DeRo Paranoia

[Roc Le Roc]

Sweet Jesus, what's wrong with you people?

The man is signed! He's coming. I can't believe all the garbage I'm reading on this board, and the RPB board, regarding the "difficulty" with the DeRo "contract negotiations". Does anybody actually know what they're talking about?

At this point he is signed and is coming here. I hate the idea that people are actually going to start worrying about how much he counts against the cap (he's not even the DP!), or how much allocation money is spent, or contract negotiation rumors. For God's sake....we have DeRo. Be happy about the team, just for a change of pace.

[mikenike]

Good lord.

Don't think about anything, be happy.

This is a salary-cap league. LAG showed last year that two big contracts (three before they offloaded crap onto us) is not a recipe for success.

We care about the team, want it to succeed and think about whether it is on the path to get there - this is a discussion group not a pep rally.

There is a really good post on the 24th minute explaining what is happening right now (http://24thminute.blogspot.com/2009/01/your-morning-cup-of-dero.html). He IS signed, but the team want him to be happy (he wants a raise). He WILL re-sign, but they are discussion how they go about doing that.

The sky isn't falling, but they haven't had a press conference with him yet - both things are true and we are allowed to talk about both of them.

[T-boy]

What's this? A new thread posted by Roc about a topic that he said he's not going to post about again?!

[#1TFC]

I was reading Davis's article about MLS teams and winter planning which is dated today. I copied a comment he made about our TFC. The ""De Ro" may yet land in Europe comment was interesting as like Roc I had him sewn up for our squad.:confused:

"The other shoe that needs to fall here is Dwayne De Rosario, and for more than one reason. "De Ro" may yet land in Europe instead of settling into soccer life in his hometown. And if he stays, where will he play? At attacking midfield, where he was so successful in Houston? If he's there, what of playmaker Amado Guevara? Or will De Rosario line up as that second striker, in front of Guevara?"

http://www.mlsnet.com/news/mls_news.jsp?ymd=20090107&content_id=210975&vkey=news_mls&fext=.jsp

[Roc Le Roc]

What's this? A new thread posted by Roc about a topic that he said he's not going to post about again?!


This thread is not discussing the ridiculous idea that he's going to Europe or is going to be traded. This thread is about people's reaction to an unsubstantiated blog. It's shameless self-promotion by SweetOwnGoal and it has unbelievably got people to question DeRo's worth to the team....despite the fact that we already know what he will count against the cap. The origional joy of having DeRo is replaced by cynacism and doubt. I can see him being ripped if he doesn't show up with a band of golden angels trailing behind him.

I actually read somebody on the RPB board (as they are discusing the same blog) say DeRo can "F$CK OFF" if he's "going to be that kind of player". People saying DeRo is trying to get too much money, people questioning his character, saying he thinks he can hold us for ransom because he's the hometown hero....it's sickening. What kind of supporters are these?

The truth is nobody should know what goes on while people are negotiating contracts. Honestly...I'm not the eavesdropping type. Until things are done who the hell cares? Speculating on half truths and judging people on second hand? third hand? (Hell, who knows where any of this info comes from) info, while assuming the worst (as people around here like to do) is paranoia at it's finest.


Good to see you've got nothing to say as usual, T-boy.

[smenge]

This thread is not discussing the ridiculous idea that he's going to Europe or is going to be traded. This thread is about people's reaction to an unsubstantiated blog. It's shameless self-promotion by SweetOwnGoal and it has unbelievably got people to question DeRo's worth to the team....despite the fact that we already know what he will count against the cap. The origional joy of having DeRo is replaced by cynacism and doubt. I can see him being ripped if he doesn't show up with a band of golden angels trailing behind him.

I actually read somebody on the RPB board (as they are discusing the same blog) say DeRo can "F$CK OFF" if he's "going to be that kind of player". People saying DeRo is trying to get too much money, people questioning his character, saying he thinks he can hold us for ransom because he's the hometown hero....it's sickening. What kind of supporters are these?

The truth is nobody should know what goes on while people are negotiating contracts. Honestly...I'm not the eavesdropping type. Until things are done who the hell cares? Speculating on half truths and judging people on second hand? third hand? (Hell, who knows where any of this info comes from) info, while assuming the worst (as people around here like to do) is paranoia at it's finest.


Good to see you've got nothing to say as usual, T-boy.

What I find very amusing, is that Edu leaves for Europe, and many here, including yourself, have stated he is not as good a player as DeRo. Altidore, Adu, and Parkhurst, and many others have left, and I suppose, they too, were not as good as DeRo. So that leaves the question, why not Dero? If he is the second coming, why shouldn't he try to secure a much better paying job in Europe, now that he has a window of opportunity? If he is the player you say he is, than you should be wondering yourself why he plays for a second rate league such as MLS, when he could move on? I suppose that confuses you a little, so I will make it easier for you to understand (knowing how much you like to rip apart everybody's argument): If he is good, why is he in MLS?

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[SweetOwnGoal]

This thread is not discussing the ridiculous idea that he's going to Europe or is going to be traded. This thread is about people's reaction to an unsubstantiated blog. It's shameless self-promotion by SweetOwnGoal and it has unbelievably got people to question DeRo's worth to the team....despite the fact that we already know what he will count against the cap. The origional joy of having DeRo is replaced by cynacism and doubt. I can see him being ripped if he doesn't show up with a band of golden angels trailing behind him.

I actually read somebody on the RPB board (as they are discusing the same blog) say DeRo can "F$CK OFF" if he's "going to be that kind of player". People saying DeRo is trying to get too much money, people questioning his character, saying he thinks he can hold us for ransom because he's the hometown hero....it's sickening. What kind of supporters are these?

The truth is nobody should know what goes on while people are negotiating contracts. Honestly...I'm not the eavesdropping type. Until things are done who the hell cares? Speculating on half truths and judging people on second hand? third hand? (Hell, who knows where any of this info comes from) info, while assuming the worst (as people around here like to do) is paranoia at it's finest.


Good to see you've got nothing to say as usual, T-boy.

Don't eat yellow snow.

[T-boy]

Good to see you've got nothing to say as usual, T-boy.

I love you! :D

[Johnny TFC]

I'm going to have to agree with Rock here in the fact that many of us, including me, tend to lean towards the negative. So on that note, I'm going to let you all in on what I KNOW (really, I don't) is happening:

When DeRo heard he was traded to Toronto, he was elated. Couldn't believe he was getting a chance to ply his trade in front of thousands of supporters in his hometown. He never in his wildest dreams growing up thought this could happen. Now that it has, he wants to make sure it is a complete success. He is re-working his contract to ensure he gets quality support (Serioux et. al.). And he is waiting on making the splashy press conference we are all dying for so he can be introduced with two or three other new signings because he realizes soccer is a team game and not just about one player. And while we wait, his is filling his bank account with new endorsement deals with Adidas, Carlsberg, Pizza Pizza, and Scarborough Town Ford to make up for what could be perceived as getting less than he is worth with TFC (yes he could get DP money but he has seen himself that doesn't neccessarily help MLS teams to the top).

Way to go DeRo!! Glad to have you!

[Roc Le Roc]

I love you! :D

Now you've said too much.

[smenge]

Now you've said too much.

An independent thought is too much for you roc.

[Roc Le Roc]

What I find very amusing, is that Edu leaves for Europe, and many here, including yourself, have stated he is not as good a player as DeRo. Altidore, Adu, and Parkhurst, and many others have left, and I suppose, they too, were not as good as DeRo. So that leaves the question, why not Dero? If he is the second coming, why shouldn't he try to secure a much better paying job in Europe, now that he has a window of opportunity? If he is the player you say he is, than you should be wondering yourself why he plays for a second rate league such as MLS, when he could move on? I suppose that confuses you a little, so I will make it easier for you to understand (knowing how much you like to rip apart everybody's argument): If he is good, why is he in MLS?


If you don't see DeRo and see a talented player I don't know what to tell you. I'm not sure if I ever called him "the second coming", but if you couldn't make a point without hyperbole you wouldn't have much to say, would you?

I would say there are a few reasons why DeRo never went to Europe...but I don't know the guy personally, so, it's all just speculation. I can say that to some people life isn't only about money. Maybe DeRo has enjoyed his career in the second rate league (as you so love to remind everyone). Maybe he's okay with making a few million (by the time his career is over), winning some championships and being an important part of something instead of just another guy. Maybe he doesn't feel like competeing to come off the bench on a middle of the pack team at age 30......who the hell knows? Why does it matter? What's more logical your wild speculation or the fact that he is under contract to play for Toronto FC next year?

[Roc Le Roc]

An independent thought is too much for you roc.

Yikes. Get a sense of humor, for cryin' out loud.

[Roc Le Roc]

Don't eat yellow snow.

Huh?

[smenge]

Roc, why do you find it necessary to always tell people here what to say, what to think, what to believe, and what to like, or dislike? Are you, lets say, a controlling kind of person? You know, one who hates it when others dominate a conversation? Do you hate it when you are a passenger in a car? Ever have fear of flying moments? You should learn that in any debate, whether it is on a serious note, or just some useless timewasting stuff we find in BS, you should always focus on the issue, and not the personality. The trully strange thing here, is that none of us know each other, so your constant beligerent nastiness, is just viewed by most, as being very amusing....you , I bet , are an easy guy to get riled, so I never cross the line with you, I know it would hurt too much.

For the sake of argument. What if DeRo's agent finds him a job in Serie A, in one of the lower clubs? Do you think he would play for TFC? But, this argument is getting stale, what else is new? Eh

[Roc Le Roc]

Roc, why do you find it necessary to always tell people here what to say, what to think, what to believe, and what to like, or dislike? Are you, lets say, a controlling kind of person? You know, one who hates it when others dominate a conversation? Do you hate it when you are a passenger in a car? Ever have fear of flying moments? You should learn that in any debate, whether it is on a serious note, or just some useless timewasting stuff we find in BS, you should always focus on the issue, and not the personality. The trully strange thing here, is that none of us know each other, so your constant beligerent nastiness, is just viewed by most, as being very amusing....you , I bet , are an easy guy to get riled, so I never cross the line with you, I know it would hurt too much.

For the sake of argument. What if DeRo's agent finds him a job in Serie A, in one of the lower clubs? Do you think he would play for TFC? But, this argument is getting stale, what else is new? Eh


That first paragraph is just a little too strange. You seem as though your feelings are hurt or something. My advice to you would be don't dish it out if you can't take it.

The second paragraph is you in a nutshell..."For sake of argument". I don't mind debate, but always debating "If's" gets old. This is nothing new for me. I have always been for factual debate rather than hypothetical debate.

None of this has anything to do with the crazy amount of negativity a lack of press conference has created, or how one blogger looking to get noticed can make people question DeRo's worth and character.

[busbyboy74]

That first paragraph is just a little too strange. You seem as though your feelings are hurt or something. My advice to you would be don't dish it out if you can't take it.

The second paragraph is you in a nutshell..."For sake of argument". I don't mind debate, but always debating "If's" gets old. This is nothing new for me. I have always been for factual debate rather than hypothetical debate.

None of this has anything to do with the crazy amount of negativity a lack of press conference has created, or how one blogger looking to get noticed can make people question DeRo's worth and character.

Children, Children, can we not all get along?

DERO is a very decent player and suits the MLS. He has dominated the league for several years and is now too old to be picked up by a team in Europe. This whole what if a Serie A team comes a calling is pointless....DERO is never going to play in Europe.

Some players (land cakes) would rather be a big fish in a small pond than a small fish in a large pond!!

Smenge, anyone that loves this game realizes the product we are watching is inferior to many European leagues. Having said that it is a young league with some potential and it allows me for a few hours a week in the summer almost feel like I am back in Europe. So please sit back get yourself a beer and enjoy a few hours of decent footy!

[mikenike]

Some players (land cakes) would rather be a big fish in a small pond than a small fish in a large pond!!


Landy is now on yet another "hire me" tour of Germany.

[SweetOwnGoal]

Huh?

I made an absurd statement to illustrate how pointless it is to respond to your comments. Do you understand now?