PRESIDENTE Y ECONOMIAS - en suramerica.

[Guayaquileño]

Costa Rica is a nice country..small but very nice. I was in San Jose in my flight stop coming here to Ecuador for my vacation.... pretty girls as well.

[Caturro]

A veces me pongo a pensar en las pretenciones de algunos en Chile que desean que nuestro pais sea una potencia agro-alimentaria en un corto plazo y me pregunto... no podriamos apuntar a algo un poco mas complejo?

Sin menospreciar a lo que se quiere llegar (la cual no es una proposicion alocada ni descontextualizada) pero creo que el nivel cultural en Chile da para la creacion de una industria de tecnologia avanzada de importancia regional (y a largo plazo quizas mundial) si se desarrolla de manera inteligente. Lo que hay ahora tiene potencial, pero me parece que los lideres de mi pais estan empezando a tirar por el lado mas facil...

[Yañez]

A veces me pongo a pensar en las pretenciones de algunos en Chile que desean que nuestro pais sea una potencia agro-alimentaria en un corto plazo y me pregunto... no podriamos apuntar a algo un poco mas complejo?

Sin menospreciar a lo que se quiere llegar (la cual no es una proposicion alocada ni descontextualizada) pero creo que el nivel cultural en Chile da para la creacion de una industria de tecnologia avanzada de importancia regional (y a largo plazo quizas mundial) si se desarrolla de manera inteligente. Lo que hay ahora tiene potencial, pero me parece que los lideres de mi pais estan empezando a tirar por el lado mas facil...

Muy de acuerdo, el problema es que la inovacion esta por el suelo. Ahora yo personalmente culpo a la concertacion (para variar) pero es mi opinion nomas.

Claro ejemplo es tener en poder la clara posibilidad de contruir la planta solar mas grande del mundo, optan por hydroelectricas en la patagonia.:confused:

[Yañez]

Speaking of quality of life, here is some news.
Chile is #1 in Latin America in the Human Development Index as of 2008
It measures life expectancy, literacy, education and standards of living.

Its in PDF : http://hdr.undp.org/en/media/HDI_2008_EN_Tables.pdf


40.Chile
46.Argentina
47.Uruguay
50.Costa Rica
51.Mexico

[Danilo-11]

40.Chile
46.Argentina
47.Uruguay
50.Costa Rica
51.Mexico
Interesting that Cuba is #48

[superfrantheman]

mexico 51! tambien

[Yañez]

Interesting that Cuba is #48

Cuba probably gets really high points for literacy and education.

[HeartandSoul]

Muy de acuerdo, el problema es que la inovacion esta por el suelo. Ahora yo personalmente culpo a la concertacion (para variar) pero es mi opinion nomas.

Claro ejemplo es tener en poder la clara posibilidad de contruir la planta solar mas grande del mundo, optan por hydroelectricas en la patagonia.:confused:

Chile is home to about 2,000 volcanoes with probably 500 of them being active and not enough progress has been done in terms of geothermal energy.

[Yañez]

Despite dropping 3 spots, Chile is the best placed Latin America in economic freedom. Its 11th in the world.

http://www.latercera.com/contenido/745_92348_9.shtml

11.Chile
38.Uruguay
57.Peru
79.Paraguay
105.Brasil
138.Argentina
139.Bolivia
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This is like the third ranking in which Chile is drops in ranking this year.
Izquierda GtFO:D

[Danilo-11]

Despite dropping 3 spots, Chile is the best placed Latin America in economic freedom. Its 11th in the world.
I'll tell you exactly why I don't believe on that "economic freedom" stuff.

The countries in which big corporations have a monopoly on the economy are called "very free countries"
The countries where the government protects small businesses from big corporations (people have more freedom to start small businesses) are called "not very free countries"

So the question is "economic freedom" for who?
For transnational corporations or for the citizens of that country?

[HeartandSoul]

I'll tell you exactly why I don't believe on that "economic freedom" stuff.

The countries in which big corporations have a monopoly on the economy are called "very free countries"
The countries where the government protects small businesses from big corporations (people have more freedom to start small businesses) are called "not very free countries"

So the question is "economic freedom" for who?
For transnational corporations or for the citizens of that country?

As opposed to what countries where the government exercises total control of the economy such as North Korea?

Economic freedom is not a bad thing if there are mechanisms in place that protect and support citizens socially.

[Danilo-11]

Economic freedom is not a bad thing if there are mechanisms in place that protect and support citizens socially.
Economic freedom is good.

My point is... what most people call economic freedom is just economic freedom for corporations.
When a government tries to protect small businesses (economic freedom for small businesses) then people say that there's no economic freedom.

[Yañez]

Economic freedom is good.

My point is... what most people call economic freedom is just economic freedom for corporations.
When a government tries to protect small businesses (economic freedom for small businesses) then people say that there's no economic freedom.

I understand what you mean but that ranking means how easily you can start a business and how you can keep it without the gov't taxing you to death.

[Danilo-11]

I understand what you mean but that ranking means how easily you can start a business and how you can keep it without the gov't taxing you to death.
Good,
I'd like to share something with you that I "learned" on a left wing radio.

They are saying on the "Thom Hartmann Show" that "high taxes are good for the economy and it creates jobs"
This is what he says:
1.- He says that most small business owners don't make more than $100-150,000 a year.
They make a lot of money, but that's part of the business, just like paying a lot of money to workers.
2.- US economy has always grown and created jobs when taxes were raised. Bush gave tax cuts all over the place and the economy is in the toilet.
3.- When taxes are high, business owners don't want to take money out (earnings) because then they have to pay taxes, but instead, it's much cheaper for them to invest in the company and create jobs.
4.- When taxes are low, business owners can take money out of their business (earnings) pay a low tax, and then invest that money in China/India. Injecting money into their economy and creating jobs over there instead of the US.

What do you think about this guy's theory?

[Yañez]

Good,
I'd like to share something with you that I "learned" on a left wing radio.

They are saying on the "Thom Hartmann Show" that "high taxes are good for the economy and it creates jobs"
This is what he says:
1.- He says that most small business owners don't make more than $100-150,000 a year.
They make a lot of money, but that's part of the business, just like paying a lot of money to workers.
2.- US economy has always grown and created jobs when taxes were raised. Bush gave tax cuts all over the place and the economy is in the toilet.
3.- When taxes are high, business owners don't want to take money out (earnings) because then they have to pay taxes, but instead, it's much cheaper for them to invest in the company and create jobs.
4.- When taxes are low, business owners can take money out of their business (earnings) pay a low tax, and then invest that money in China/India. Injecting money into their economy and creating jobs over there instead of the US.

What do you think about this guy's theory?

Well on point #2 they were wrong because historically the situation has been reversed. When the economy grows and jobs are being created then the raise in taxes comes, not the raise first.

Also, yes Bush gave tax cuts but mostly to big energy companies, few to none to small,medium sized businesses which are the backbone of any economy. Even so, the U.S has the biggest corporate tax in the industrialized world, hence the massive outsourcing to countries who tax less.

On #4 , and here I can speak from personal experience. Your business does not get taxed for taking money out nearly as much as for putting money in. If you want to invest in country X, then you get taxed by that country. Also, in that country, why would international companies, and even the locals with the money to do it, invest knowing theyll get taxed. Theyll invest somewhere else so there wont be any money at all to tax. The world is one now, no country in the world can become developed without foreign investment, not even the developed U.S and Europe. And investment will come if you tax.

[Danilo-11]

The world is one now, no country in the world can become developed without foreign investment, not even the developed U.S and Europe. And investment will come if you tax.
I don't know about that,
South Korea is very developed and when I went over there in 2002 almost all the cars were made in Korea.
I was told that they have a pretty high tariff to protect their car industry.

[Yañez]

I don't know about that,
South Korea is very developed and when I went over there in 2002 almost all the cars were made in Korea.
I was told that they have a pretty high tariff to protect their car industry.

Yes, as well as massive foreign investment.

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Danilo ..

U.S is being financed by People Republic of China as they are U.S number one lender.

Yanez makes a good point....

[Yañez]

Danilo ..

U.S is being financed by People Republic of China as they are U.S number one lender.

Yanez makes a good point....

Thats the problem, massive spending with money they dont have. Thats where Obamas major criticism is, he won't do anything to fix it.


On my comment "The world is one now, no country in the world can become developed without foreign investment, not even the developed U.S and Europe. And investment will come if you tax." that should say, investment will come if you lower tax.

[Danilo-11]

On my comment "The world is one now, no country in the world can become developed without foreign investment, not even the developed U.S and Europe..."
I have to say that you are somewhat wrong with that,
there are countries that are very rich (natural resources) and don't depend foreign investment to grow.