Understanding Brazilian Soccer Part 1

[SoccerScout]

Part 3 coming soon.....

[pololo]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by SoccerScout
[B]OK Finally PART 2.

For example, in my school I remember an Asian guy, I dont have a clue what his real name was but he was always known as TOSHIBA, a Japanese TV brand that they sold in Brazil. That name immediatly stuck and again understand it wasnt considerd an insult and the guy didnt have a problem with it. I also had a nickname that was used on ocassion especially when I first arrive din Brazil, I was known as "Americano", even though I was Brazilian born (but I had lived in the US for years). Others were called "Pardal", a type of bird because of his beek like nose. Pardal was our goalie. Two brothers that joined our class in our second year were immediatly named Rubem Paz and Sapuca because they resembled two soccer players that Played for Internacional at the time. I studied with them for 2 years and cant remeber their real names! Anyway you get the picture, nicknames are common in Brazil.

Rubem Paz is Ruben Paz the great Uruguayan player,right?

[SoccerScout]

Rubem Paz is Ruben Paz the great Uruguayan player,right?
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http://www.kjsl.com/racing/fotos/jug80/ruben.jpg

Yes. I saw him play many many times when he played for Internacional. He was a great player, but occassionally would dissapear on the field, but definetly one of my favorites. He had genious moments. We liked to think of him as our Maradona.

Its a shame he never got as much National team play in Uruguay as he should mostly because of Franchescoli a star player that played his position.

I hear at 42 he still plays today for a small Uruguayan team.

http://www.geocities.com/RodeoDrive/Mall/6418/time_1983_01g.jpg
Ruben with Inter, there he won 3 Gauch State championships in Brazil. From 82, 83 and 84. In 81 he wasnt with Inter yet. Ruben is second from right, front row. Notice a young Dunga second from right front row. This team represented Brazl in the 84 olympics (Silver medal) give and take a couple of players. Ruben being Uruguayan obviously couldnt play for Brazil.

[anderson]

SoccerScout, great thread! You're doing an amazing job here. Please keep it up.

Originally posted by SoccerScout
... I also had a nickname that was used on ocassion especially when I first arrive din Brazil, I was known as "Americano", even though I was Brazilian born (but I had lived in the US for years)...I was also born in Brazil but mostly raised in the US and was, of course, also called Americano when I was in school in SP. Go figure. ;)

I've always thought that some Brazilian nicknames identified with a particular ethnicity (e.g., Negrao, Indio, etc.) would be perceived as too politically incorrect in the US if those players came to MLS, but somehow Pretinha has been able to keep her nickname in the WUSA, so who knows.

Originally posted by Various Styles
Now i understand the nicknames. They are very common in all of Latin America. The only diffrence with the Brasileiros is that they wear their nic names in the jerseys. Do you know how this came about ???I may be off base here and will gladly defer to SoccerScout, but I'm not sure it's accurate to say that Brazilian nicknames are just like nicknames in the rest of Latin America except for the jersey usage.

I've always seen a Brazilian player nickname as more like a replacement name, rather than as an additional name. I doubt that most fans even know most players' birth names (with obvious exceptions for a few legendary players). Writers, announcers, fans, and other players or coaches almost never refer to most players by their birth names. I think that in most of Latin America, most fans actually know most players' birth names in addition to their nicknames. It would be as if Claudio Suarez were always referred to as "El Imperador" and never as "Claudio Suarez."

[SoccerScout]

"Stadiums :A World Cup in Brazil today would be played in the following stadiums"

Looking at the World Stadiums.com website one will notice that Brazil and the US blow away every country in number of stadiums. While Brazil is listed at having 557, others like Colombia are listed with 19 and Argentina with 68. Mexico has 73 and Canada 127. Still not even close to Brazil. The US is the only one that beats Brazil, with 626. In Europe nobody comes close, England has 181 as Europes highest.

Lets take a look at some of the biggest and most important stadiums. Lets make believe these would be the stadiums for a World Cup. Most were built back in the 60's or 70's and had that oval shape that also was popular in the US until Baltimore built their new field and started a new trend in US ballparks, out with the round in with the Classic.

But in Brazil where funds are a litlle tighter, most of these oval stadiums are reformed rather than demoished and turned into a parking lot. Its rather sick to see US stadiums built only 25 years ago be imploded in order for some new fashionable architecture to be built, its a "waste of money" and what will happen when the "old classic look" becomes old? Just like in fashion if you held onto those bellbottoms through the 80's you could where them again in the mid 90's. Will the Oval stadium trend come back?

Anyway, Brazil will host the 2007 Pan Am games and will try for the 2012 Olympics. People have questioned whether Brazil can host a World Cup and I say Brazil is actually one of the few countries that CAN host it. There are plenty of stadiums to go around. With a little reformation they would be ready to go. So a World Cup in Brazil, today would look like this.

First realize geographically Brazil is actually bigger than the continental USA. The World Cup would be played in varying climates if played in July. Hot in the North, cool in the center, cold in the South.

Use this map as reference to the stadiums. Each Brazilian State is listed.
http://www.worldstadiums.com/south_america/maps/brazil.gif

Lets say 14 Stadiums are needed for this World Cup. We will start with the Opening game stadium.

Most likely Rio de Janeiro's Maracana would get the final, as it did in 1950, so Brazil's largest city Sao Paulo would lobby hard for the opening game and most likely win.
That game would without a doubt would be held at the Gigantic MORUMBI STADIUM, owned by Sao Paulo FC. It held over 140,000 people as its record public.

http://www.process.com.br/vendramini/foto08_2.jpg
Likely location of a World Cup opener in Brazil.

Sao Paulo in July could be rather "chilly" for Brazilian standards with temps ranging from 50 to 65 degrees. This is a long standing soccer metropolis with 3 large clubs (Sao Paulo, Palmeiras and Corinthians plus a smaller side Portuguesa). Corinthians has the largest fanbase in Brazil. The city one of the largest in the world has over 20 Million in population. Flying over it is incredible, and endless sea of residential and commercial buildings. Not a tropical jungle, but a concrete one.

To be continued...

[SoccerScout]

Next would be time to spread the games around the country. A few cities would be ABSOLUTES to host games. Porto Alegre (Rio Grande do Sul State), Belo Horizonte (Minas Gerais State where the US beat England in 1950 WC), Curitiba (Parana State) and Salvador in the state of Bahia would be definates.

In Porto Alegre there would be a local "battle" to determine WHICH of the 2 local giant stadiums would get the call. One owned by Internacional and the other by 3 mile away rival Gremio.

Inter's Estadio Beira-Rio (Riverfront Stadium) 80K reduced capacity (record 100,000)
http://lancenet.ig.com.br/galeria/times/internacional/estadio.JPG

This is a great stadium where every seat is a good seat. Its been updated in the last decade but as with most stadiums would have to undergo a few reforms especially in facilities like restrooms and such. Built in 1969.

The other local stadium just miles away would be Gremio's ESTADIO OLIMPICO. Originally a one tier stadium it was given a second tier in the 70's after Inter built the Beira Rio and Gremio was forced to "catch up".

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/south_america/brazil/rio_grande_do_sul/porto_alegre_monumental.jpg

In 1950 neither of these stadiums existed and the World Cup in Porto Alegre was played in Inter's old field "Eucaliptos", which amazingly still stands today and has been used from everything from a Drive in movie to a circus since the Beira Rio was built in 1969.

This is the coldest region in Brazil and expect games being played in July at temperatures between 45 and 65 degrees.

to be continued...

[SoccerScout]

Moving closer to the middle of Brazil would be the 4th stadium so far for this Brazilian WC. In the city of Belo Horizonte in Minas Gerais state is the MINEIRAO STADIUM. Not far from where the US beat England in 1950 at the ironically named INDEPENDECIA STADIUM.

The Mineirao is a huge theatre of soccer hosting games for local teams Atletico and Cruzeiro.

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/south_america/brazil/minas_gerais/belo_horizonte_pinto.jpg

Built in 1965 it can hold about 90,000 fans. Mostly warm weather in this area. In July expect temps in the 70's.

Further south in Parana state capital Curitiba is one of Brazil most modern and recent stadiums. Known as the "Caldeirao" (Big Caldron) this stadium is only a few years old and very modern. Fans are really close to the field and fits only about 32,000. Owned by 2001 Brazilian Champs Atletico Paranaense.

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/south_america/brazil/parana/curitiba_guimaraes1.jpg

One flaw is that TV shows the side without stands and makes the stadium look bad on TV they would need to get cameras on the opposite side to shoot towards the stands to give it atmosphere on TV. Crowds there though are very loud.


to be continued...

[SoccerScout]

5 Stadiums down and still need to dig out 8 more plus 1 that would be fitting for a World Cup final. (If going on a 14 stadium task, though the Cup could easily be held at 10 stadiums)

In Central Brazil in the city of GOIANIA is a monumental stadium called "Serra Dourada", home to many National team games through the years this could be as close to the Nation's capital Brasilia the WC might be.

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/south_america/brazil/goias/goiania_dourada.jpg

Built in 1975 it holds about 60,000 fans.

Brasilia the Capital not that far from Goiania would be a prime candidate for a new stadium or at least a major renovation to the current stadium there. Brasilia itself only exists for 40 years as it was built as a planned capital city in the middle of and empty plateau in one of the most amazing undertakings by man, to build a city from scratch. Being so young the city is not rich in soccer tradition though they occasionally have a team in the 1st division. The current stadium there isnt so bad and is said to fit 53,000. But for a WC and for a Capital city known for its modernistic architecture a new stadium would be called for and possibly be the opening game location if a new one was bult. Here is the current stadium in Brasilia named after legendary player "Mane Garrincha"

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/south_america/brazil/distrito_federal/brasilia_garrincha.jpg
Built in 1974 located on map under "Destrito Federal" for (Federal District just like DC)

to be continued...

[Native Aztexan]

Originally posted by SoccerScout
One flaw is that TV shows the side without stands and makes the stadium look bad on TV they would need to get cameras on the opposite side to shoot towards the stands to give it atmosphere on TV. Crowds there though are very loud.
I agree with you on this point. When Atletico Paranaense took on Sao Caetano last year, the crowds were very loud and enthusitic wearing their traditional devil outfits and cheering for the home team. The stadium almost looks like Boca's stadium except that Boca's stadium, La Bombonera (Chocolate box), is closed in with stands on all sides of the stadium where Atletico's has that open side without stands. The TV company needs to be on the other side to show that wonderful crown atmosphere. Great stadium otherwise. BTW are you going to mentioned the Rio stadiums as well as the Santos' stadium were the legend Pele played?

[iansfavouritecopilot]

Hey

Just stumbled on this thread

GOOD WORK!

How do you know so much about Brazilian Soccer antics?

Ive seen a few games on late night TV.

I remember one Semi-Final game, when a big centre-back called Cleber was having the game of his life against Edmundo.

Edmundo, being the type of player he is, got himself booked, and would certainly miss the final. Knowing this, he got himself booked again, so he could appeal against the sending off and play in the pending final.

I remember after he was shown the red, he walked from the oppositions six-yard box right to his own, to waste time.

I dont like his style.

*Ian*

[anderson]

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[mr magoo]

cout you should work on the bidding team for a Brazilian world cup. You would totaly convince everyone that listend to you.

Why is that stadium missing a stand??

did they run out of money or somthing.

[SoccerScout]

Part 3 Continued.

So we left off building a WC in Brazil. Something that to the surprise of many would be fairly easy to do. While Brazil is not the richest nation in the world, IT IS one of the largest economies in the world with vast Highway, Airport ,Hotel and Stadium infrastructure. Few if any stadiums would need to be built, but most current ones would need to have at least a facelift as most were built in the 60's and 70's.

I have listed 7 Stadiums in 6 cities that would likely be hosts to games. Lets find 7 more.

Cities already used:
Sao Paulo (opening game, 1st and KO rounds)
Porto Alegre (1st & KO Rounds)
Belo Horizonte (1st & KO rounds)
Curitiba (1st & KO Rounds)
Brasilia (Nations Capital, 1st Round action)
Goiania (1st Round action)

Next City/Stadium:

In the state of BAHIA one of Brazil's most popular tourist locations is the city of Salvador. At the FONTE NOVA stadium plays BAHIA one of the Norths most traditional teams and Brazilian champ in 1988.

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/south_america/brazil/bahia/salvador_mangabeira1.jpg

Built in 1951 , holds up to 100,000 fans. Most likely would see 1st round action and possibly KO round action as well.

Travel a few hundred miles up the coast and you will find another lovely tropical city with great beaches called RECIFE in the State of Pernambuco. Along with the beaches you will find another large stadium (1st Round action).

Built in 1972, holds 80,000
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/south_america/brazil/pernambuco/recife_maciel.jpg

TBC...

[SoccerScout]

5 stadiums to go, if we used 14 total.

If you ever watched the TV series on E! (Wild on...)you will know the next tropical beach city even further north than the last city. FORTALEZA in the state of Ceara. This stadium has been totally renovated and is one of the view in Brazil that is 100% all seated. Called CASTELAO (Big Castle) it would be a must in a world cup, fans from around the world would enjoy not only the games but an amazing city by the Beach (as with many of the cities Ive descibed so far). It holds 69,000 seats.

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/south_america/brazil/ceara/fortaleza_castelo1.jpg


Now we keep going North and we enter the Amazon area and another beach city called SAO LUIS in the state of Maranhao. Here you will find a stadium built in 1982 that holds 75,000.

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/south_america/brazil/maranhao/sao_luis_branco.jpg

3 Stadiums to go....

[SoccerScout]

Try this cool link:

All about 1971 to 2001 Brazilian championships is a FLASH file.

http://globonews.globo.com/glb/gln/brasileirao/linha.html

[SoccerScout]

The end of this thread was lost due to a BS crash a while back. Sorry.

[subbuteo]

Originally posted by SoccerScout
Try this cool link:

All about 1971 to 2001 Brazilian championships is a FLASH file.

http://globonews.globo.com/glb/gln/brasileirao/linha.html

I like that

[SoccerScout]

WC 2014 will be in South America as confirmed by Fifa. This thread covers many of the WC stadium possibilities in Brazil (part was cut out from a BS Crash).

[JJ Mindset]

How would you work out the logistics of having the WC matches in such a wide area, from Porto Alegre to the Amazon to the Northeast? The air travel would be tiring, IMO. :confused:

[mr magoo]

Great news by Fifa. Hopefuly it will go to Brazil. They havn't had it scince 1950 if i remeber correctly so it's about time it returnd their.

Originally posted by JJ Mindset
How would you work out the logistics of having the WC matches in such a wide area, from Porto Alegre to the Amazon to the Northeast? The air travel would be tiring, IMO. :confused:

You could spilt the tournament up so that the teams saty in roughly the same area for most of the tournament i guess.

Don't know where stadiums in Brazil are located so Scout should be able to tell you.