AS Roma-Cagliari 3-2 - Funny YC/RC situation

[CalCard]

Still laughing at watching this... I guess this is one of those 'only in the Italian League' things.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUqVCp4ret4

I'm thinking easily a caution for the jersey. Then the send off options are wide open. Either another caution for the shorts, or another caution for excessive celebration. I'd like to send him with a direct red for 'AL' when he removes the shorts.

Still funny and of course it all goes in the report.

It must have really been an important goal!!!

[Nesto]

Still laughing at watching this... I guess this is one of those 'only in the Italian League' things.

I'm thinking easily a caution for the jersey. Then the send off options are wide open. Either another caution for the shorts, or another caution for excessive celebration. I'd like to send him with a direct red for 'AL' when he removes the shorts.

Still funny and of course it all goes in the report.

It must have really been an important goal!!!

Yeah, it was a big goal - winning goal in the 90th minute for Roma - who are struggling to climb up to where they belong in the table. Looks from the notes like it was just a caution. There is something odd going on in Italy - I've read about the shorts down a few match recaps.

[refmedic]

Yeah, it was a big goal - winning goal in the 90th minute for Roma - who are struggling to climb up to where they belong in the table. Looks from the notes like it was just a caution. There is something odd going on in Italy - I've read about the shorts down a few match recaps.

I'm a little concerned with the propensity lately for Italian players to drop their drawers. At least the players in the wall for the free kick had a tactical advantage to it. I'm surprise that more people haven't mentioned the fact that one of the 7 send-off offenses is abusive, insulting, or offensive language or GESTURES. I would be offended if a player dropped trow in front of me, at least without offering to buy me dinner first, and I'm sure that there may have been several thousand people in that stadium who felt that to be offensive. This is obviously something that would be less likely to be acceptable in the US. IMO, it should have been a straight red, but I don't think the referee had the heart to do that to this guy, who for all intents and purposes, was the hero of the day. The original video that I saw of this had the referee laughing his ass off as he cautioned the player. It will be interesting to see if Serie A takes some sort of action against this player, or comes out with a new memorandum on staying dressed for the entire match. Maybe they will start using stripper poles instead of corner flags and install some new lighting for goal celebrations. If that happens I'm cancelling my subscription fo FSC. :D

[Alberto]

It's really offensive and I am sending him off if he drops his shorts. No need for it. The world has gotten more offensive and rude and there is no need to tolerate this level of stupidity and I don't care if he scored the go ahead goal in the 90th minute and we have five minutes of stoppage, he's outta here. Look at the bright side, he has one less article of clothing to remove in the locker room. His first act, running off the pitch on the running track merits a caution. He should have stopped at that.

[boylanj64]

It's really offensive and I am sending him off if he drops his shorts. No need for it. The world has gotten more offensive and rude and there is no need to tolerate this level of stupidity and I don't care if he scored the go ahead goal in the 90th minute and we have five minutes of stoppage, he's outta here. Look at the bright side, he has one less article of clothing to remove in the locker room. His first act, running off the pitch on the running track merits a caution. He should have stopped at that.

I disagree. There was no way that could be interpreted as offensive; he was showing his joy, and it certainly was not malicious or directed at anyone. He simply desired to run around in his underwear; it is not as if he mooned the crowd, as pointyball players are wont to do.

[OldAndNew]

I disagree. There was no way that could be interpreted as offensive; he was showing his joy, and it certainly was not malicious or directed at anyone. He simply desired to run around in his underwear; it is not as if he mooned the crowd, as pointyball players are wont to do.

I agree - not offensive! (except to all the nuns who may have been present)

I'd write it up as 'insulting'! :D

[Alberto]

I disagree. There was no way that could be interpreted as offensive; he was showing his joy, and it certainly was not malicious or directed at anyone. He simply desired to run around in his underwear; it is not as if he mooned the crowd, as pointyball players are wont to do.

You've got to be kidding. I find it offensive and I bet quite a number of other people do too. I have to ask how old are those that see this as just caution at worst. I bet that age and the era you grew up in have a lot to do with whether you find this offensive or not. A grown man running around in his underwear after scoring? That lacks any class. It takes things to a new low. (Pun intended) and it's actually quite juvenile. What's next. The cleats? The socks? It may not have been intended as malicious, but it's really inappropriate. What happens if he's wearing a jock strap. What happens at an older youth game if a player does this and the next group playing are U12 girl's?

Think things through. If this is tolerated, it has repercussions on younger players who will imitate the behavior.

[boylanj64]

You've got to be kidding. I find it offensive and I bet quite a number of other people do too. I have to ask how old are those that see this as just caution at worst. I bet that age and the era you grew up in have a lot to do with whether you find this offensive or not. A grown man running around in his underwear after scoring? That lacks any class. It takes things to a new low. (Pun intended) and it's actually quite juvenile. What's next. The cleats? The socks? It may not have been intended as malicious, but it's really inappropriate. What happens if he's wearing a jock strap.

I continue to disagree; you may dislike this yourself, but I really have a hard time seeing how it rises to the level of a RC. Yes, even without the removal of the shirt I see it as a clear yellow for ungentlemanly conduct, but I would not send him off, either for straight offensive/insulting/abusive, or by double-yellowing him.

And I do know a player who occasionally removes his cleats after scoring, and pretends they are a phone and dials his mother to celebrate. I doubt that is related to shorts coming off; I simply think it is creative (as long as it does not delay the restart.) Or would you contend that is also offensive?

What happens at an older youth game if a player does this and the next group playing are U12 girl's?

Think things through. If this is tolerated, it has repercussions on younger players who will imitate the behavior.

Standards vary for many things at different age groups, whether it is a foul or misconduct. I see no reason this is a special case, or that U12 girls would feel the need to imitate this. The pros have always gone crazy celebrating, but I rarely see a youth player sprinting to the corner flag to celebrate a goal. He'd look like a fool; what crowd is he showing off to?

[Alberto]

I continue to disagree; you may dislike this yourself, but I really have a hard time seeing how it rises to the level of a RC. Yes, even without the removal of the shirt I see it as a clear yellow for ungentlemanly conduct, but I would not send him off, either for straight offensive/insulting/abusive, or by double-yellowing him.

And I do know a player who occasionally removes his cleats after scoring, and pretends they are a phone and dials his mother to celebrate. I doubt that is related to shorts coming off; I simply think it is creative (as long as it does not delay the restart.) Or would you contend that is also offensive?



Standards vary for many things at different age groups, whether it is a foul or misconduct. I see no reason this is a special case, or that U12 girls would feel the need to imitate this. The pros have always gone crazy celebrating, but I rarely see a youth player sprinting to the corner flag to celebrate a goal. He'd look like a fool; what crowd is he showing off to?

Do me a favor and don't patronize me. Taking a shoe off to dial is a caution.

[soccerman8067]

I must agree with boylan64. He's celebrating, overdone? maybe. It's a caution for the celebration, and let's move on with the game.

[chaoslord08]

He tried to talk his way out of the booking saying he had a shirt on under it so he shouldn't get booked. Referee told him it was for taking of his shorts. The player got annoyed by that, lol.

I had been hoping to see the video to see what exactly happened, fantastic.

[CalCard]

I see this as 2 events. First the caution for the removing the jersey. That is a no-brainer.

I headlined this as 'funny' but only in it's absurdity.

While we can easily administer a 2nd caution for excessive celebration or leaving the field (excessive and prolonged), I'd rather have the largest sanction possible. Hopefully the caution makes him sit out the next match due to accumulated cautions. Then the RC for AL - insulting gesture. That should add 1-2 more. NO ONE in their right mind should see someone deliberately undressing down to their skivvies as a 'joyous event' when done in public.

I'm with Alberto on this one. Maybe I'm bringing my own morals/views into it... some one should. The laws allow flexibility to draw the line in various locations. It can be allowed under someone's interpretation. Under mine, it's not. If the referee/soccer organization wants to rescind my RC and allow this, so be it. My conscience would be clear.

[Alberto]

Just so that everyone is aware, believe me when I say I'm a very open minded person, but this is a sporting event viewed by adults and children alike. This type of behavior should not be tolerated it sets a real bad example and is just completely unnecessary. Players in the past have removed the shirt, because they had a t-shirt underneath with a message. Love Mom, Hi to a girlfriend, whatever.

[Gary V]

And all this nonsense about removing shirts and/or shorts would be a moot point if FIFA had just allowed the onesies uniform Cameroun wanted to wear ...

[boylanj64]

While we can easily administer a 2nd caution for excessive celebration or leaving the field (excessive and prolonged), I'd rather have the largest sanction possible. Hopefully the caution makes him sit out the next match due to accumulated cautions. Then the RC for AL - insulting gesture. That should add 1-2 more. NO ONE in their right mind should see someone deliberately undressing down to their skivvies as a 'joyous event' when done in public.

I'm concerned about this attitude; when cautioning it should be done because of what the laws say, not your personal desire to exact a pound of flesh. I disagree with Alberto's view of a red card, but I see where it comes from. To give a yellow then red is just being cruel, and I would have a serious problem with that. Are you saying this player deserves more punishment than he would receive for taking a swing at an opponent?

[ThreeCards]

I have a hard time imagining how someone could see this as anything but an insulting gesture. I'd treat this the same as if the player flipped off an opponent, or used any other offensive signal. In what alternate universe is dropping your shorts a sign of joy? This is the same type of attitude that defends the use of swear words on the pitch because they have become part of common vernacular in some levels of society. I'd prefer to keep this a gentleman's (or gentlewoman's) game.

[Sharky1967]

Thankfully he was not wearing one of those Tback style underwear which is very common in Europe :(

Alberto I am with you, putting into context that most of us on this board would not being working games that are such high profile or have a large public audience. It's a striaght red for his actions and then I will let the local governing body tell me if I acted to harshly.

I am not surprised with just a yellow for this action in Italy. Their standards of public dress are much different than ours.

[OldAndNew]

I am not surprised with just a yellow for this action in Italy. Their standards of public dress are much different than ours.

Tempted to say something about coats here :D - but will simply restate my view that in any game that I ref, that display will be a straight RC - (S-6) includes offensive and insulting gesture; doesn't matter to me which adjective is selected; I'd go with either - or both!

I thought 'streakers' were supposed to invade the pitch - not leave the pitch! :D:D

[Chubbywubby]

What's next. The cleats?
When he played for Chivas, Adolfo "Bofo" Bautista after scoring a goal would remove the boot, kiss it, :p and toss it into the stands for the fans to have as a souvenir. Never cautioned.

He kept about half a dozen extra boots (left and right) scattered around the pitch outside the touch lines so he could replace the missing boot without unduly delaying the kickoff.

[refereejoe]

I've worked a couple of professional matches and this would never be tolerated. Anything short of a send-off and you'd fail the assessment, no questions asked.