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benztown
22 Dec 2008, 04:47 AM
I doubt that he would unless someone makes Stuttgart an obscene offer. Any word on what clubs the scouts represented??

I don't think Hitzlsperger would leave you guys for anyone in England except one of the "Big Four......"

I've heard that they were looking at players from Liege.

footyfan1
22 Dec 2008, 05:20 AM
I've heard that they were looking at players from Liege.

They were probably looking at players from both sides.

I know I've gone to many matches to check out a specific player just to have another one jump out at me........

benztown
22 Dec 2008, 05:51 AM
They were probably looking at players from both sides.

I know I've gone to many matches to check out a specific player just to have another one jump out at me........

I hope Khedira has a long term contract then :o

On TV they said that there were at least 25 scouts from all over Europe and that they were looking at some of the young Liege players who have been so good in the UEFA Cup. Of course you're right about the fact that they might end up with different players on their short list. They didn't say which clubs the scouts were from though.

footyfan1
22 Dec 2008, 06:03 AM
I hope Khedira has a long term contract then :o

On TV they said that there were at least 25 scouts from all over Europe and that they were looking at some of the young Liege players who have been so good in the UEFA Cup. Of course you're right about the fact that they might end up with different players on their short list. They didn't say which clubs the scouts were from though.


Thanks for that info man!!

footyfan1
22 Dec 2008, 06:06 AM
Kicker reports at this link (http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/bundesliga/startseite/artikel/502081/) that Pardo's contract has been dissolved, freeing him to return to Mexico.

They also write more about Timo Gebhart speculation.

My favorite club (BVB) is also reported to be interested in Gebhart, but of all the clubs reported to be interested in him, I think joining you guys would make the most sense for him as a player. :o

stonesean
22 Dec 2008, 03:12 PM
How else do you want to measure European performance objectively? Bremen being a 'disgrace' for the Bundesliga implies doing awful in Europe, and therefore costing the league UEFA coefficient points. And that's frankly utter nonsense. The exact opposite is the case.

While there is no doubt that Werder should have done better in the CL in the last few years, especially against weaker opposition, we really don't have to take shit from anyone accusing us, out of all clubs, to let the league down. Look at that ranking (the team ranking is the basis of the seeding in the CL group stages btw.), take the budgets of those teams into account, and seriously claim that we have let the league down. While you are at it, give me some of the stuff you are smoking, too.

Maybe I'm a terrible writer, but my post was trying to make two points.

1. Calling Bremen a "disgrace" is wrong.

2. Relying on any ranking formula to tell you who's good and who isn't when results on the pitch tell you all you need to know is equally wrong.

You seem to want somebody to yell at, but I would suggest that I'm the wrong guy. You know, since I'm on your side on this one and all....

I don't read German all that well, but I couldn't really determine the reason he was leaving. VfB didn't want to get rid of him did they?

Equilibrium
22 Dec 2008, 10:44 PM
A digrace to German football? That's why we currently are #12 in the UEFA team rankings I guess, and collected more points for Germany when we reached the UEFA Cup semis in 06/07 than you did last year.

http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/data/method4/trank2009.html (http://www.xs4all.nl/%7Ekassiesa/bert/uefa/data/method4/trank2009.html)

And that, although you have a budget that is roughly 3x as high as ours. Stop talking out of your arse please, thank you.
I guess that you forgot to mention that your team failed to pass the group stage again, which is what they have done year after year over and over again. This is not talking out of my ass, this is about facts. Eilts simply likes to put his usual Bayern comment remarks and I am getting tired of seeing them over and over again off topic. The reason you had more points last season was because you went to CL first and got kicked out like usual and then went to UEFA instead of Bayern going directly to UEFA. We made it farther than you anyways, which shows why looking at UEFA points is such a pathetic excuse to hide the fact that your team sucks in Europe. :rolleyes:

Vfbstuttgartfan
23 Dec 2008, 04:07 PM
Kicker reports at this link (http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/bundesliga/startseite/artikel/502081/) that Pardo's contract has been dissolved, freeing him to return to Mexico.

This is a shame as I still believed we could make good use of Pardo. But I understand he wanted to leave: an offer from his favourite club, one last big pay-day, guaranteed first team football (which he hasn't had all the time this season as he's used to) and finally the opportunity to end his career at home. He's not getting any younger, but I guess this makes sense.

I'll have good memories of him though, he played two and a half very good seasons here. In the title year he was arguably our best player, he was simply brilliant in defensive midfield. Last year he was also one of the few who performed consistently well and even this year he's very rarely let us down, he's still got one of the higher Kicker averages in the whole team.

He was a top defensive midfielder - good luck in the rest of your career Pavel!

Osorio, Pardo's countryman who has had a solid season so far, remains :)
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee175/white_lion_2007/meister4_1600x1200.jpg

Interestingly, VfB have not confirmed this yet. But it seems practically certain that he's gone.

The Old Lady Hertha
23 Dec 2008, 04:38 PM
I've heard that they were looking at players from Liege.

Probably Defour.

robledo
26 Dec 2008, 05:30 AM
Balakov Links Himself To Stuttgart Coaching Post

Krassimir Balakov has hinted that he has designs on returning to VfB as coach one day...


In a running feature on Stuttgart's official website, legendary Bulgarian playmaker Krassimir Balakov is the latest to have given his thoughts on the first half of the season as well as what he believes lies in store for his beloved club.

When asked which game from the first half of the season that he will remember most fondly, Balakov said: "The UEFA Cup game in Varna, because I travelled there with the VfB crew and felt like a part of the team again. On a sporting level I would have to say the 6-3 home win against Werder Bremen. It was a totally spectacular tie over the complete 90 minutes."

On the subject of which young VfB player he expects to make his breakthrough into the first team squad in 2009, his response was: "I think Sebastian Rudy possesses all the qualities needed to make the successful leap into the professional squad. Provided that he recovers from injury quickly and stays healthy."

Finally, when asked which wishes he wished to extend to VfB for the coming year and in the future, Balakov said with a laugh: "Krassimir Balakov as trainer!"

Vfbstuttgartfan
27 Dec 2008, 08:19 AM
Hahah I'd take that with a pinch of salt... Balakov is another VfB man through-and-through and he was probably kidding!

But you gotta say he follows the team more than any other uninvolved coach, and I guess that counts for something!

In recent news...

well, there hasn't been any 'cause of Xmas. Speculation over Gebhart has taken a break over the holiday days but it seems like we're the favourites to land him and that the deal should be finalised in the coming days. Opinion around this potential move is mostly positive, most fans believe he'd strengthen the side and want him to sign. Hopefully he will in the coming days.

Vfbstuttgartfan
27 Dec 2008, 10:19 AM
Well, without much to report on ths winter, and to pass the time, here's my individual players review for the 08/09 Hinrunde:

Goalkeepers:

Jens Lehmann: 17 BL games (avg. rating 3.03)
6 Uefa Cup games (avg. rating 3.70)
2 DFB Pokal gaMES (2.50)
2 Intertoto Cup games

In my opinion our man of the season so far. Can't say enough how much he has helped the side, this may have been a pretty average season so far, but it would be much worse without him. Such an enormous step up after a year of Raphael Schaefer.
almost always strong, faultless all season other than 2 goals against Gyor and Varna, both due to lack of focus, prolly in large part due to the opposition. Other than that has been excellent throughout. Lets all cross our fingers that he stays on for one more season after this, its clear to all that he's still got it in him! Our player of the 08/09 season so far.

Alex Stolz: 2 Intertoto Cup games

Surprised me when he was picked ahead of Ulreich as the number II keeper. Never really saw him as a particularly big talent and he spends all his time on the bench behind Lehmann obviously, but the two times he did play, against Ramenskoje in the Intertoto
Cup, he was solid both times.

Sven Ulreich: 18 3. Liga games (3.06)

Will have been really dissappointed to ahve gone from starting our last match of last season to being third choice. Last year, when he took Schaefer's place in the first 11, he showed he had talent(e.g. in the 1-0 home win to HSV he was man of the match) but was still way too prone to way too many errors. And now he's third choice.
But there's a bright spot: surely he's learning a lot under Lehmann, at 19 he's very young for a keeper, and he performs consistently well in the 3. Liga. Still see him as
having a brighter future than Stolz.

Defenders:

Arthur Boka: 15 BL games, 12 as starter (4.00)
5 Uefa Cup games, 3 as starter (4.17)
1 DFB Pokal game

Has been the better of our two off-form leftbacks this season. I'm not his biggest fan, he has advantages but remains too error-prone for me, and as you can see by his ratings he's had a pretty bad season so far. But, in fairness, he's been better than Magnin. Leftback has been our weakest position this season imo, but he's been able to overtake Magnin in being the regular starter there. I still hope he gets better.


Khalid Boulahrouz: 10 BL games, 8 as starter, 1 as starter (3.78)
4 Uefa Cup games, 3 as starter (4.33)
1 DFB Pokal game

Been a bit of a let down in that he could never really get going. Suffered from a lot of small injuries, and hasn't been able to unseat either Tasci or Delpierre in central defence, and a system where all three defenders could be integrated hasn't been found yet. But he has been looking better since Babbel took over (perhaps bacause he was a defender as well??) and hell, we all know what a great defender Boulah can be on his day, so I'd give him time and i'm confident he can still become a valuable asset to VfB.

Matthieu Delpierre: 13 BL games, 1 assist (3.46)
4 Uefa Cup games (3.17)
1 DFB Pokal game

A very strong defender, i've always been a huge fan of him. Hasn't been as brilliant so far as in the title season but is still almost always faultless and tough, and he performs consistently. So nothing new. Delpierre remains a rock in the side.

Marijan Kovacevic: 1 BL game, 0 as starter
16 3. Liga games(3.38)

One of the nice stories of the season: the veteran Croatian has played in the Bundesliga for numerous sides was bought 3 years ago to play in the amateur side and aid the development of our many young talents. Now after three years in the 3. Liga, he made the bench against Bremen due to many injuries and was even brought on at the end when it was clear the side would win - after three years he made his first, and probably only, match for the first team. A nice little story imo.


Ludovic Magnin: 8 BL games, 7 as starter (4.43)
5 Uefa Cup games, 4 as starter, 1 assist (4.00)
1 DFB Pokal game, 1 assist

Very bad season by Magnin so far.I always preferred him to Boka but this season he's been really awful. Hasn't had a single really good BL game. We know he can play well and we'll see if he bets himself back in the first 11 for the second half of the season, on form he's a strong player. But if he doesn't improve, assuming we'll be looking for a new leftback eventually, he may well be offloaded in the summer.

Ricardo Osorio: 11 BL games, 1 assist (3.50)
4 Uefa Cup games (3.75)
2 Pokal games (3.00)

Has come to be recognised as a consistent player who very rarely puts in amazing performances but also very rarely makes mistakes. And that's what he remains. Doesn't set the world alight at rightback, but he also never costs the team any goals or errors. Solid oldschool defender. And he's remained the regular first choice at rightback, bar some minor injuries he's had.

Marco Pischorn: 3 3. Liga games (2.50)

Tough for him so far. A lonnnnnnng injury kept him out for like 5 months. And it's never likely he'll get much time over Boulah, Delpierre and Tasci. But he's fit again now, has played very well in the 3. liga games he was in to get fit, and he should get some minutes in the second half of the season at some point or other. From what i've seen, he's a good talent, i'm quite sure he'll make it in the 1. Liga. But I don't know if that'll be with VfB.

Serdar Tasci: 16 BL games (3.31)
4 Uefa Cup games(4.00)
2 Pokal games (3.00)

Between him and Khedira for most improved player. We knew they'd both be great players when they burst out of nowhere to be key figures in the title year. Tasci
however seemed to take a step back last year, he just wasn't on form. But this year he's been excellent. Our best defender so far, probably in our top 3-4 overall players for the season so far. And he's gotten his German NT debut too. Congrats! And if he continues to develop at this rate, he'll be a top player. By BL standards, he's already a really good CB.

Christian Traesch: 5 BL games, 4 as starter, 1 goal, 1 assist (3.50)
4 Uefa Cup games, 3 as starter (4.25)
7 3. Liga games, 1 goal (3.07)

Played once last year, against Schalke, and did well. And he's backed that up so far this season. Another young talent. Came out of nowhere to score our goal of the year against Bremen and seems to have LOTS of potential as a right or leftback. He isn't an amazing player yet, and still makes some mistakes from time to time, but I think he could be compared to Andreas Beck in terms of overall talent. I never wanted Beck to leave and I think i've been proved correct by his very good performances by Hoffenheim. And so I hope we won't let Traesch leave anytime soon, and hopefully he can develop into
a very good player.

Midfielders:

Yildiray Basturk: 4 BL games, 1 as starter (4.00)
The running joke about his injuries continues: got hurt 3 days into the new season and then missed the entire Hinrunde up until the last game. With these injuries, he'll never have a strong chance of being integrated in the first 11. Who knows, maybe with a new year there'll be a new start, but it's hard to imagine Basturk suddenly becoming the player we all hoped for after 1 and a half years of almost nothing.

Elson: 7 BL games, 3 as starter, 2 assists (3.90)
3 Uefa Cup games, 2 as starter (3.17)
Came out of nowhere really and, 4 years after his last VfB game, got into the starting 11 in Veh's last days. In this sense he was one of the bright spots in a side with no bright news to talke about at all. But I wouldn't go too far: in my opinion there's a reason he didn't figure for 3 years and i'm not one who now believes he's a great player. I don't really see him having much future at the club and, while he is an alright player, I don't consider him to be anything special.


Roberto Hilbert: 14 BL games, 12 as starter, 3 goals, 1 assist (3.82)
6 Uefa games, 5 as starter, 1 goal, 1 assist (3.80)
2 Pokal games, 1 goal (4.00)
Already 5 goals in all compeitions, sounds good, but in reality it hasn't been a good season for Hilbert so far. Often poor and uncreative on the rightwing, it has been prolly
his worst half season since joining VfB in 2006. But I still see him, rather than Lanig, as our best guy on the rightwing, and he's shown some improvement under Babbel. If he gets his confidence back, he can still be an enormous asset, and I think there's a good chance this will happen in 2009.

Thomas Hitzlsperger: 16 BL games, 1 goal, 2 assists, (3.59)
6 Uefa games, 5 as starter (4.13)
2 Cup games, 4 assists (3.00)
Mixed season so far for our new captain. Started the season well, was one of our best players in the early stages, then had a horrible middle sector and even dropped out of the first team in the last matches of Veh's era, but has since gotten better again and has shown in some of the last matches of the year once again how useful he can be. On form, he's still a very valuable player to have in the first team.

Sami Khedira: 14 BL games, 11 as starter, 5 goals, 1 assist (3.13)
3 Uefa games, 1 goal, 1 assist (4.00)
1 Pokal game (3.00)
Very good season by him so far, for some reason Veh didn't start him every week though he probably should have, but whenever he's played Khedira has been almost invariably very good. Finished 2008 on a big high with some excellent performances and i'm hoping he can continue these in the new year. Again, to compare with Tasci, both were great in the title season as new boys from VfB II, then both were ok but somewhat stagnant last year, and the seem to be taking the next step this year with a great run of form. Khedira's been our best midfielder of the hinrunde.

Martin Lanig: 12 BL games, 7 as starter, 3 goals, 1 assist (3.64)
6 Uefa games, 5 as starter (3.80)
2 Pokal games, 1 goal (4.00)

He's had an unspectacular but solid first 6 months with VfB. Only started 7 games, but has played some part in the majority of matches. He's shown he's got a number of talents: heading, shooting in particular. No surprise he's already scored 4 goals for VfB. However he isn't quite creative enough in setting up attacks in my book, and als has to improve in other aspects. I don't think he's as good as Hilbert, Hitzlsperger or Khedira so it'll always be hard for him to become a regular in the first side. But he's been a solid member of the squad, and will hopefully continue to develop different aspects of his game.

Georges Mandjeck: 3 BL games, 0 as starter
1 Uefa Cup game, 0 as starter
1 Pokal game, 0 as starter
Was bought two years ago as an 18 year old hot prospect for the future. He impressed me in his loan spell at Kaiserslautern last year and has made some limited appearances for the first team this year, almost all in the dying minutes of matches. I'm not yet convinced that he will turn into a great player, but we will see. Under Babbel he has yet to play a single minute. But he's still very young and has got time on his side.

Pavel Pardo: 9 BL games, 1 goal, 1 assist (3.17)
4 Uefa Cup games, 3 as starter (3.17)
1 Pokal game
The only player (so far, at least) to leave us over this winter break. Yet his performances this season were just as solid as ever. He was consistently one of our strongest players when he was on the field. I understand his reasons for leaving though
and do believe that our midfield can continue to progress under Babbel without him. But nevertheless, he was a really toppalyer for his two and a half years at the club - thanks for that Pavel! And we should all wish him the best of luck in the final years of his career.


Sebastian Rudy: 2 BL games, 0 as starter
2 Uefa Cup games, 1 as starter, 1 assist (4.00)
1 Pokal game, 0 as starter
9 3. Liga games (2.83)
Being touted by many as the next big thing that'll come out of our youth ranks. He's played excellent in the 3. Liga, been solid the few times he's played for us, and is seen as a potential future star. Babbel even considered him as an option for the starting 11 when he took over, but unfortunately Rudy got injured right then. He should be back after Xmas, and we'll see whether he's able to challenge for a first team spot. Definitely someone to look out for.

Jan Simak: 9 BL games, 7 as starter, 2 goals, 2 assists (3.88)
1 Uefa Cup game (5.00)
1 Pokal game, 0 as starter
Not a brilliant first 6 months for him, but not bad. He started very brightly, scoring against Ramenskoje, setting up two goals in our opening match to Gladbach, but then had a little drop and suffered from some injuries. Never quite broke through under Veh but has shown some of his talent in the last few games. Great goal against Schalke is definitely the highlight of his VfB career so far, we'll see whether there'll be more of these scenes. Can't really pass a verdict on him yet and whether he was a good buy or a bad one, we'll have to see how he does in the second half of the season.

Attackers:

Cacau: 13 games, 11 as starter, 1 goal, 4 assists (3.83)
4 Uefa Cup games, 0 as starter, 1 assist (4.00)
1 Pokal game, 1 goal (2.50)
Very under-par season by him so far. Often plays alright, helps the attack, can set up others, but in front of the net, he simply hasn't been strong enough for a striker. Only 2 goals in 16 games, most of which he was a starter in, is a dissappointment. But he'll find his form again, and we all know how useful an on-form Cacau can be. However, he'll be making few first 11 appearances after winter if his confidence and goal tallies don't increase over the break.

Manuel Fischer: 1 BL game, 0 as starter
2 Pokal games, 0 as starter
7 3. Liga games, 5 as starter, 1 goal (3.42)
Major letdown so far. Has been hyped up as a big talent for a while now and then did brilliantly in the last match of last season, coming in as a sub, winning a penalty and scoring a goal and thereby securing us the Intertoto Cup spot. I thought he could challenge to become a regular starter this year. Instead, only 1 BL game, and average performances even in the third league. Definitely dissappointing. But he's obviously got the talent and hopefully he can return to progressing in 2009.

Mario Gomez: 16 BL games, 15 as starter, 7 goals, 4 assists (3.53)
6 Uefa games, 5 goals, 1 assist (2.80)
1 Pokal game, 2 goals
Lehmann's our player of this season so far, but there's no doubt that Gomez is our player of the year. Hasn't been quite as prolific so far as he was last year, I feel he isn't at his ultimate best form, but even so he has remained our star attacker for the season. It says a lot when a player scores 14 goals in 23 games and isn't considered to be at his best. He's also our top assist-man. Great striker. Next season, presumably without him, we're gonna have a tough time finding a replacement.

Danijel Ljuboja: 3 BL games, 0 as starter
1 Uefa Cup game, 0 as starter
1 Pokal game, 0 as starter
Well, I thought it was a bit of a joke when he was suddenly re-integrated in the side, but has made practically no impact, only late appearances here and there. I'd make a bet he won't score a goal this season. Well, that's what happens, his career has totally gone downhill since he ********ed up in the contract 'negotiations' with us 3 years ago.

Ciprian Marica: 13 BL games, 7 as starter, 2 goals, 1 assist (4.19)
5 Uefa Cup games, 4 as starter, 2 goals (4.25)
2 Pokal games, 1 goal, (3.50)
Still doesn't live up to anywhere close to being our record-transfer in history. 5 goals in 20 games isn't good. but these stats are somewhat misleading: he's often been marked too harsh by Kicker imo, and was only a sub in 7 of these 20 games. For me, he's shown some improvement since last season and has been our second best striker so far this year. I still think he can become a very good player, but he's not there yet and has still got a lonnng way to go in showing that he wasn't a poor purchase. Nevertheless, already more goals than in all of last season, so Marica is getting better.


Julian Schieber: 2 BL games, 0 as starter
17 3. Liga games, 14 as starter, 8 goals (3.27)
I hadn't heard of him at the start of the season but has been excellent in third league, with 8 goals already. He's apparently overtaken Fischer as our main attacking talent for the moment, and even got some late minutes in two BL games. Someone to keep an eye on.

Rainer24
27 Dec 2008, 07:02 PM
I doubt that he would unless someone makes Stuttgart an obscene offer. Any word on what clubs the scouts represented??

I don't think Hitzlsperger would leave you guys for anyone in England except one of the "Big Four......"


It was just a report in the Stuttgarter Nachrichten following the game and didn't give any specifics. He was at Aston Villa before and said he wouldn't mind going back at some point, so you never know. They are a team on the rise. They have a really good first XI, but are nowhere near as deep as others at the top of the league, so they might see the investment as worthwhile.

Rainer24
27 Dec 2008, 07:04 PM
I've heard that they were looking at players from Liege.

I'm sure they were looking at Liege players as well, but the SN report specifically mentioned Hitlzslperger as a player being looked at by the English scouts. Maybe it isn't true, but whoever wrote it either fabricated it or has a tip from someone.

Vfbstuttgartfan
30 Dec 2008, 08:12 AM
After a few days of silence, we can now confirm that Timo Gebhart is a VfB player!

http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/bundesliga/startseite/artikel/502316/

He signed a contract until 2013 and is rumoured to have cost around 3 million euros. Not cheap! But he seems to be a huge talent, is only 19 and has performed well in the 2. Liga.

We'll see if he can breakthrough here, but with a 5 year contract he's definitely gonna be key for the long term and I think he can turn out to be a top player.

Welcome Timo!

http://www.vfb.de/media/images/news_2008/timo_gebhardt_174x174.jpg

footyfan1
30 Dec 2008, 10:52 AM
After a few days of silence, we can now confirm that Timo Gebhart is a VfB player!

http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/bundesliga/startseite/artikel/502316/

He signed a contract until 2013 and is rumoured to have cost around 3 million euros. Not cheap! But he seems to be a huge talent, is only 19 and has performed well in the 2. Liga.

We'll see if he can breakthrough here, but with a 5 year contract he's definitely gonna be key for the long term and I think he can turn out to be a top player.

Welcome Timo!

http://www.vfb.de/media/images/news_2008/timo_gebhardt_174x174.jpg


I was saying over on the Sechzig thread before that VfB made the best sense for Gebhart, even though my club was also interested. I truly believe this kid is your future in attacking midfield.

Play him in the Bundesliga and find out a way to get rid of that mistake Basturk.

Rainer24
30 Dec 2008, 02:03 PM
Finally another Timo in the team. Balance is restored. Quite a bit of money for the young guy, so let's hope he turns out to be worth it!

benztown
30 Dec 2008, 02:27 PM
He must be one of the most expensive 2nd League players of all time. But I hope that he's worth it. I have to admit that I haven't seen 1860 in quite some time, so I can't judge his abilities, but everybody who knows him seems to believe in his chances of succeeding. So welcome Timo, lets hope for a great future for you and Stuttgart.

Now all we have to do is finally get rid of Bastürk...;)

Rainer24
01 Jan 2009, 09:50 AM
Now all we have to do is finally get rid of Bastürk...;)


I can't imagine another team throwing good money after bad like that. Maybe a Turkish team or something like that.

panicfc
01 Jan 2009, 09:53 AM
WHat is the story with the youth coach controversy?