Official Jeremy St. Louis Thread

[GutBomb]

...Global will have to pay for the transmission cost, which is outrageously expensive because the transmission will require multiple satellite hops: Melbourne to Sydney, Sydney to Los Angeles, and Los Angeles to Winnipeg.

I am not certain that you understand the way satellites work. there is no satellite above winnipeg, sydney, los angeles, or or melbourne. Satellites used for television distribution are above the equator. The game is beamed up either live at the venue from a sat truck or it's sent via fiber from the venue to the network then the network beams it up to the satellite they lease space on. If a program has a distribution deal for north america the original satellite relays the signal to another satellite that can be seen from north america. the distributer (in this case FSI) downlinks that transmission to the network in winnipeg. that's as far as it goes. 1 hop. from the venue/originating network, to their normal satellite, then relaying from there to a satellite that can be seen from the US. then FSWC grabs that feed and rebroadcasts that feed on their network. Sure they have to beam their network feed back up to their satellite location but they would already be doing that anyway no matter what content they were showing at the time. the point is, international distribution of live events from australia should not involve more than 1 hop and this is always factored in to the expense of things like this.

[da_cfo]

I am not certain that you understand the way satellites work. there is no satellite above winnipeg, sydney, los angeles, or or melbourne. Satellites used for television distribution are above the equator. The game is beamed up either live at the venue from a sat truck or it's sent via fiber from the venue to the network then the network beams it up to the satellite they lease space on. If a program has a distribution deal for north america the original satellite beams the signal to another satellite that can be seen from north america. the distributer (in this case FSI) downlinks that transmission to the network in winnipeg. that's as far as it goes. 1 hop. from the venue/originating network, to a satellite that can be seen from the US. then FSWC grabs that feed and rebroadcasts that feed on their network. Sure they have to beam their network feed back up to their satellite location but they would already be doing that anyway no matter what content they were showing at the time. the point is, international distribution of live events does not involve more than 1 hop and this is always factored in to the exense of things like this.

I was told with CERTAINTY by multiple TV producers that Trans-Pacific satellite TV transmission between Australia and the US must originally from a teleport in Sydney.

That means the signal of an Aussie Rules match in Melbourne must be relayed from Melbourne to the Sydney teleport via either a domestic satellite or a land line.

There is no teleport in Melbourne that is capable of uplinking to a Trans-Pacific satellite such as PAS 2 or PAS 9.

Also, Winnipeg is too far to the east to receive PAS 2 or PAS 9 so a third hop is necessary between Los Angeles (actually the Sylmar teleport in the San Fernando Valley) and Winnipeg.

I am well aware that all satellites are above the equator, having written two articles in 1997 explaining this to soccer fans in Soccer America and Soccer Magazine when DISH Network started carrying a soccer-centric channel in the US (the channel now known as FOX Sports en Espanol).

[da_cfo]

With regards to the AFL thing, if Canwest owns Network Ten, they then own the broadcasts that they air right? That being said, are they not then selling the broadcast rights to FSI? Or does FSI do their own seperate cast of the games? Because if it is Network Ten then they are selling the rights to FSI - which in turn would then sell them back to Canwest for North American broadcast? That makes little sense...but then again, it is TV...I know that I have had brought it up to certain people that we should use stuff from our Aussie and NZ stations....but bringing it up and getting it done are very different things...

Domestic rights and international rights to sports events are sold separately.

In the case of Aussie Rules, FSI owns ALL international distribution rights to Aussie Rules TV products, regardless of the domestic broadcaster, through the 2006 season.

Only FSI can distribute Aussie Rules telecasts outside Australia, even if those telecasts were aired in Australia by Canwest's Network Ten.

FSI has put up Aussie Rules for sublicensing in 2005, as FOX Sports World (US) will no longer exist when the 2005 Aussie Rules season starts, replaced by the FOX Soccer Channel.

FOX filed trademark registration papers for "The Soccer Channel" (serial number 78485747) 2 weeks ago as a defensive move, likely against the Comcast/Gol TV alliance. The trademark papers for "FOX Soccer Channel" (serial number 78444142) were filed 3 months ago.

[nyrmetros]

Please keep the Aussie Rules FSW !!! Please keep the FSW -- FCS !

[Motterman]

Sorry Ted - and others...Setatnta had the game on pay-per-view and ESPN was showing it delayed down south so we could not get the hilites in time for air. We tried but were unable to. TSN in Canada re-broadcast the game late last night and we recorded it but I am unsure whether we will run hilites tonight - possibly because of the HUGE debut of Wayne Rooney.

We did what we could - apologies to all.

J1
Thanks for the effort and work you all put into the Report.

I'm guessing the Rooney goals will be on next weeks Goals of the Week in the 1-2-3 spots. :D

[mcpish]

With regards to the AFL thing, if Canwest owns Network Ten, they then own the broadcasts that they air right? That being said, are they not then selling the broadcast rights to FSI? Or does FSI do their own seperate cast of the games? Because if it is Network Ten then they are selling the rights to FSI - which in turn would then sell them back to Canwest for North American broadcast? That makes little sense...but then again, it is TV...I know that I have had brought it up to certain people that we should use stuff from our Aussie and NZ stations....but bringing it up and getting it done are very different things...

Yes I've always found it strange that Fox Sports World Canada relies so much on Fox Sports International when many of the originating broadcasters in Australia/New Zealand are directly affiliated with CanWest Global. FSI definately does not do its own cast of the games. The actual weekly matches on FSWC are produced by AFL films (http://www.aflfilms.com.au/), which is a seperate media company which operates in a manner similar to NFL films in the USA. The actual game footage however DOES originate from the Network TEN broadcasts. I wonder the same thing as you do, why not simply skip the middle-men and have CanWest Global take its OWN telecasts from Australia and air them on its Canadian sports network, FSWC?

I think that since the AFL matches that FSWC airs are technically being produced by "AFL Films" since they are abbriviated from their original Network TEN live broadcast, FSI may only have broadcast rights with AFL Films specifically for the distribution of the "Toyota Aussie Rules" packaged show. I think, Network TEN has probably sold its footage for use by AFL films which in turn produces "Toyota Aussie Rules" which is then exclusively distributed by Fox Sports International. If however, Network TEN merely provided its LIVE feeds directly to FSWC and bypass the "Toyota Aussie Rules" packaged show then this might be overcome. Considering that FSWC and Network TEN are both run by the same company I'd imagine this would be easy and something that CanWest would want to do. In fact, I've noticed that CanWest Global already has CRTC approval to distribute Network TEN in Canada. It is listed on the Revised lists of eligible satellite services dated August 5,2003 on the CRTC's website . http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/ENG/Notices/2003/pb2003-43.htm

Surely if all else fails and FSWC cannot aquire the broadcast rights for the AFL next year from Fox Sports International, CanWest should start bringing over the Network TEN feed to distribute directly to consumers, afterall CanWest has already received approval for it. The only problem would be whether or not CanWest would be forced to blackout any AFL games to Canadians on Network TEN even though the CRTC has approved the signal for Canadian distribution merely because FSI still holds the rights yet refuses to air Live games.

[jstlouis]

Just me bumping my own thread up the table here as we await Bobby's arrival for Friday's show...

Dumm de dum...

Have a good weekend all!

J1

[TiggerFC]

Just me bumping my own thread up the table here as we await Bobby's arrival for Friday's show...

Dumm de dum...

Have a good weekend all!

J1


Anyone notice his new and improved pearly whites? Lookin' good!

[LilSis23]

Anyone notice his new and improved pearly whites? Lookin' good!
Yeah! Your smile is lookin' better and better!!! ;)

[OttawaBear]

Really lovely!!!! Blindingly astonishing!!!!

Now if only he could do something about those ears........his head looks like the European Cup (sorry that's the Champions League trophy for all you FSW newbies)!!!!!

Teehee


PS: JSL, do you really have to come on here and pimp your show THAT much?????? Please.



Yeah! Your smile is lookin' better and better!!! ;)

[tomvandamn]

isnt fsw suppose to have the rights to uefa cup


If so how come there are no games on for today?????

[OttawaBear]

Must be cutbacks TomV. Or else Setanta are involved again and we'll get to see glorious highlights on, ahem, FSW report.

Then again there could be 'home-grown programming' on )as JSL likes to pimp).........maybe the Winnipeg Recreational League 5th place game might be on! Can't wait!!!!

teehee




isnt fsw suppose to have the rights to uefa cup


If so how come there are no games on for today?????

[nigerianman]

Just me bumping my own thread up the table here as we await Bobby's arrival for Friday's show...

Dumm de dum...

Have a good weekend all!

J1

Hey Jerry - is it possible you could get Allen Hopkins to respond to my questions in the thread i started on him? Would be nice to hear a word or two from him like you do here. Thanks.

[mcpish]

Jeremy Help!!!

I'm wondering if you know any venues around Winnipeg that carry the games on Setanta? None of those places like Tavern United on Pembina (which advertises that they carry PPV games) carry any of the Setanta stuff. You must know of some bars or pubs around that show em, right? :)

Phil

[jstlouis]

Hey Jerry - is it possible you could get Allen Hopkins to respond to my questions in the thread i started on him? Would be nice to hear a word or two from him like you do here. Thanks.

Sorry dude - to each his own....and besides, Allen Hopkins is in LA, I'm in Winnipeg....We've met once in Toronto at the Champions World Series - and it was just for a second. I couldn't get him to do anything...

And why would he want to respond? Seriously, somedays the stuff on here is soo stupid, I consider cancelling my account twice a week! I get told I'm crazy to respond to ANYTHING on here and somedays I truly am....and somedays I really need to watch what I say (be diplomatic) in response to some of the idiocy.

You're on your own dude - sorry I couldn't help.

J1

[SportBoy333]

And why would he want to respond? Seriously, somedays the stuff on here is soo stupid, I consider cancelling my account twice a week!



Fair enough but I can tell you that I personally have considerd boycotting the FSW report because of its Canada and EPL bias.

[panicfc]

Really lovely!!!! Blindingly astonishing!!!!

Now if only he could do something about those ears........his head looks like the European Cup (sorry that's the Champions League trophy for all you FSW newbies)!!!!!

Teehee


PS: JSL, do you really have to come on here and pimp your show THAT much?????? Please.

Pimping his show? Give me a break, its not often that media personalities come on boards like these.

Most of us watch the show because its the only soccer news show - plus Michelle is pretty cute.

I'd love to see more coverage of other leagues, but I'm sure I'm in the minority, I'm always in the minority on that.

Thanks to Goltv I can compare FSW to their show - and FSW Report kicks ass.

[nigerianman]

Sorry dude - to each his own....and besides, Allen Hopkins is in LA, I'm in Winnipeg....We've met once in Toronto at the Champions World Series - and it was just for a second. I couldn't get him to do anything...

And why would he want to respond? Seriously, somedays the stuff on here is soo stupid, I consider cancelling my account twice a week! I get told I'm crazy to respond to ANYTHING on here and somedays I truly am....and somedays I really need to watch what I say (be diplomatic) in response to some of the idiocy.

You're on your own dude - sorry I couldn't help.

J1

Thanks dude - nice to respond even though you couldnt be of help.

I do agree that some stuff on here sometimes could be just outright moronic but you have to agree that you are one of the few stations that actually do get feedbacks from your regular viewers.FSW is fine in my books, just add more games when you have the cash or renegotiate Sean Wheelock's contract and put the cash you get back from him into developing one of those banners that GolTv has that shows that shows a semi-nude chick at the bottom of the screen when there is a game on.

Thanks again dude.

[Nicky Butt]

Jeremy-

Sorry for tarnashing your good name on the other thread I started.
As for FSW, great show.

-Nicky Butt

[jstlouis]

Fair enough but I can tell you that I personally have considerd boycotting the FSW report because of its Canada and EPL bias.


Good plan....see this is what I'm talking about...Canadian and EPL bias?

If the US National team plays a game, we show hilites - same as Canada....We used to showcase the MLS (until Christian left - last time I checked that was an american domestic league)...EPL coverage isn't a bias, it's a focus....That's where we get most of our stuff from....having said that, we cover other leagues as much as we can with news and info/rumours, etc.

A bias infers that we believe the EPL is better than everything else, which is not the case.