NY Knicks Trade Speculation

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The Knicks are now the number one source of amusing NBA speculation.

The Knicks managed to move Clarence Weatherspoon. Can they move Howard Eisely or Shandon Anderson?

According to ESPN's Chris Ford, Antonio McDyess is the main trade bait.

[skipshady]

I understand why McDyess would be a good trade bait since his contract expires in June and he could provide a short term solution for a team that needs a low post option (yes, I'm looking in your general direction Dallas).
But the Knicks would be better off holding on to him and let his contract come off the books imho. I don't see too many teams giving up anything of value for him.

Now, if they packaged McDyess with Kurt Thomas, would Dallas give up, Antawn Jamison, who would be an immediate upgrade at either forward position? But I'm just throwing names out there.

[Metros Striker10]

That does sound like a good trade. But I'm not a big fan of trading Kurt Thomas. I know he is the most tradeable player, but he's too valueable to the Knicks, especially now since he plays the 4.

The Knicks are in a tough situation. Deke is playing very well (he's there because of his ability to block shots which is something he has been doing well). Thomas is playing well even though he's kinda injured. KVH is getting his shot back. H20 has been great when healthy. And Frank Williams looks like the Knicks future, for now at least. On the bench, Ward and Anderson have to stay. Eisley or Norris have to be traded.

They could probably trade Eisley and maybe Othella for a decent back-up SG which is what the Knicks really need...a boost off the bench. The Knicks have done a great job this season starting the game extremely well, but after that, they fall apart because they have no depth.

[skipshady]

Holy crap. (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=531&e=1&u=/ap/20040105/ap_on_sp_ba_ne/bkn_suns_knicks_trade) I didn't see this one coming.

[TheSlipperyOne]

Originally posted by skipshady
Holy crap. (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=531&e=1&u=/ap/20040105/ap_on_sp_ba_ne/bkn_suns_knicks_trade) I didn't see this one coming.

ESPN.com says it's official pending league approval.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1700818

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That (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1700818) made my jaw drop. Well, that solves the issue of which Knicks point guard starts.

Initial observation: Antonio McDyess was the trade bait, and Howard Eisley was moved. And which former Nets player is going to be the next big acquisition?

[skipshady]

Derrick Coleman? Yinka Dare?

Well, Isiah is nothing if not fearless. I assume Moochie, Othella and K. Thomas are still on the block.

[RuffRyder]

Well teh Knick just got Penny and Marbury Tsbarkba for McDyess, Eisley, Lampe and some other scrubs

[jamison]

Yeah, I clicked on espn to link over to soccernet and went holy crap.

It's a good deal on the surface, though I wanted to keep Lampe and this puts us right back in the hole on the salary cap; I too wanted to let McDyess go after the season and get the cap space back. It is possible though that with Houston's contract we're never going to be that far under the cap anyway, so Isiah figured he might as well work with what he's got. My main worry is that Marbury is a bit of a kid when it comes to off the court antics, and I fear for what happens when he gets back into the limelight 4 miles west of where he grew up.

Milos Vrjanic was never going to play in NY, for reasons known only to him though it may be possible he's making more money in Europe than he thinks he could make here. So he's a non-factor. Lampe doesn't get off the bench for reasons known only to Cheney, and I guess with Van Horn we already have one really tall jump shooting white guy, surely no winning team has had two of those guys since the mid 60s. Plus we got a tall european white guy with an equally impossible name to spell back in the deal, so we're even on that front.

Too bad we aren't getting Penny Hardaway circa 1994 or so, he used to be an amazing player.

Ward was clearly past it and needed to take his bible pounding bench sitting routine out of town.

Eisley was crap, and overpaid. Getting rid of him, like Weatherspoon, can only be good.

I wonder if we could package Kurt Thomas and Shandon Anderson for something. Giving up two first round picks seems like a lot to me, maybe we can get one back somehow.

We can't, however, trade Moochie Norris. A name that goofy just deserves to stay around. Just kidding, he's crap, send him packing.

And what is the deal with Sweetney? Does this deal mean he finally gets off the bench before season end?

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Talent-wise, in the hindsight, this may be considered a trade of Stephon Marbury for Maciej Lampe and Milos Vujanic (if he ever comes over).

- How will Marbury react to reunited with Keith Van Horn, especially after playing a few games?

- What will the Knicks guard rotation be like? Is Penny Hardaway the first guard off the bench?

[otterulz]

I think this is a deal that couldn't have been passed up. Knicks get rid of Ward who I still remember from the 94 draft. They also get rid of Eisley who is awful. They also got rid of McDyess who, who unfortunately was injured a whole year, but never did much. The Knicks have their first true point guard since Derek Harper. I know the Knicks are further over the cap now, but I really think that this was a deal you couldn't pass on. Like Skip said, I guess Moochie being the third PG, Othella, and Thomas are still on the block. Regardless of how the team ends up playing, I'm pretty sure Knicks tickets will be a tad harder to get know. Hopefully I can still get tickets for Saturday's game against the Bucks. Islanders/Rangers, then Knicks/Bucks all in one day? Don't mind if I do!

[Thomas A Fina]

Wow. Just wow. When I first heard this, I thought it wasa horrible move consigning the Knicks to more years of salary cap hell.

First off, Moochie stays. Especially if he grows that hair back. You need one character on the team that the fans can call for at the end of games (a la Herb Williams)

so -
PG : Stephon Marbury, Frank Williams.
SG : Allan Houston, Penny Hardaway

The Knicks instantly have one of the best backcourts in the game. Plus they have some depth as Frankie has been developing nicely and while Penny's best days are beind him, he can still shoot the rock (40% from three) and gives the Knicks the back-up they've been dying for from the beginning of the year.

SF : Keith Van Horn, Shandon Anderson - A definite weak spot. Van Horn will get fewer touches, and more moody...I think he's the next to go in the purge. Shandon sucks. End of story

PF : Kurt Thomas, Michael Sweetney - The same (although I'm unconvinced that MS will ever be a decent NBA pro)

C : Deke, Doleac - By far the weakest position. I'm waiting for Deke's knees to go, and the NBA states only one white doofus per team, so either Doleac or that Polish Triblyazk dude must go. ;)





SF

[jamison]

Thomas,

Another way to look at our SG is that we now have two good outside shooters with bad knees. If they are both healty we have a great backcourt. If they are both injured, we're done for, but it's not like everyone else is three deep there either, so we'll live.

There is further speculation that Keith Van Horn could go to Portland for Rasheed Wallace, who is a free agent at the end of the year. So, if we pull off that deal we have a decent PF, though we're over the limit on number of headcases with him and Marbury. But if we get Wallace and let him go then we have a lot of cap relief by getting out from under Van Horn's contract, which is a joke as well.

Word is there is still dealing to be done, so don't go out and buy any replica jerseys yet. There is also talk that we could do a sign a trade with LA after this season to send them Marbury and get Kobe Bryant back, who may want out of the shadow of LA and Shaq. Not sure if that is just sportswriters making stuff up or not, but anyway.

[appoo]

while I may not have shown it much around here, I've been a Knick fan my entire life.

But I love this trade if we can get rid of Shandon Anderson and Kurt Thomas. I think Mike Sweetney will be a better pro. But I was REALLY hoping we had a first round draft pick this year so we could get a true SF. your SF should be your most versatile player on the court, a guy who could play with his back to the basket, a guy who can slash, and a guy with some shooting ability, and a guy who is athletic enough to defend. Oh say Luol Deng of Duke. If we can somehow package Kurt Thomas, Keith Van Horn, and X into a 1st round draft choice and some useless Max Contract player I'd be happy.

Jamison- If we get Kobe, we have to move Allen Houston. And he's pretty much unmovable with his contract. Kobe ain't coming here.

[TheSlipperyOne]

Originally posted by jamison
There is also talk that we could do a sign a trade with LA after this season to send them Marbury and get Kobe Bryant back, who may want out of the shadow of LA and Shaq. Not sure if that is just sportswriters making stuff up or not, but anyway.

I'd say it's sportswriters making stuff up.

Marc Stein said in his chat yesterday he talked with the Lakers GM and there is no way they will do a sign and trade with Kobe this summer.

[Metros Striker10]

Funny that now the Knicks are now popular on this board. But before this trade everyone was complaining about how much they suck and that they won't ever be Knicks fans again due to poor management. Now that Zeke, who many people said I was wrong in believeing he'd bring in a star player like J. O'Neal, people are fans again. :rolleyes:

Yeah, this trade is great. They now have the last piece of the pie that will make them one of the better teams in the league.

Mutumbo
Thomas
Van Horn
Houston
Marbury

Bench:
Doleac
Harrington
Anderson
Hardaway
Williams

That is without a doubt a great team.

And Thomas can't leave. R. Wallace would be great, but not with Marbury on the team. They'd have to get along with same way they do in LA.

[skipshady]

Originally posted by Metros Striker10
Now that Zeke, who many people said I was wrong in believeing he'd bring in a star player like J. O'Neal, people are fans again. :rolleyes:You are guilty of either extremely selective memory or extremely poor reading comprehension.

We specifically mocked your Ward/Thomas for J. O'Neal proposal. In fact, what this trade proves is that you have to give up waaaaay more than Ward/Thomas (i.e. the future) to get an All-Star. This is a great trade for the Knicks, no doubt, but it also comes at a huge price.
(and I should reiterate that while Kurt Thomas is a fine player and the Knicks should be proud to have him, he is vastly overrated by the NY media)

[Metros Striker10]

Yeah, averaging nearly a double double every night while being injured and playing on a team with Houston and KVH isn't too good...right..

I agree that they gave away some of their future. But when you consider that Starbury is only 26, and 6 years worth of experience as a pro, you do think twice. It also appears that this year's draft may not be as strong as this years. Plus, their second draft pick they gave up is condiditional or whatever, so it's like those allocations that MLS has that really aren't that great. Thomas started complaining about Lampe soon after he joined the Knicks, so there's some reasoning behind that. You also have to remember that the Knicks also have Mike Sweetney who has been favored over Lampe all season long.

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Originally posted by Metros Striker10
Funny that now the Knicks are now popular on this board. But before this trade everyone was complaining about how much they suck and that they won't ever be Knicks fans again due to poor management. Now that Zeke, who many people said I was wrong in believeing he'd bring in a star player like J. O'Neal, people are fans again. :rolleyes:
Whoa whoa whoa. I hope you're not saying I'm jumping on the bandwagon, because I vowed never to be a Knick fan until they fired Scott Layden. In fact, I was so disgusted by it, that I stopped following basketball completely. I haven't watched an NBA game for 3 years till 2 weeks ago. And everytime I checked the NBA socres for nostalgia sake, I kept hoping the Knicks lost just so my dream of Layden getting the boot would be realized. Now that they have, I've been a Knick fan again for the past 2 weeks, before all these trades. I was prepared to root for 'Spoon every night, claim Frank Williams to be the Knicks PG of the future, and keep making fun of Howard Eisley and how much he sucks. I still remember the Knicks of '94 and could probably name you most of the lineup including jersey number. Hell, I could name you every opponent in each round of the playoffs and which number game they won and lost. It's coming back to me, albeit slowly. But the passion never left, otherwise I couldn't care less about what Isiah has done so far. So please, PLEASE do not refer to me as a front runner.

[Metros Striker10]

I'm not saying your a bandwagon fan. And yeah, it's not like there was much to gain with being a Knick fan during the past couple of years. I stayed a Knick fan even when Layden was the GM. I just think it's ironic that before the season everyone said they'd continue to be a bad team like they have "always" been. That they would never get out of the cap mess that they're in unless they tanked the next 5 seasons. That's just dumb, because what have the Hawks gained by doing this? Nothing. The media has never given them a chance to get anywhere. Now they have a "chance" because of Starbury. I agree, but this team always had potential even without him. Look at tonight, same old same old.