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Martin Daoust
18 Dec 2008, 01:25 AM
So now that Lady Nina Bracewell-Smith has resigned her seat on the Arsenal Board and in doing so is no longer bound by the lockdown agreement, the question seems lessone of will she sell her stock, but as the title suggests, "Who Will Buy" the 16% to 24% she currently is controlling directly or indirectly? And while the contenders seem obvious, I suspect things are not as simple as most would assume right now - which stands to make Lady Nina a very rich lady at the end of this if she playes her cards right. Actually she'll be very rich no matter how she playes her cards, but if she plays them right she could be even richer than that.

So a quick review of suitors seeking Lady Nina's, well, shares, in order of their likelihood as i see it.

1) The Evil Emperor, Ruslan Usmanov. Mr. Usmanov, perhaps better known as, well, we'll just call him Mr. the Hutt, would seem an overwhelming favorite as he is clearly both the richest of the contenders, and is already is far closer to being a majority shareholder than the others. The best thing about him would seem to be that wealth which would allow him to invest more into the football team which the current Board apparently has been reluctant to, and the fact that he could bring David Dein back into the club which could help to correct a lot of the current problems more quickly. But while the pros are obvious, the cons are even more so - a lack of history of supporting Arsenal, reported affection for Manchester United, as well as a personal history of allegedly truly awful things, and well, there's a reason he is Mr. the Hutt. And all those elicit reactions ranging from concern to anger to genuine shame, and finally projectile vomiting.

But the one thing really working against him now is the possibility that, like Roman Abramovich, his personal wealth has been reduced significantly and he may be unable to take advantage of this opportunity at this time.

2) Our American "Cousin" We Kind of Like - Now, Stan Kroenke. Mr Kroenke I think was destined to take over from the moment he and David Dein met. Indeed I once suggested and still think that its possible some of this has been an elaborate bit of panto designed to make supporters comfortable with "his sort" ahead of actually selling the club to him. The big plus with Mr. Kroenke would be his background in sporting franchise ownership, and sports marketing/communications, both of which he has beeh quite successful at in America.He also would seem to have the capability of having the needed money being married to the Wal-Mart heiress(not as much of a plus as it was before young Adolf Hitler's recent Birthday), and there is concern he would not have the cash to buy the team without significant financing and risking long-term debt. Still he would be a huge improvement over Mr. the Hutt, because of his experience in the professional sporting business world, and since his introduction to us was as David Dein's alleged partner-in-crime, again he could bring Mr. Dein back into the club once he is in control, and with Mr. Dein and Ivan Gazidis really have the Club set both on and off the pitch.

The one real con here would be does he have the cash in-hand to acquire the 35% or so needed to become the majority shareholder? But also, if indeed Lady Nina wanted to sell to Mr. Kroenke anyway, why resign her seat on the Board, unless she wants to get Mr. Kroenke to enter a bidding war with Mr. the Hutt? And can he? Better yet, would he?

3. The Perennial Orange , David Dein. Yes, David Dein. Why not? After all, he has the money sitting there with nothing to invest in. He clearly has the love for Arsenal Mr. the Hutt doesn't, and he clearly has the experience running Arsenal Football Club Mr. Kroenke does not., AND he has the deep resentment of the rest of the Board and if the rumors of Lady Nina leaving out of anger are true, that would give her no small amount of satisfaction to piss them off that much. Also David Dein approached Lady Nina first during the alleged take-over he was launching with Mr. Kroenke, which may suggest the two were closer than they were with opther Board members, so Lady Nina could well be willing to offer him the chance to buy the stock first. Also, if his return kept the club out of Mr. the Hutt's hands, he could in classic footballing fashion, become the hero at the death after playing himself out of the club in supporters eyes the first 90 minutes. And he's English - and has Arsenal in his blood.

The cons would again depend on how much Mr. Dein invested of that money and how he invested it, and how much he still has. And how willing the current Board would be to welcome him back if they do not sell out ahead of his return, amd there could be issues about whether he or Mr. Gazidis would be working with Mr. Wenger on team-building.

To say this would be an ironic twist doesn't begin to to do justice to it.
Still as Judy Tenuta used to say "IT COULD HAPPEN!" and actually I'd say the odds are a bit better than Ms. Tenuta would suggest.

4) Fizsman's Bluff, The Arsenal Board. This is clearly the longshot of the bunch, and almost certain not happen, but...Well, if the Board's disdain for Mr. Dein is that genuine or they share similar concerns to ours about whether selling to Mr. the Hutt would be a responsible decision, I can see them at least putting in a bid to force the price up to try and scare off those two, or even purchasing some of Lady Nina's stock to try and prevent or limit Mr. Usmanov's ability to push a takeover. As they see it it would protect the club from elements they don't want in it, and ensure that a Kroenke-led takeover which appears to be what they want to happen, does happen.

Of course oif the current Board want to sell they don't want to buy more stock first, especially if Mr. Kroenke only has so much cash to offer for so much stock, and they may not have the cash to buy that stock now if they wanted to. So this would only happen if it was absolutely essential to completing whatever plans they may have in place.

So there we are, and now my prediction. The Big Winner Will Be...Lady Nina, as I suspect a bidding war between at least two and possibly three parties could drive the price for her stock way beyond what she could get right now. At the worst it would lead to her getting as much as she possibly could in the current economy. She will then be a VERY Fair Lady Nina...

Skizz
18 Dec 2008, 04:55 AM
I knew something/someone was missing from the last time I posted here regularly :)

thebigman
18 Dec 2008, 08:09 AM
someone break down the paragraphs please

i dont have the attention span to read these blocks of text

juanca
18 Dec 2008, 08:22 AM
Bigman- come on ,man up and read it, its a good write up imo;)

So interesting opinions there, to say the least:cool:

The thing i will say is that if the Uzbeki Mogul gets this "ladys" shares, he will have 40% stock in OUR club:eek: More than enough to make a formal bid for the remaining shares. Of course, the old rear guard that is our current board dont have to accept, but at 40% Usmanov would have the biggest stake in AFC, and could therein appoint say, DD back to the board, perhaps even himself, point is, he could have a BIG say in what arsenal does.

Rewinder
18 Dec 2008, 09:53 AM
It was only a matter of time before he returned ;)

I didn't read anything in the op, but I will say this - my money is on Dein/Usmanov.

He didn't buy 25% of the club so he could be invited to shareholder meetings, he bought it with the intention of taking over, and with 18% of the shares been made available you have to believe that they will scrape up whatever money they have and make an offer. Him and Dein have been sitting on the sidelines waiting for an opening, and now they have been handed one on a silver platter.

The fact that Lady Nina left the way she did, given her family's history with the club implies that she is not very happy with the current board members, or they aren't very happy with her. Either way it doesn't exactly pave the way for a smooth transfer of her shares to one of the current board - as arseblog mentioned, something like that would have been taken care off beforehand if that is what she was planning.

Her shares will go to the highest bidder, and I'd be shocked if dein/usmanov didn't pounce on this. They will trigger the buyout offer at 30%, have it rejected, install Dein on the board - and then things will get very interesting. I'd say at this point it's inevitable, and the board should start finding a way to make things work with Dein back on the board.

Rewinder
18 Dec 2008, 09:55 AM
Another thing - when Dein was kicked out, it was because he went behind the board's back and was trying to convince Lady Nina to sell her shares.

GriffinGunner
18 Dec 2008, 09:57 AM
All I want for Christmas is for Usmanov and Red Holdings to go away. Peacibly if possible, by use of deadly force if necessary. I loathe the fat b****** as much as RA and would be absolutely gutted if he lorded over this club, to the point of near abandonment.

God help us all.

juanca
18 Dec 2008, 10:06 AM
All I want for Christmas is for Usmanov and Red Holdings to go away. Peacibly if possible, by use of deadly force if necessary. I loathe the fat b****** as much as RA and would be absolutely gutted if he lorded over this club, to the point of near abandonment.

God help us all.

Tell me about it! Atleast Roman abromovich looks like a normal russian billionaire mogul, Usmanov is just a repulsive pitiful excuse for a human being, and quite frankly, it hurts my eyes to even look at that thing, to think that he could "own" or "control" my Beloved club is unimaginable:, However, Its a thought that could become Reality:o:(

Martin Daoust
18 Dec 2008, 10:21 AM
It was only a matter of time before he returned ;)

I didn't read anything in the op, but I will say this - my money is on Dein/Usmanov.

He didn't buy 25% of the club so he could be invited to shareholder meetings, he bought it with the intention of taking over, and with 18% of the shares been made available you have to believe that they will scrape up whatever money they have and make an offer. Him and Dein have been sitting on the sidelines waiting for an opening, and now they have been handed one on a silver platter.

The fact that Lady Nina left the way she did, given her family's history with the club implies that she is not very happy with the current board members, or they aren't very happy with her. Either way it doesn't exactly pave the way for a smooth transfer of her shares to one of the current board - as arseblog mentioned, something like that would have been taken care off beforehand if that is what she was planning.

Her shares will go to the highest bidder, and I'd be shocked if dein/usmanov didn't pounce on this. They will trigger the buyout offer at 30%, have it rejected, install Dein on the board - and then things will get very interesting. I'd say at this point it's inevitable, and the board should start finding a way to make things work with Dein back on the board.

But if the reports about Mr. Dein no longer being an associate of Red-and_white Holdings as was announced earlier this year, who likely is it that Mr. Dein would return with Mr. Usmanov, unless that was a ruse to get Mr. Usmanov on the Board's better side?

I would not be particularly comfortable with Mr. Usmanov for several reasons, but certainly not without someone like Mr. Dein, who whatever you thionk of what has transpired clearlry loves Arsenal and would not let it just be taken advantage of by anyone.

DaPrince84
18 Dec 2008, 10:26 AM
Usamov would have to buy the club at the price he paid for the his shares last year if he bought Nina's shares, or at least make an offer... if the shareholders say no he will be obligated to sell back the shares until its back under 30% (this is all ive read)... with the money he has lost in the last few months I do not see this happening at all... Usamov will not be buying Arsenal... and this is not the "golden opportunity" to buy this club...

Kroenke will have to do the same thing, and I doubt he has the capital... this is faux panic... calm down

also, why would Nina sell? the price of Arsenal has dropped by so much a share over the last year...

http://www.plusmarketsgroup.com/chart.shtml?ISIN=GB0030895238/GBP/PLUS-exn

Martin Daoust
18 Dec 2008, 11:25 AM
Usamov would have to buy the club at the price he paid for the his shares last year if he bought Nina's shares, or at least make an offer... if the shareholders say no he will be obligated to sell back the shares until its back under 30% (this is all ive read)... with the money he has lost in the last few months I do not see this happening at all... Usamov will not be buying Arsenal... and this is not the "golden opportunity" to buy this club...

Kroenke will have to do the same thing, and I doubt he has the capital... this is faux panic... calm down

also, why would Nina sell? the price of Arsenal has dropped by so much a share over the last year...

http://www.plusmarketsgroup.com/chart.shtml?ISIN=GB0030895238/GBP/PLUS-exn

She would sell because she may know that the share price will drop even more OR she may know that if it steadies or rises there is less chance of a buyer in the longer-term future than now.

I have heard that there was a bust-up and this is a gossip but from a pretty good source indicating that Lady Nina was angry because the share price had dropped so much and had they sold when Mr. Dein they would make nearly 3000 pounds more on each share than now.

I agree the chance to do that has likely passed, but that would make selling now while its as high as it is make more sense. Plus as I say if she can attract more than one bidder, which is as this thread was meant to suggets quite possible(Indeed I saw a blog that said Dan Fiszman could be better-placed to buy the stock if he chose to than the other parties)she could at least drive the price up some and maybe get some of that lost value back.

But I doubt this is faux panic. Lady Nina is going to sell at least some of her stock to someone - most likely among the contenders I listed. Now what would really be curious is if she sold it to someone other than the four I reviewed above. And let's not forget she may not sell all of it right now for a variety of reasons - the desire to uphold the Family Heritage, the hope that the stock could return to that peak level over time - but she will sell at least half of it now I suspect as since its still five times as valuable as it was back in 2003 and far more valuable than what it was when she first acquired(Actually when her family first acquired it) so she will want some of that return straight away at least,

DaPrince84
18 Dec 2008, 11:38 AM
if Nina sells, it wont be to Usamov, or anyone with intentions of taking the club over... thats what I meant by faux panic... and lets leave it at that

thebigman
18 Dec 2008, 12:17 PM
from what i understand, current board members will be buying the shares if they have to and have expressed interest

nina is keen on the way arsenal do business

Martin Daoust
18 Dec 2008, 12:24 PM
from what i understand, current board members will be buying the shares if they have to and have expressed interest

nina is keen on the way arsenal do business

I don't think the latter point is relevant really now, but the on the former point that is a possibility as I wrote - just the less or least likely possibility - and lets not forget Stanley Kroenke is a current Board member.

What the key to all this would be is how quickly she actually acts to sell the stock, especially if and when the first offer is made. That would determine if she is just selling or has a deeper agenda, that is, to create a bidding war.

DaPrince84
18 Dec 2008, 01:00 PM
also... I read that no one can sell shares until April, fwiw...

Rewinder
18 Dec 2008, 01:17 PM
if Nina sells, it wont be to Usamov, or anyone with intentions of taking the club over... thats what I meant by faux panic... and lets leave it at that

She will sell to the highest bidder.

Usmanov will try, and can't take over as long as the rest of the board don't want him - but he can become the club's largest shareholder and thus force his way onto the board, or install someone else (it will obviously all depend on the bylaws in the ownership agreement).

We won't be taken over any time soon, but these shares getting out of the board's control will definately take us a step closer.

DaPrince84
18 Dec 2008, 01:20 PM
if he buys all of Nina's shares, he has to lodge a takeover bid... keyword is HAS... he would also have to buy at the highest price that he bought shares originally... when that fails, he will have to sell those shares back to the club and get to under 30%... and cant lodge a takeover bid for 12 months... this ignores the fact that he has lost a lot of wealth over the last few months as well

I think Usamov has the most shares now also since he snapped up Dein's holdings (notices he has made no changes to the board or is being courted to join)...

Rewinder
18 Dec 2008, 01:42 PM
if he buys all of Nina's shares, he has to lodge a takeover bid... keyword is HAS... he would also have to buy at the highest price that he bought shares originally... when that fails, he will have to sell those shares back to the club and get to under 30%... and cant lodge a takeover bid for 12 months... this ignores the fact that he has lost a lot of wealth over the last few months as well

I think Usamov has the most shares now also since he snapped up Dein's holdings (notices he has made no changes to the board or is being courted to join)...

I know how it works. He will hit 30% make an offer, have it turned down, probably not be too much over the limit at the time and then will start waiting again with 29.9% or whatever is the boundary, and probably have the remainder of the shares held by another person for him. The problem is with a 29.9% stake, and a boardmember having just departed, he will probably get a seat, and raise his influence on the club.

Usmanov has lost a lot of money lately with the collapse of the russian market and currency (as has roman abramovich), but he is still richer than any of our current board members. There is also Dein out there with a chunk of money to act on fat and orage's behalf, or if he has parted ways as Martin suggested earlier, he could purchase the shares for himself.

DaPrince84
18 Dec 2008, 01:45 PM
why would Dein act on Usamov's behalf when he has left red and white and sold all his shares? I even think he has a UEFA job now... Dein is interested in politics it seems...

the shares go back to the club I believe... he doesnt just hand it to someone... but im not 100% sure...

and I doubt he would get a seat on the board... it seems neither side or interested in that

wanye_stirrear
18 Dec 2008, 01:51 PM
No one knows whom she will sell it to, what her motivations or criteria are, or who would be interested in buying them. Why can't we just wait and see what happens? Drawing up all of these different scenarios without anyone expressing interest in these shares yet seems like a colossal waste of time.