is an exceptional case, and few do it, but when you get yourself some money (I know you were in debt), pick a position, buy some passable 17&18 year olds, and train them. I don't really like that idea, because your team becomes a kind of farm where your young players are constantly coming and going, but that seems to be the best way of doing things. I started off with defense a couple of seasons ago (a mixture of veterans and youths) and trained defense til I had the best defense in the league. Now I've been on scoring for a season and a half or more.
Playmaking seems to be the most common training regimen, which means it takes more seed money to purchase young inner midfielders. There's no reason not to keep a veteran or two to train, but after 21 or so, you cant expect a lot of improvement...or at least it will be rather slow.

[ArsenalTexan3]

Well the good news I'm almost oput of debt after selling one of my solid defenders starting at 97,000 and he went for 125,000.Plus I have a home game this week and a friendly which I'm sure will cut my estimated(after the transfer) $117,000 down in half.

I think I'm going to promote an outfielder each week and then try to get them up to passable and sell off some defenders as the weeks go on. I'm going to try using playmaking next week and then I'll switch back to defending and goaltending as training choices.

[champmanager]

Originally posted by ArsenalTexan3
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I think I'm going to promote an outfielder each week and then try to get them up to passable and sell off some defenders as the weeks go on. I'm going to try using playmaking next week and then I'll switch back to defending and goaltending as training choices.

I don't think you want to switch back and forth. The players REAL value (as opposed to their "assessed value) only goes up when someone goes up a full level. If you switch back and forth you'll have loads of players who are halfway or more to their next increase. It doesn't sound very romantic, but the best policy is to stick with one training regimen, buy youngsters who'll benefit from it, and then sell them when they turn 21 or so to get the cash to buy veterans at other positions. I hate it, but its the truth unfortunately.
And if you're in div5 in USA, I don't think you'd want to bother training youngsters who aren't at least inadequate in their primary skill. At my level (div4 in ENgland), I fire anyone who isn't at least passable.

[ArsenalTexan3]

Define their primary skill.

[champmanager]

Primary skill

Goalkeepers: Goalkeeping (duh)
Centerbacks: Defending
Wingbacks: Defending and Winger (don't ask me which is more important and how much so)
Inner Midfielders: Playmaking (stamina's very important too, and passing and defense have a role)
Wingers: Winger, then playmaking, with passing and defense playing a role.
Strikers: Scoring, with passing having a role.


By primary skill, I mean the first one in each list. That's the most important thing. If a player has high marks in his secondary skills, thats icing on the cake.

[mundial]

Primary skill is whatever they're best at.

champmanager, I think you're right, that the way to go has been to buy some youngsters, train them for a couple of seasons, and sell them when they hit 20. And I think it's a damn shame, because that's not the way things happen in real life. Which may be some of the theory behind the impending change in the importance of experience. Finally, as in real-life, it will be a real detriment to have a midfield made up entirely of teenagers...I think this will slightly combat the importance of training. Teams that would otherwise have two full slates of trainees at a particular position will really have to think hard before they bench (and sell) that 27-year-old veteran in order to make a quick buck by training a 17-year-old prospect - it could really hurt their performance in big matches.

What do y'all think?

[mundial]

I have a 20-yr-old forward that got injured and subbed out of Sunday's match. He won't play Wednesday. If I am training scoring and his status returns to "bruised but training" by Thursday night, will he receive training?

I assume that if he is still listed as "injured" that he will not.

Thanks,
Nick

[ArsenalTexan3]

Originally posted by mundial
I have a 20-yr-old forward that got injured and subbed out of Sunday's match. He won't play Wednesday. If I am training scoring and his status returns to "bruised but training" by Thursday night, will he receive training?

I assume that if he is still listed as "injured" that he will not.

No idea.

Won my league game 2-1 and the goal scores were two of my defenders, one who I promoted in the last few weeks.

[kopiteinkc]

Originally posted by ArsenalTexan3
No idea.

Won my league game 2-1 and the goal scores were two of my defenders, one who I promoted in the last few weeks.

I think I read somewhere that the goalscorers are rather random and don't really indicate much. Don't know how true that is.

I managed to win 1-0 away this week. The match report from my game was the briefest I have ever seen. No action took place in the first half at all. In the second my goal and that was it. Kind of odd really.

As for training, I trained my defenders last season and got upto solid for three of them. I have a couple of passables on the bench and sold a few others.

Now I am training playmaking and have 4 solids and a two passables, with two passable wingers.

Eventually I will need to work on some forwards but I plan to stay with my inner mids for at least another season.

I have tended to wait until my players are 25 or so before selling them and with this new experience change I might wait even longer.

Now to get my reserves ready for my "friendly" against ArsenalTexan :)

Not quite Liverpool v Arsenal, but close!!

[Darr]

Originally posted by mundial
I have a 20-yr-old forward that got injured and subbed out of Sunday's match. He won't play Wednesday. If I am training scoring and his status returns to "bruised but training" by Thursday night, will he receive training?

I assume that if he is still listed as "injured" that he will not.

Thanks,
Nick


As long as he is bruised but training by Thursday he'll get training...

[Elwood]

For training, the way that definitely appears to be 'best' is a rotation of players, and sticking with one skill for multiple seasons.

I've been training scoring since Oct '01, and how I did it was to start off with 6 17 yr old passable/solids. My goal was to have my top 2 scorers, at the beginning of each season, be, on average, 1 level higher each than the start of the prior season. This is relatively easy, as scoring goes up twice a season (barring injury, and having a solid coach). I would rotate backups to starters as I sold off the starters (usually sold one seasong beginning starter off by the end of the season, and maybe a 2nd, bumping the top 2 backups to starter roles).

The reason I go by only my top 2 is that when I move to another skill, I won't play with 3 forwards, so there's no need for more than 2 'starters' and a decent backup.

Odd thing was, few seasons back, I was aiming for promotion out of III. Because of this, non-trainee starters were more important than trainees, so I acquired a couple 17 yr old inadequates just to fill bottom training spots. One of those inadequates is now my #1 forward. Kept him around because he also has inadequate passing, and he looks to be a permanent member of my team. 2 more seasons (max) of training should see him get very, very close to titanic. My #2 guy is a "real" youth. 17 yr week 1 passable/week 2 solid (value hinted he would rise soon, and he did after 1 week - cheap, too!). The rest of my trainees are all, um, filler. Last season ALSO saw me invest more in starters than trainees (as it was my first in the US Major League). So filled in with more 17 yr inadequates.

Good thing is, late next season, I'll have 2 19 yr old outstanding/brilliants to sell, as well as a 19 yr magnificent. Hope that funds my training switch. 1.5 years of scoring (and 3-4-3) has gotten very dull, to be honest, but don't believe it when people say non 3-5-2 formations can't work and bring you success.

Indy Racing
US Major League

[ArsenalTexan3]

Originally posted by kopiteinkc
Now to get my reserves ready for my "friendly" against ArsenalTexan :)

Not quite Liverpool v Arsenal, but close!!

Or Dallas Vs KC. :) Should be good though.

[kopiteinkc]

Originally posted by ArsenalTexan3
Or Dallas Vs KC. :) Should be good though.

Close match so far :)