Can a USA born Mexican play in the Mexican National Team?

[Locoloco]

First, thank you for being back in bigsoccer. Yeah, I was Chicoloco, but i was red carded and my account was closed. I will behave this time. I asked a Mexican friend of mine this question, but he was not sure about the right answer. Can someone tell me if a Mexican Born like Ochoa and other could play for the Mexican National team without being a Mexican citizen?. Can they play like native in the MFL?. I want to deepen my knowledge of Mexican futbol. Do Mexican have doble citizenship with USA born Mexican also known as Chicanos or Mexicanamericans?

[efernandez9]

yes

[sidspaceman]

How funny Miloco goes away and now your back. I give you less than a month until you get back to trolling.

[efernandez9]

do not worry

all people here knows that no trolls are allowed


3iron fistMOds will take care of that

[LMvCP]

Originally posted by efernandez9
yes

If a Mexican is working abroad (USA, China, etc) with a company (which indicates all proper and valid paper permits) bears an offspring in a foreign land, then the Mexican Consulate can catergorize the offspring as a Mexican Citizen as well as an American or X citizen. The Mexican government does allow dual citizenship. i have it understood that at one point they didn't. I am not an Immigrational guru, I am just going on personal experiences such as mine.

BUT, without the proper paperwork it gets a little more complicated.

The offspring is considered an American citizen, but since the parents dont have proper Visas..then the Mexican Consulate cant go ahead with the procedure since the parents dont have the proper paperwork. SO the kid is just an American or X citizen and not a Mexican citizen.

I know a couple people that want to acquire thier parent's native citizenship, but cant for that same reason. I dont know the exact law, but when i have had numerous people tell me that.. it puts things in order

I know from my international business law class.. that in theory.. an embassy/consulate are there to promote working relations and to better serve the citizens of thier country that live and work LEGALLY in the host country. A Mexican that works in the US legally via a Mexican Corp still pays taxes to the Mexican government therefore his tax dollars help pay for the Mexican embassys in the US/abroad and has full access to its services. An illegal does not pay taxes to the Mexican government so therefore they dont have all the benefits so to speak. But just like in everything.. there are loopholes...if you can find one... your are in luck

But to answer your question.... Is he does not have a mexican citizenship.... He is not an Mexican according to the Mexican govrnemnt. It doesnt matter how well he speaks spanish or how well he knows our history etc etc. The Mexican government however does encourage all of its citizens abroad and ex pats to file their for children's citizenship or their own citizenship.

My uncle has Mexican, US, and Spanish citizenship. He worked in Spain for 20+ years and married a spaniard. They have lived here in the US now for almost 10 years. she is in the process of getting her US citizenship. She already has her Mexican citizenship.

[chaski]

Under FIFA rules, a player has to be a citizen of a country to play for that country's team.
But each country has its own laws regarding who is a citizen.

[grumpdogg]

Originally posted by chaski
Under FIFA rules, a player has to be a citizen of a country to play for that country's team.
But each country has its own laws regarding who is a citizen.

This is not entirely true. A player can be "grandfathered" into the national team if his parents or grandparents have citizenship in that country. This is how Tom Dooley was allowed to play with the Nats and Earnie Stewart as well I believe.

[Anthony]

Originally posted by grumpdogg


This is not entirely true. A player can be "grandfathered" into the national team if his parents or grandparents have citizenship in that country. This is how Tom Dooley was allowed to play with the Nats and Earnie Stewart as well I believe.

But that's because Tom Dooley and Earnie Stewart are both US citizens.

Stewart's dad was a CMSG in the USAF.

Dooley's dad was also military.

Under US law, if your parents were US citizens, you are too, unless you do something to lose your citizenship.

[scoonie45]

Quite frankily, everyone is a little right. There are tons of loopholes in the international rules that allow people to play for countries other than their own. Consider Owen Hargreaves, who had a choice of four countries for which to play (Canada, England, Germany, Whales). I don't even know why he was available for Germany and Whales. He was born in Canada and his father was and English citizen, hence the first two options. The U.S. team this year was chock full of foreign players. Claudio Reyna and Pablo Mastroeni were both born in Argentina but came here very young. Carlos Llamosa only recently got his citizenship. Ditto David Regis. However, Earnie Stewart is a DUTCH CITIZEN, but his father was an American serviceman. Try as I might, I couldn't find the official FIFA rules online, but I hope this will help.

[grumpdogg]

Originally posted by Anthony


But that's because Tom Dooley and Earnie Stewart are both US citizens.

Stewart's dad was a CMSG in the USAF.

Dooley's dad was also military.

Under US law, if your parents were US citizens, you are too, unless you do something to lose your citizenship.

In those cases you are not automatically an American citizen. In those situations you must still claim your American citizenship first. But even then, FIFA doesn ont require a player to be a true citizen of the country he represents, but he must have direct lineage from grandparents or parents to that nation.

[chaski]

FIFA Regulations for WC2002
Article 21(a) "all the players shall be citizens of its country and subject to its jurisdiction"
http://us.ent4.yimg.com/fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/releases/wc2002-E.pdf

The FIFA rule is simple. The "loopholes" are in various countries' rules for who is a citizen.

Every player in the US team is a US citizen.
Stewart is a US citizen (because his father is a US citizen) and a Dutch citizen.

[Anthony]

Originally posted by scoonie45
Quite frankily, everyone is a little right. There are tons of loopholes in the international rules that allow people to play for countries other than their own. Consider Owen Hargreaves, who had a choice of four countries for which to play (Canada, England, Germany, Whales). I don't even know why he was available for Germany and Whales. He was born in Canada and his father was and English citizen, hence the first two options. The U.S. team this year was chock full of foreign players. Claudio Reyna and Pablo Mastroeni were both born in Argentina but came here very young. Carlos Llamosa only recently got his citizenship. Ditto David Regis. However, Earnie Stewart is a DUTCH CITIZEN, but his father was an American serviceman. Try as I might, I couldn't find the official FIFA rules online, but I hope this will help.

Owen Hargraves parents are UK citizens. There are all sorts of rules about who can play for the home countries (since they are all UK citizens) that I do not pretend to understand. He was born in Canada. So he is a dual UK-Canadian citizen. As for Germany, he lived in Germany long enough to request citizenship, but he never was eligible to play, as he was not a German citizen.

Claudio Reyna was born on July 20, 1973, in Livingston, New Jersey. From USSoccerplayers.com. The son of an Argentinean father and Portuguese mother, Reyna lived in Argentina for a short time as a child.


Pablo Mastroeni was born in Argentina but has lived in the US since he was 4. Not exactly a "foreigner."

Carlos Llamosa came to the US as an adult and became a US citizen in 1998-99.

Earnie Stewart is a US citizen. His father was US military, his mother Dutch. So he probably has dual citizenship. (IIRC, Stewart also lived for sometime in the Far east and in the US, at various postings).

[tcmahoney]

Seems to me that the Mexican women have had players named Laurie (?) Hill and Martha Moore on their team -- American born and raised, but thanks to Mexican parents and/or grandparents, they're able to play international soccer for Mexico.

'Course, you might want to consult Jack Charlton for the lowdown on FIFA rules, because he was a master at finding players in England for his Ireland team using the parent/grandparent rules. The story I've heard is that one "Irish" player, standing on the pitch listening to the national anthems before getting his first cap, leaned over to the next guy and said "This anthem's a bit longish."

The response? "Shut up, this one's ours."

[fidlerre]

Originally posted by scoonie45
The U.S. team this year was chock full of foreign players. Claudio Reyna and Pablo Mastroeni were both born in Argentina but came here very young.

incorrect.

claudio was born in the united states and moved to argentina with his father (who is argentinean) for a small time as a youth...

pablo was born in argentina and moved to the united states at the age of 4. obtained u.s. citizenship in late winter of 2001.

Carlos Llamosa only recently got his citizenship.

incorrect.

became a u.s. citizen in 1998, moved to the states in 1991. i wouldnt say 1998 is recent...


Ditto David Regis.

in the spring of 1998 was granted citizenship via being married to am american woman he met in france while she was studying abroad...

However, Earnie Stewart is a DUTCH CITIZEN, but his father was an American serviceman.

earnie is an u.s. citizen via his father, he holds duel citizenship. his father is a u.s. citizen and his mother was a dutch citizen. his father was employeed as a civilian contractor at an air base in the netherlands except for ages 2-7 when they lived in california.

[flanoverseas]

we're not like the French team, none of whom are even French

[sidspaceman]

Your just kidding with that statment about the French team right?

[HeretiC]

Originally posted by flanoverseas
we're not like the French team, none of whom are even French

You wouldn't happen to be Jean-Marie Le Pen would you?

[quarterUltra]

Funny none of you have mentioned the makeup of the Mexican Women's National Team. Not only were the majority born Stateside, but they also played soccer in US colleges. They actually have a choice of country to represent, but may not have made the cut to be a US'ian. Hence the dominance of the USA Women's National Team.

Oh, wait a minute, women south of Rio Grande aren't supposed to play sports . . .

[sidspaceman]

I guess you didn't read tcmahoney post did you.

[Monkeyboy2000]

Originally posted by rdl674

The Mexican government does allow dual citizenship. i have it understood that at one point they didn't. I am not an Immigrational guru, I am just going on personal experiences such as mine.


Hey RDL, just to fill in some blanks here - basically Mexicans who were naturalized as US citizens before March of 1998 lost their Mexican nationality. However those folks have until March of 2003 to apply to regain their Mexican nationality. Any Mexican who became a US citizen after March of 1998 does not lose their Mexican citizenship.