Check out this situation. Amazing!

[lmorin]

There have been numerous critiques of referree performance here, as well as discussions of diving and what to do/not do about it. Here is an truly extreme example of referee action and diving. This YouTube video was posted on Steve Goff's blog in the Washington Post. Laugh, discuss or Rant as you will.

[hradilv]

There have been numerous critiques of referree performance here, as well as discussions of diving and what to do/not do about it. Here is an truly extreme example of referee action and diving. This YouTube video was posted on Steve Goff's blog in the Washington Post. Laugh, discuss or Rant as you will.

Wow. I'm embarrassed for him (the ref). What a blunder. Was he sanctioned?

[scref]

You didn't see the field gremlins trip him?

[hradilv]

You didn't see the field gremlins trip him?

Maybe he tripped over the money that fell out of the ref's pockets (too full).

[boylanj64]

At least the ref has the excuse of a bad angle. The AR is perfectly positioned and should know better than to

A) Award a PK to an offside player
B) Fall for that dive

And yet you can see him sprinting towards the corner flag like his life depended on it.

[Tim Brice]

At least the ref has the excuse of a bad angle. The AR is perfectly positioned and should know better than to

A) Award a PK to an offside player
B) Fall for that dive

And yet you can see him sprinting towards the corner flag like his life depended on it.

A)The AR can not award an penalty, only the center ref. In this case, the AR did not even wave his flag to suggest penalty.

B) At the time the ball was passed the player, he may have been onside. Also, he technically took himself out of the play when he flopped on the ground.

Would you come running onto the field if you saw the center call a PK that was not a PK. I have been in that situation several times and have always stayed put. I would be offended if I was centering and an AR came running at me after one of my calls.

[SccrDon]

...Would you come running onto the field if you saw the center call a PK that was not a PK. I have been in that situation several times and have always stayed put. I would be offended if I was centering and an AR came running at me after one of my calls.


But don't you want to get the call correct?

[refereejoe]

The AR might be judging for offside here, and with the attacker not having a play on the ball he determines that no offside occurred. When the CR whistles for the PK, the AR may not be aware it is for the dive, instead assuming it is for some other infraction the AR did not see because of his focus on offside.

I would assume the AR might want to verbally confirm with the CR that the PK was indeed not for the dive, however, presuming the AR was aware of the dive. A quick conversation at this point will not disrupt the game.

[refmedic]

At least the ref has the excuse of a bad angle. The AR is perfectly positioned and should know better than to

A) Award a PK to an offside player
B) Fall for that dive

And yet you can see him sprinting towards the corner flag like his life depended on it.

A)The AR can not award an penalty, only the center ref. In this case, the AR did not even wave his flag to suggest penalty.

B) At the time the ball was passed the player, he may have been onside. Also, he technically took himself out of the play when he flopped on the ground.

Would you come running onto the field if you saw the center call a PK that was not a PK. I have been in that situation several times and have always stayed put. I would be offended if I was centering and an AR came running at me after one of my calls.

The first post, I agree with completely, the second, not so much. The argument that the AR cannot award a penalty, only the CR can is a matter of semantics. The AR can signal for it, the CR awards it, and I think this argument is grasping at straws and hypertechnical. The referee may have been fooled, but the AR should know better than to allow this PK to be taken without at least a protest from him. When the ball was played, the way I see the clip, the flopper was in an offside position. Even if he was hauled down by the neck, he would have still been offside, and would have had to be whistled for offside (as that is the infringement that happened first) and then the defender dealt with separately for misconduct, restart is IFK for defending team. Just because he fell to the ground does NOT take him out of the play for the determination of offside position, and even if it did, the CR could have allowed the ball to travel all the way to the GK and then a punt out. THe attacker would have had to make some overt gesture (down on one knee or turning his back to the goal) to show that he was not invlved in play. Throwing himself to the ground to simulate a foul is not an action that shows you are not involved in the play anymore. With the angle that the AR had relative to the CR, the AR should have never fallen for that simulation.

The reason that I think that the AR was sprinting towards the corner flag like his life depended on it is because he was trying to help the CR sell the PK even though he probably knew that everyone else in the whole stadium but the CR knew it was simulation. The AR should have had the courage to put up his flag, whether for offside, or to draw the CR's attention, and kept it up until the CR came over for a consult. Just because an AR doesn't have the courage to press his point and do whatever he has to so as to ensure that the CR has all necessary information (and that does include coming onto the field to talk to him if necessary) before allowing the PK to proceed doesn't make the outcome correct. If the CR chooses to ignore that information and continue with the PK, then the CR, his assessment, and maybe career get what they deserve. I'm sorry that you are so caught up on being in charge that you would allow a complete miscarriage of justice to go unfixed just because you are the CR and feel the need to be right is more important the need to be correct. I don't want you as one of my AR's either. If I make a mistake like that (and I'm sure that if I haven't, I will), I want an AR who is actually going to ASSIST me in getting the call correct, even if it makes me look bad. The players respect integrity and I have thick skin. I can try not to be fooled next time. Once that PK is in and the kick-off has happened, that team can never recover that goal, or even the points they lost for a win or a tie.

The thing that makes me most upset about this thread, and also when I see it in other threads about simulation, is that when a referee is fooled an awards a FK for a foul that was obviously simulation to everyone else but him, someone invariably asks if the CR will be sanctioned for his mistake. Firstly, if any of the referees should be sanctioned for this, it should be the AR for not having the cohones to stick his flag in the air, but more importantly, this was a case of simulation, so none of the referees should be sanctioned. Secondly, simulation is done to fool the referee, and in this case it did. It's just shocking to us that it did fool him because it was so obvious. The referee didn't do anything wrong. This is the player's fault. Since it was such a terrible dive, and had such an adverse effect on the game, how come we are not asking how long thie player's match ban will be. If Drogba can get 3 matches for throwing coins, this guy should get at least that many for doing this. It's unfortunate that this simulation did exactly what it was designed to do, fool the referee. We should sanction a referee when he makes a grave error of conduct or misapplication of the law, but not when he was fooled by something that was designed to fool him. We are all human, and we try to do the best we can.

[scref]

The AR is just in disbelief at what he saw and cannot move.

[chrisrun]

Wow. I'm embarrassed for him (the ref). What a blunder. Was he sanctioned?

Wow. I am embarrassed for him (the player). What a cheater. Was he sanctioned?

[Funkfoot]

If by "sanctioned" you mean "paid off," then yes, I think player(s) and referee(s) were both sanctioned.

[MOREFFIN]

I'm standing on the line thinking "Oh My God! Where is Security?" :eek:

[cachundo]

If by "sanctioned" you mean "paid off," then yes, I think player(s) and referee(s) were both sanctioned.Pesos or dollars? ;)

[hradilv]

Wow. I am embarrassed for him (the player). What a cheater. Was he sanctioned?

That too :)

[boylanj64]

Would you come running onto the field if you saw the center call a PK that was not a PK. I have been in that situation several times and have always stayed put. I would be offended if I was centering and an AR came running at me after one of my calls.

No, it is doubtful I would come running on to the field if you blew a call. However, I would certainly follow mechanics if I knew it was a dive, which would be either to put my flag up for offsides or foul by the diver (misconduct, IDK going out), or I would hold my position and wait for the CR to confer. I certainly would place a higher emphasis on saving his a** from the mistake than making his team mechanics look snappy.