neil lennon withdraws!

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Originally posted by BrianCappellieri


Does the majority of your education on race and religion come from South Park?

what wrong with that?

btw you might want to read this it gives background stuff on celtic and other things

http://www.realmaroonfc.com/documents/feat_sectarianism_4.htm

[northern ireland fan]

"Well N.I couldn`t put one past Cyprus at home, serves those LVF shites well"

You are on very dangerous ground here Liverbird, what is your implication? That the N.I national team and the LVF are the same thing? It appears that way to me.

Get the facts right before you start to make sweeping generalisations. Lets imagine after a Republic of Ireland defeat I started gloating on this board that it "serves the IRA shites well". I would hope that I would be denounced as a bigot as this staement is obviously untrue and extremely sectarian, however you make this ridiculous and slanderlous statement and everybody just accepts it without comment?

What it says about the people on this board, that this comment draws no response, you can draw your own conclusions on?

P.S I don`t give a ************ about Rangers or Celtic, they can both rot in their own sectarian stew as far as i am concerned - the 'we are not as sectarian as you' then quote evidence followed by point scoring counter claim is very amusing.

what I`m concerned about is exposing/attacking people who wish to destroy football in N.I and make it sectarian to fit into their wee political agendas. Be these people in the LVF, hoax phonecallers, Irish republicans or sectarian bigots on either side.

For those of you in the dark to why the LVF and N.I fans aren`t the same, you can look at another thread I made on this board entitled 'Neil Lennon: the facts'

[Popero]

I'm fairly sure he was implying that members of the LVF who reside in N.I. would have liked N.I. to have done well in the match. By their stupidity, they helped to prevent this success.

[-cman-]

Okay, everyone needs to take a deep breath and remember two things.

1) There is a fine line between sarcasm and very inflammatory language. And in written form it is easy for many people to take things the wrong way.

2) Personal or sectarian attacks are verboten.

I am inclined to let this thread go on. I think it helps provide some people who aren't as well informed about the odd intermingling of politics, wealth, religion and football in Scotland and Ireland with some useful background. I also think it allows some of us with stronger feelings and links to the situation there a place to vent.

That said, it has to remain civil and rational. If it gets out of hand I will close and lock the thread. Anyone who gets outrageous and personal will end up seeing yellow. Edit: And in case anyone is wondering; yes in this case being stupid is grounds for a violation. So, if you don't have something useful to say, button your lip. If you don't know much about the situation, state your lack of knowledge, e.g."I don't know that much about it but it seems to me..." That way no one will take you for a complete wanker.

And yes, I am aware that I am holding you guys (and girls? yeah, right) to a higher standard. If you don't like it, TS.

P.S. Merged "Neil Lennon: The Facts" thread into this one. Good post NIFan.

Peace y'all.

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Originally posted by northern ireland fan
"Well N.I couldn`t put one past Cyprus at home, serves those LVF shites well"

You are on very dangerous ground here Liverbird, what is your implication? That the N.I national team and the LVF are the same thing? It appears that way to me.

Get the facts right before you start to make sweeping generalisations. Lets imagine after a Republic of Ireland defeat I started gloating on this board that it "serves the IRA shites well". I would hope that I would be denounced as a bigot as this staement is obviously untrue and extremely sectarian, however you make this ridiculous and slanderlous statement and everybody just accepts it without comment?

What it says about the people on this board, that this comment draws no response, you can draw your own conclusions on?

P.S I don`t give a ************ about Rangers or Celtic, they can both rot in their own sectarian stew as far as i am concerned - the 'we are not as sectarian as you' then quote evidence followed by point scoring counter claim is very amusing.

what I`m concerned about is exposing/attacking people who wish to destroy football in N.I and make it sectarian to fit into their wee political agendas. Be these people in the LVF, hoax phonecallers, Irish republicans or sectarian bigots on either side.

For those of you in the dark to why the LVF and N.I fans aren`t the same, you can look at another thread I made on this board entitled 'Neil Lennon: the facts'

fair point

[liverbird]

Originally posted by Popero
I'm fairly sure he was implying that members of the LVF who reside in N.I. would have liked N.I. to have done well in the match. By their stupidity, they helped to prevent this success.

I gave serious thought to leaving this alone but I couldn't. Popero caught my meaning if others didn't. I've got real strong opinions about politics, but my comment was intended only to imply that the kind of thugs (identified by the media and by whatever the RUC is called today as LVF) who issued the death threat must have considered themselves supporters of the NI team and thus got a payback when the team played poorly without him. It's a concept known as irony!

These people are ignorant, racist thugs who if not in Belfast would have no more political connotations than any other group of skinhead, national front louts. But as I pointed out before, people identifying themselves as LVF have claimed responsibility for the cold blooded murder of a young man in Belfast for wearing a Celtic shirt. I think we can all agree that those criminals are reprehensible. Just as are the criminals who murdered scores in Omagh. Now can we get back to simply being football fans and leave religion and politics out of it!

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Originally posted by liverbird


I gave serious thought to leaving this alone but I couldn't. Popero caught my meaning if others didn't. I've got real strong opinions about politics, but my comment was intended only to imply that the kind of thugs (identified by the media and by whatever the RUC is called today as LVF) who issued the death threat must have considered themselves supporters of the NI team and thus got a payback when the team played poorly without him. It's a concept known as irony!

These people are ignorant, racist thugs who if not in Belfast would have no more political connotations than any other group of skinhead, national front louts. But as I pointed out before, people identifying themselves as LVF have claimed responsibility for the cold blooded murder of a young man in Belfast for wearing a Celtic shirt. I think we can all agree that those criminals are reprehensible. Just as are the criminals who murdered scores in Omagh. Now can we get back to simply being football fans and leave religion and politics out of it!

I could sum it all up by saying the ira and the uvf and all the other terrorist groups are a**eholes.

back to football as you say.

[Parkhead_Faithful]

Originally posted by northern ireland fan
What it says about the people on this board, that this comment draws no response, you can draw your own conclusions on?

P.S I don`t give a ************ about Rangers or Celtic, they can both rot in their own sectarian stew as far as i am concerned - the 'we are not as sectarian as you' then quote evidence followed by point scoring counter claim is very amusing.



No offence but who are you to make comments on the type of people on this board?

[SpamIAm]

And, seriously, what about this claim that Americans in general and Irish-Americans in particular are influenced by Republican thought police?

Most people in the US couldn't name IRA leaders on a dare and are only vaguely familiar with the state of the troubles. Hell, most people can't name actual US Republicans, as in the GOP.

I will say that many people of Irish descent are sympathetic to the cause for obvious reasons but deplore the violence.

There is absolutely no broad awareness among the US public of Celtic, let alone the club's connection to Ireland or its marginal role as a symbol of sectarianism.

Stop basing geo-political opinions on a few die-hard soccer fans on the Internet.

[liverbird]

I guess I'll also need to make this additional point explicit --- I'm not so thick as to imply that all supporters of the NI team are members of the LVF or UVF. After all, there are many people in NI who are nationalist, republican, alliance, women's coalition, etc in their politics but who support the team as their own. The team has through the years been made up of players from all sides of the community. All I meant was that a small group of zealots and thugs seem to want to use threats and violence to derail the development of a normal democracy with no sectarian biases in NI. I was upset that it had carried over to a football match. In the end, if democracy flourishes the political issues will resolve themselves.

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there isnt any point using the names of the groups....uvf, lvf, ira, real ira etc... just use the word terrorists.

btw the causes have gotten lost in the violence all people want for now is peace but the terrorists collectively wont let them have it.

can this topic be deleted I have tried clicking edit and then deleting it like I can on other boards but it doesnt seem to let me. There isnt any point keeping it open its gone way off topic and ppl are talking about terrorist groups so theres nothing but rubbish being said. The only constructive thing to say is the terrorists can go fe** themselves, disarm and make peace in ireland for everyone.

am I insane by saying that? I don't think I am whats wrong with peace? I like it myself.

[Parkhead_Faithful]

Originally posted by ads_uk
The only constructive thing to say is the terrorists can go fe** themselves, disarm and make peace in ireland for everyone.


Jesus, I must be coming down with something!
I actually agree with ads on something :D

[Desigol]

I know this friendly happened almost 5 months ago. But I feel that I have to add my case.

First of all, I posted a UTV article about the Death Threat in a Canadian Soccer forum known as the Voyageurs board as I felt it was an important article and raises an issue that needs to be dealt with throughout the World. One guy replied that it's a wonder some people don't learn. I replied "Some people never learn". Then I was accused of being pro-republican by a poster called Canadian in Leipzig (a German city that used to be part of East Germany) and also 'Northern Ireland Fan' from this forum who also posted in a Northern Ireland fans forum called 'Our Wee Country' (see link below);

http://www.ourweecountry.co.uk/fansforum/viewthread.php?tid=360

Also, Northern Ireland Fan's profile states that he's a History Teacher. That's part of the problem. State Schools (which the Protestant Children attend) didn't teach Irish History, just British History. As a result many Protestants don't know their own culture. Whether or not it's because they're ahsmed of their past is another thing altogether.

Also, something that hasn't been mentioned before in this thread, Rangers players were booed at Lansdowne Road. That too is wrong. But I have to say launching an orange top, at a time when sectarian tensions in Northern Ireland are at boiling point, is extremely insensitive and provocative.

Also, it must be added, that the reason these Loyalist Paramilitaries succeed is because the Unionist Politicians are so worked up about Republicans that they're virtualy clueless on how to deal with Loyalists. Some Unionist Politicians even support Loyalists. Notorious DUP member William McCrea shared a platform with LVF head honcho Billy 'King Rat' Wright in Wirght's home town (Portadown). Also, many Loyalists claim that members of the RUC (now PSNI) colluded with them in the murders of various Catholics (inclding my Father).

On the positive side, when Northern Ireland played the Ukraine in October the fans only sang "Northern Ireland, Northern Ireland, We'll support you evermore, We'll support you evermore.", and "Ulster" (Even though 3 Ulster Counties are in the Republic). Not once was either 'The Sash' or 'The Billy Boys' sung. Unlike the Germany game in 1999.

That's my two cents. Hope it's appreciated.

[-cman-]

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