Cisse cleared of red, Cole's score lowered to 4.2

[benine]

http://www.football365.com/All_News/Premiership_News/story_38087.shtml


well...the dive wasnt so fantastic after all...some FA action against little Ash?

[Own Goal Hat-Trick]

itll be interesting to see how many more players see red after having some sort of run in (legitimate or not) with cole. hes building himself quite a track record, isnt he.

[benine]

Originally posted by Own Goal Hat-Trick
itll be interesting to see how many more players see red after having some sort of run in (legitimate or not) with cole. hes building himself quite a track record, isnt he.


Calling it now: Keane or A.Smith will retire Cole if either man's team suffers a red to his diving. And if Cisse doesnt take him for a real red on his return...

[rifkin]

Originally posted by Own Goal Hat-Trick
itll be interesting to see how many more players see red after having some sort of run in (legitimate or not) with cole. hes building himself quite a track record, isnt he.

Building a track record helped by the media. I'm not saying that Cole is completely innocent of anything, but many other high profile players go down like rent boys all the time and no big deal is made about it. Anyone watch Shearer yesterday 'draw' that free kick outside the box?

This the same ref, IIRC, that gave Bergy a red card in the FA Cup against Liverpool for a bad challenge even though DB10 didn't touch the other player. The ref said later it didn't matter that he didn't touch him, it was the intent that matter. Senior refs backed that interpretation in the Cisse case too, saying it was right to give him the second yellow because of intent.

[profiled]

Originally posted by rifkin


Building a track record helped by the media. I'm not saying that Cole is completely innocent of anything, but many other high profile players go down like rent boys all the time and no big deal is made about it. Anyone watch Shearer yesterday 'draw' that free kick outside the box?

This the same ref, IIRC, that gave Bergy a red card in the FA Cup against Liverpool for a bad challenge even though DB10 didn't touch the other player. The ref said later it didn't matter that he didn't touch him, it was the intent that matter. Senior refs backed that interpretation in the Cisse case too, saying it was right to give him the second yellow because of intent.

Well the biggest thing is that Mr. Cole is a DEFENDER, not a striker, and I know this shouldn't play into it, but it does. People have almost grown to expect some strikers to flop around a bit, same for the attacking midfield type, but not from the defensive type.

[benine]

Originally posted by profiled


Well the biggest thing is that Mr. Cole is a DEFENDER, not a striker, and I know this shouldn't play into it, but it does. People have almost grown to expect some strikers to flop around a bit, same for the attacking midfield type, but not from the defensive type.


Yes, a yound defender at that...I'm starting to think that catching endless stick about every ************ up is part of the hazing of making the national team as a defender...but did Sol ever get spoken on to the extent that Ashley Cole and Wes Brown do?

[BrianCappellieri]

Ananova (http://www.ananova.com/sport/soccer/story/sm_654218.html?menu=sport.football)FA could charge Cole over Cisse incident

The FA may investigate Ashley Cole for his part in Aliou Cisse's red card at Highbury, after referee Mike Riley ruled that it should be overturned.

[Andy]

Already this shite starts. Just because your paranoid doesn't mean there not out to get you I guess. Personally, I did think that the 2nd yellow was harsh. It was a foul and a free kick was deserved. As for Cole diving, thats rubbish. He isn't as tough as Adams was, or Keown still is. He doesn't take the knocks as well. Even Cisse claimed that Cole didn't try to get him sent off.

[rifkin]

It is highly unlikely that the FA will investigate Cole. You have to consider the source and that article is just someone trying to get more hits or buys.

Personally, I think Cole could stay on his feet better at times. I didn't see this incident because I had to work all day Sunday, but it seems to me it would be a silly time to try and draw a card on someone. Late in a match that you are dominating and not being in an attacking position. And Cisse himself has says he didn't think Cole was acting. It just sounds like another case of a Premiership ref doing a bad job, which is par for the course. The rescinding of the card just makes it look worse in my eyes because of the inconsistency in Riley's interpretation of intent.

[BrianCappellieri]

Originally posted by rifkin
It is highly unlikely that the FA will investigate Cole. You have to consider the source and that article is just someone trying to get more hits or buys.

That story has appeared on a number of websites...

Not sure why you think Ananova isn't a credible source.

[rifkin]

Originally posted by BrianCappellieri


That story has appeared on a number of websites...

Not sure why you think Ananova isn't a credible source.

It has no quotes from anyone or even someone speaking on anonymity. You have to take it with a grain of salt.

[Mc_Midas]

cole is a cheat and nothing will be done to him, he will not be punished at all.
fa should really sort themselves out.

[Motterman]

Originally posted by rifkin
I didn't see this incident....

Wow! Arsene Wenger on our very own board. Cool!

[benine]

Originally posted by rifkin
It is highly unlikely that the FA will investigate Cole. You have to consider the source and that article is just someone trying to get more hits or buys.

Personally, I think Cole could stay on his feet better at times. I didn't see this incident because I had to work all day Sunday, but it seems to me it would be a silly time to try and draw a card on someone. Late in a match that you are dominating and not being in an attacking position. And Cisse himself has says he didn't think Cole was acting. It just sounds like another case of a Premiership ref doing a bad job, which is par for the course. The rescinding of the card just makes it look worse in my eyes because of the inconsistency in Riley's interpretation of intent.


Yeah, there may have been grounds for a free kick based on the way that Cisse went in, but to say that Cole in no way aided the outcome has to be a bit of favoritism, right? I mean, I've seen the play now a godawful number of times and from the angles showen you can see that the contact is minimal at best and Cole's flop is totally wrong for that type of contact (you dont jump, flopping on you belly, when it's your thigh that supposedly gets clipped). It's horrible acting. Maybe a good Collina no-call leading to a goal against England on the continuation is what Cole needs, because he does seem to have a strikers endurance for contact...brazilian striker, at that.

[kygunner]

Originally posted by Motterman


Wow! Arsene Wenger on our very own board. Cool! Thats actually quite funny! Unlike some Arsenal fans I wont be able to defend Cole on this one. He took a horrid dive and deserved a booking of his own. His record "of crying wolf" will have referees waiting to book him even if the tackle was bad.

[rifkin]

Originally posted by Motterman


Wow! Arsene Wenger on our very own board. Cool!

And as such I've only commented on the incident based on reports and I've only complained about the inconsistent treatment by the press and the inconsistent interpretation by referee.

[rifkin]

Originally posted by Mc_Midas
cole is a cheat and nothing will be done to him, he will not be punished at all.
fa should really sort themselves out.

Even if he did dive the FA would have to start investigating every incident like that. Shearer on Monday vs. West Ham just to name a recent example.

[Motterman]

Originally posted by rifkin

And as such I've only commented on the incident based on reports and I've only complained about the inconsistent treatment by the press and the inconsistent interpretation by referee.

No worries mate. Just having a good natured go at your manager. It's too bad that people direct similar banter toward our own manager with much more venom.

[Mc_Midas]

cole has been cleared by fa. disgrace.

[rifkin]

Originally posted by Mc_Midas
cole has been cleared by fa. disgrace.

The fact of the matter is that life on the pitch has changed for Mr. Cole no matter what the FA officially does. He'll be treated differently by refs and his opponents for the time being. He needs to be especially vigilant for a while, stay on his feet and take the abuse even when he is whacked. It's the only way to reverse his reputation.