View Full Version : Are Bundesliga supporters free from racism?
Catfish
11 Jan 2004, 06:22 PM
Are there still some supporters of clubs that are still anti-jewish? I know the Holocaust was 60 years ago, but it is possible.
Which Bundesliga clubs and their fans have been most embracing of NON-German players, minorities, and non-German fans??? Just curious. You know there are always a few bad elements, but which ones in the top flight seem to jump out as very liberal or slightly racist?
Thanks.
St. Pauli http://www.fcstpauli.de/sp/gfx/_navi/b02.gif
luvdagame
11 Jan 2004, 07:01 PM
get outa there cory!!!!!
maybe it's a good thing they're not bundesliga anymore.
SmittyLax6
11 Jan 2004, 07:03 PM
Who cares????
Parkhead_Faithful
11 Jan 2004, 07:04 PM
Originally posted by Hannover96Girl
St. Pauli http://www.fcstpauli.de/sp/gfx/_navi/b02.gif
Our sister club :)
aloisius
12 Jan 2004, 10:31 AM
Probably the only club in the only club in the world with an openly gay president.
And they play Hell’s bells (AC/DC) as the players come on to the pitch. Can’t beat that.
Germanshepherd
12 Jan 2004, 10:35 AM
Originally posted by Catfish
Are there still some supporters of clubs that are still anti-jewish? I know the Holocaust was 60 years ago, but it is possible.
Shut the f..k up! What has the Third Reich to do with it anyway?
Go and play with your Kindergarten friends.
worldfootballgenius
12 Jan 2004, 07:23 PM
Major League Soccer has much more rcism issues than the bundesliga. The bundesliga is the league with the widest variety of ethnicity, germany is too. H=Germany hasn't been racist since 1945. I agree with germanshepherd. Shut the *#*#*#! UP!
brassmonkey
12 Jan 2004, 07:45 PM
Originally posted by Catfish
Are there still some supporters of clubs that are still anti-jewish? I know the Holocaust was 60 years ago, but it is possible.
Which Bundesliga clubs and their fans have been most embracing of NON-German players, minorities, and non-German fans??? Just curious. You know there are always a few bad elements, but which ones in the top flight seem to jump out as very liberal or slightly racist?
Thanks.
If we are talking anti semetism, I actually think the Bundesliga is better than most. The French is probably the worst. St. Pauli as mentioned, is a club followed by extremists, but they arent here anymore.
BTW, stop thrashin on the guy. Its a legitimate question. And to the man who said Germany hasnt been racist since 1945, you are a moron, and should be the posterchild for birth control. Racism is everywhere, and denying it only makes it worse.
worldfootballgenius
12 Jan 2004, 07:49 PM
Originally posted by brassmonkey
BTW, stop thrashin on the guy. Its a legitimate question. And to the man who said Germany hasnt been racist since 1945, you are a moron, and should be the posterchild for birth control. Racism is everywhere, and denying it only makes it worse.
Although i went over the top, I still feel that he should shut the f up
StrikerCW
12 Jan 2004, 07:58 PM
Not insuating anything, but a foreign exchange student from Germany told me there is some problem with Turks in Germany. Any info on that? Please don't jump on me or anything I'm just asking.
thanks
Parkhead_Faithful
12 Jan 2004, 08:05 PM
Originally posted by brassmonkey
If we are talking anti semetism, I actually think the Bundesliga is better than most. The French is probably the worst. St. Pauli as mentioned, is a club followed by extremists, but they arent here anymore.
And why should anyone listen to you when you see racism and anti-sematism where there is none except in your own sick head?
brassmonkey
12 Jan 2004, 08:22 PM
Originally posted by Parkhead_Faithful
And why should anyone listen to you when you see racism and anti-sematism where there is none except in your own sick head?
Your saying there isnt any racism or anti semetism? Yeah buddy, I'm the sick one :rolleyes: What about the synagogue in Berlin where vandals spray painted the phrase "6 million is not enough" all over the walls? I guess that isnt anti-semetic. The synagogue that was set on fire in France last year? You are delusional, and you need to take a reality check.
Parkhead_Faithful
12 Jan 2004, 08:32 PM
I wasnt talking about germany I was refering to comments you made in the past about Eyal Berkovic's treatment at the hands of celtic supporters which were utter lies.
You generalise and you lie so how can anyone trust your info?
brassmonkey
12 Jan 2004, 08:38 PM
Originally posted by Parkhead_Faithful
I wasnt talking about germany I was refering to comments you made in the past about Eyal Berkovic's treatment at the hands of celtic supporters which were utter lies.
You generalise and you lie so how can anyone trust your info?
How was I generalising? And Eyal Berkovic was called racist names. Those are not lies. You tell lies. You generalise all Rangers fans as racist, while saying all Celtic fans are wonderful people. You are simply a moron. You are an idiot. Nobody can take you seriously because you cant come up with a cohesive argument
Korean Football
12 Jan 2004, 09:50 PM
Many Korean footy fans associate the Bundesligan fans as very welcoming. That's mostly because of "Cha Boom" and how he was welcomed by the Bundesliga fans.
Because of him(and a couple other Korean players who've played in the Bundesliga who were all treated well by the local fans), the image of German fans to the eyes of the Korean fans are actually really good.
afgrijselijkheid
12 Jan 2004, 09:57 PM
bundesliga fans are definitely stern judges on a guy's performances, but are generally welcoming of players from abroad - perhaps the better question would be 'is any large group of people free from racism? probably not, but i've seen no elements to be concerned with at any german match site... of course i didn't make the leipzig derby :D
Parkhead_Faithful
12 Jan 2004, 10:06 PM
Originally posted by brassmonkey
How was I generalising?
You brand entire leagues and supporters of certain clubs as racist or anti-semites based on the actions of a few. and Eyal Berkovic was called racist names. Those are not lies.
Yes they are, because you dont have a single shred of proof to back these allegations up and you are the only person making these claims, where is youre evidence? How do you know? you have admitted never having been to glasgow to see rangers play so unless you followed celtic around for a season without telling anyone how do you know?
I was there son and I can tell you right now you are lying.
You tell lies. You generalise all Rangers fans as racist, while saying all Celtic fans are wonderful people.
Whole stands at Ibrox have been caught on film and on live radio broadcasts making monkey noises directed at black celtic players, Ive gave you the links hundreds of times and yet you still wont believe it,what does it take?
Whereas celtic supporters in the past seasons have travelled all over europe with no trouble and won recognition and an award from FIFA no less, not generalisation,not lies, FACT.
You are simply a moron. You are an idiot. Nobody can take you seriously because you cant come up with a cohesive argument
I Dont know I have made an arse of you enough times, come back to the scotland board where I will happily shoot you down repeatedly and make you look like a tit because this isnt the forum for discussing such matters.
SchalkeSupporter
22 Jan 2004, 10:24 AM
About racism/antisimitism in German stadium...I am sure there are still weirdos who believe in that *#*#*#*# (especially in Essen and East-Germany) but the large mijority stands up against it.
I can mainly just talk about us auf Schalke. We are a club with a lot of international players and we have lots of fanclubs in Holland and Belgium. If someone lifts the right arm at our ground, he will get knocked out by other fans, or the cops get him out and he gets a 5 year stadium ban.
But I can see that especially in Eastern Europe the racism grows and grows. Here a little example...I collect soccer scarves, so I surf a lot in the net and look for guestbooks of teams or fanclubs and ask for scarf trades. At 90% (!) of the fanclub sites of Eastern European teams (Russia, Czeck Republic, Poland,...) I could see Nazi symbols or salutes in the guestbooks...or the members were Skinheads. Maybe here at bigsoccer.com are people from those countries and can try to explain me if my impression is correct or not.
But in generell I think every nations and soccer teams has radical idiots...also in Israel...we try our best to ban is from Germany and we auf Schalke do our best to keep the ground clean...
ForeverStuttgart1893
22 Jan 2004, 09:30 PM
Schalke, you make it sound as if lots of Polish/eastern european clubs are racist. I'm from Poland(Krakow) so i take a bit of offense to that. Really, the only major clubs that are bad are GKS Katowice and Legia. Legia probably are the worst, but they arne't even that bad anymore. It's not like back in the 60's and 70's. Also, could you just be mad at Polish clubs for that beating Wisla gave you last year in the UEFA Cup?
jk