FSV Mainz [R]

[ohk4]

Harris, there's a difference here. Aachen got a direct UEFA Cup spot.

This drawing doesn't land Mainz in the UEFA Cup "proper". They are handed a spot in the first qualifying round. From then on, it's up to them.

According to UEFA.com, their first match will be next month (July).

So, Mainz will have to win a number of matches to even get into the UEFA Cup.

I think that will help them at the beginning of the BL season as they will be already match tested, but after the first five or six weeks, I think they'll begin to wear down.

If I were in charge there, I'd try to sign a couple more cheap free agent bodies just in case.


good points Keith. There camp starts end of June and then they will have quickly get ready for the qualifying. It might be a bit intensive for them down the road. And Conor want be there for it if he is in the Gold Cup squad.

[footyfan1]

Oh Please, a lot of people can say that, I dont care, but a Dortmnund fan?! Out of all of them?! You really might wanna keep it down a bit... :D

No, I don't need to. Licenses aren't granted or denied based on your current debt level. It's based on whether you can competitively make it through the next season comfortably.

Dortmund can, which is why we were granted a license without conditions.

Even the conditions of Frankfurt's license were something no other club would have gotten away with and they proved they shouldn't have been granted the license by breaking their license conditions that very season.

Now, had we (Dortmund) not had the creditor and shareholders buy into the restructuring plan and we got a license anyhow, THEN, I'd keep my head down and hide.

I don't need to. Dortmund's new management took care of business and we are relatively safe for another year or two.

This will all come up again for us. I'm not silly enough to think it won't.

But you can't compare us to what Frankfurt got away with. Not yet anyhow! ;)






I didnt know that Liverpool had to play UEFA-Cup qualifier now, that really sucks for them... Oh well, as long as you keep it in your stadium I guess thats allright...

Feel free to celebrate, you really deserve it, oh wait no, you dont actually... :D

Man, I didnt think Id ever really feel sad for Hannover...


Point for you. That was a good comeback! :D

Honest question now. Won't Mainz have to play even their qualifiers in a stadium that meets UEFA's standards??

If they choose not to use the Commerzbank Arena, aren't the next closest stadiums meeting those standards in Kaiserslautern and Stuttgart??

Or, does the Carl-Benz Stadion in Mannheim also meet UEFA standards???

[footyfan1]

I don't think that isn't the point, Keith, that would be ridicolous (by the DFL), cause in that case they would have replaced BMG a few years ago by a new fair team as well (as BMG is on of the Leagues Dinos)

I think , what counts is found here

According to UEFA.com the criteria include "positive play
Hannover played well in first half of the Season, the second half the literally sucked. Mainz played well even if the lost.
, respect of the opponent,
Mainz showed that , only one example, when BVB was guest in Mainz the Police Commisioner wanted HIGHER Security Forces for the cruel and violent BVB Fans. Mainz and their FanClubs told the Police they are nuts. Thats only ONE Example that Mainz showed respect to other teams. From Hannover I heard songs like "Ohne Schiri könnt ihr nicht gewinnen." (thats neither respectful against the opponents, NOR the referee.
respect of the referee,
See last point, I guess, DFL and UEFA included the behaviour of the Fans , as well as that of the Team.
behaviour of the crowd
opps, who can read has an advantage *G* You see, the Team can be fair , but if the Fans ain't that can be negative as well. And its only my oppinion (and I think BVB Fans are the greatest) Mainz fans behaved better than Hannover Fans (Lol we never can win here, as the Schalke Fans never can as we both wish us the worst :) )
and of team officials as well as cautions and dismissals."
This point is a draw at the team officials, cause Klopp and Zettel-Ewald and their staff both behave well (ohh I just saw, Klopp got the german Fair Play Price )
the last point is led by hannover

so ( only my oppionions )
Positive Play : 1:0 Mainz
Respect for the opponents 2:0
Respect for the Refs ( I take only the Team here) 2:1 Mainz
Behaviour of the Crowd 3:1 Mainz
Behaviour of coaches and Staff 3:1 Mainz
Cautions and Dismissals 3:2

If I compared it right Mainz won 3:2 (as I don't know how UEFA or DFL calculate the Fair Play coefficient, but it seems Mainz had a higher than Hannover



I respect your opinion and appreciate your showing me what I missed. But you try telling Hannover fans they "lost" 3-2.

I see what you were saying and agree to a certain point. However, I still think the DFL/DFB wanted to help Mainz out........

[Vfbstuttgartfan]

It's strange 'cause Klopp was sent to the tribunes on one day, i though doing that automatically puts you out of contention for any fairplay award...

[footyfan1]

It's strange 'cause Klopp was sent to the tribunes on one day, i though doing that automatically puts you out of contention for any fairplay award...

Maybe it simply equals a red card?? :confused:

[HeyaBVB]

Laut Deutscher Fußball Liga (DFL) waren Faktoren wie Verhalten der Vereins-Offiziellen und Fans ausschlaggebend.

Due to the DFL factors like the behaviour of the Mainz officials and of the fans spoke for Mainz

[todd11]

I didnt know that Liverpool had to play UEFA-Cup qualifier now, that really sucks for them... Oh well, as long as you keep it in your stadium I guess thats allright...
Feel free to celebrate, you really deserve it, oh wait no, you dont actually... :D
Man, I didnt think Id ever really feel sad for Hannover...

Oh come on now...I know you're a Eintracht fan and thereby obviously humor-challanged and all, but clearly I was tongue in cheek refering to us winning a couple rounds and THEN facing Liverpool. (tongue in cheek because, let's face it, we can't ever even win one round in the DFB Pokal...so I don't hold out any hope for this either) But, of course, we all know self-depreciation isn't a Frankfurter strong suit. :)

The question of the stadium, however, is quite serious. Even in the qualification round we'll have to play in a stadium that meets the UEFA conditions. And most rumors point to Frankfurt. Although, hopefully by then the ugly American Football lines will be less visible... ;)

And HeyaBvB really put a nice point on the decision of us over Hannover. (although I thought they had been hosed when I first heard of the decision myself, actually). For example, I'm thinking to how Mainz's management handled the clusterf#ck of Schalke trying to weasel out of the Azaouagh contract. They took it to the DFB, didn't go around blowhardin' in the media like that clown Assauer, even sat down and offered to defer some of the contract (even though they clearly had no reason to be so magnanimous). The DFB said everybit of the contract was in order, and Schalke wasn't just in the wrong, but clearly in the wrong. (I fantazise that maybe one of the muckety mucks from the league said something like, "look, Rudi, you're the idiot who bought a severly injured player cause you thought you were getting a bargain... 650k for a player that would be worth 5 mil. if he was healthy. Pay up, and please put out that cigar by the way... it stinks.")

Yeah, true, Klopp got thrown out that one game, but that's just one red card, and he apologized on tv afterwards, and looked sincere for whatever that's worth. Besides, he got the red for kicking the sponsor sign (which of course is sacred), not for abusing the referee or anything like that. I have no idea how they can measure things like 'fans' or 'management' myself... but that's a problem for the league to define better their criteria. In short... don't hate on the 05... ;)

[Doc_Aeppler]

Oh come on now...I know you're a Eintracht fan and thereby obviously humor-challanged and all, but clearly I was tongue in cheek refering to us winning a couple rounds and THEN facing Liverpool. (tongue in cheek because, let's face it, we can't ever even win one round in the DFB Pokal...so I don't hold out any hope for this either) But, of course, we all know self-depreciation isn't a Frankfurter strong suit.

I hope you got that I wasnt being 100% serious there either... :rolleyes:


The question of the stadium, however, is quite serious. Even in the qualification round we'll have to play in a stadium that meets the UEFA conditions. And most rumors point to Frankfurt. Although, hopefully by then the ugly American Football lines will be less visible...

afaik the qualification rounds dont have as strict satdium-rules as the main round, but Im not sure. But that would mean that the question would onyl arise should Mainz actually qualify for the 1st Round.
If thats the case, then I guess the choice is between Kaiserslautern and Frankfurt...
As much as I dont like it, and I really dont, but Im pretty sure they would pick Frankfurt, as it is at that point in time already finished and has had international games plaied in it, while Kaiserslautern is still in construction...
Dont worry about the Galaxy lines, itll be a nice smooth confed-cup-green...
Actually I would like to propose a deal at that point: We will let Mainz play in our beautiful stadium, if they take the Galaxy over to theirs from now on! :D


And HeyaBvB really put a nice point on the decision of us over Hannover. (although I thought they had been hosed when I first heard of the decision myself, actually). For example, I'm thinking to how Mainz's management handled the clusterf#ck of Schalke trying to weasel out of the Azaouagh contract. They took it to the DFB, didn't go around blowhardin' in the media like that clown Assauer, even sat down and offered to defer some of the contract (even though they clearly had no reason to be so magnanimous). The DFB said everybit of the contract was in order, and Schalke wasn't just in the wrong, but clearly in the wrong. (I fantazise that maybe one of the muckety mucks from the league said something like, "look, Rudi, you're the idiot who bought a severly injured player cause you thought you were getting a bargain... 650k for a player that would be worth 5 mil. if he was healthy. Pay up, and please put out that cigar by the way... it stinks.")
Yeah, true, Klopp got thrown out that one game, but that's just one red card, and he apologized on tv afterwards, and looked sincere for whatever that's worth. Besides, he got the red for kicking the sponsor sign (which of course is sacred), not for abusing the referee or anything like that. I have no idea how they can measure things like 'fans' or 'management' myself... but that's a problem for the league to define better their criteria. In short... don't hate on the 05...

Youre right the problem is at the DFL/DFB like so often...
Minz are the ones who got the advantage and of course they take it and are happy for it. Everybody would do that.
Still the way they got that makes me angry. Had they come to the final of the DFB-Cup, had they qualified for the UI-cup, I would still hate to see that, but there would be nothing I could say. But the DFl just changing some rules and Mainz slipping in there all of a sudden, that just makes me mad... Sure they are a very fair team, and en gros their audience is probably exceptionally fair, I dont know, I have never watched a live game, nor have I met to many Mainz-Fans in real live. Yet the view times I watched games of them in sportschau, i regularly heard chants such as "Scheiss eintracht Frankfurt" loud and clearly in the background. Not that I have a problem with that, I just have a problem with teh fact that Mainz comes up and sais "we are all sooo fair and so nice" and the media picks that up and shows that exact picture of them while in fact they have the same black sheep that every other fan-group has too...


greetz, äppler

Ihr bekommt vielleicht die CB-Arena, das Waldstadion bekommt ihr nie!

[todd11]

: We will let Mainz play in our beautiful stadium, if they take the Galaxy over to theirs from now on


Youre right the problem is at the DFL/DFB like so often...
Minz are the ones who got the advantage and of course they take it and are happy for it. Everybody would do that.
Still the way they got that makes me angry. Had they come to the final of the DFB-Cup, had they qualified for the UI-cup, I would still hate to see that, but there would be nothing I could say. But the DFl just changing some rules and Mainz slipping in there all of a sudden, that just makes me mad... Sure they are a very fair team, and en gros their audience is probably exceptionally fair, I dont know, I have never watched a live game, nor have I met to many Mainz-Fans in real live. Yet the view times I watched games of them in sportschau, i regularly heard chants such as "Scheiss eintracht Frankfurt" loud and clearly in the background. Not that I have a problem with that, I just have a problem with teh fact that Mainz comes up and sais "we are all sooo fair and so nice" and the media picks that up and shows that exact picture of them while in fact they have the same black sheep that every other fan-group has too...


greetz, äppler

Ihr bekommt vielleicht die CB-Arena, das Waldstadion bekommt ihr nie!


Deal's off, dude! ;) I'd rather play in SV Wehen's stadium than see purple and orange (seriously... who picked the galaxy's colors?? fabio??) at the bruchweg!

it's very true... the media obviously exagerrates... and it's not just the black sheep in the crowd with the "scheiss eintracht frankfurt" :) Next year's gonna be wicked fun... koeln, kaiserslautern, frankfurt and mainz in the 1.liga... all we need now is offenbach ;)

[HeyaBVB]

Hey, nothing againt the Galaxy :)

I prefer em over Rhein Fire, Cologne, Hamburg , Berlin and ... hmm since when is Holland german again?? Asterdam is not germany DEAR NFL *j/K*

[The Old Lady Hertha]

Hey, nothing againt the Galaxy :)

I prefer em over Rhein Fire, Cologne, Hamburg , Berlin and ... hmm since when is Holland german again?? Asterdam is not germany DEAR NFL *j/K*

It would be a sad day for Germany if they built an all-NFL stadium only for NFL Europe...the day Germany becomes America's 52nd state :D

[Doc_Aeppler]

Deal's off, dude! ;) I'd rather play in SV Wehen's stadium than see purple and orange (seriously... who picked the galaxy's colors?? fabio??) at the bruchweg!

it's very true... the media obviously exagerrates... and it's not just the black sheep in the crowd with the "scheiss eintracht frankfurt" :) Next year's gonna be wicked fun... koeln, kaiserslautern, frankfurt and mainz in the 1.liga... all we need now is offenbach ;)

You're right its gonna be a hell of a season! We really dont need Offenbach though, noone does... Before them in line are still at least Karlsruh and Waldhof imo (in terms of wanting my team to play against them)... :)
Its gonna be really interesting, and I actually hope that all of these teams will stay in, just for the matter of more great games in the future. Though I dont think so, I think they all are actually major candidates for relegation... but well see!

As to teh Galaxy: I really used to like them and actually had season tickets up till two years ago. I dont know why, but I lost interest, maybe because their shows got worse and worse, while the alcohol that you are allowed to take in got less and less. Not a good combination...
It really wasnt only their falut that the gras was so bad this season, it was also the construction on the video-cube, but still, I mean why is it so hard to move that whole line of players and officials thats standing along the field, back 2 or 3 meters. That way they wouldnt stand on the field and wouldn leave brown marks all over our beautiful green ground...
Its only a matter of reason, but what do they care, its only "soccer"....
Oh well, theyre probably not gonna exist to much longer, so I guess what do I care...

greetz, äppler

[todd11]

I mean why is it so hard to move that whole line of players and officials thats standing along the field, back 2 or 3 meters. That way they wouldnt stand on the field and wouldn leave brown marks all over our beautiful green ground...
Its only a matter of reason, but what do they care, its only "soccer"....

greetz, äppler

Sorry to stray off topic more, but this is sooo very true regarding the field. I recall during my high school soccer playing days (ohhh far toooo long ago)... the stadium was shared between american football and soccer. By mid fall the field would be in horrible shape... and mostly from exactly what you describe... the sideline (american football sideline... which is of course still in the soccer field of play!) destruction caused by the 40 some guys standing there all game (home and away sidelines destroyed). Even my mom was like, "why don't they just move the sub football players back a few yards so it doesn't ruin the field for soccer?? If it's so important for the coach to be closer, ok, let the coaches stand right on the sideline!" It's pretty sad when you're average soccermom can figure it out but the powers that be can't.

[footyfan1]

Herrlich And Klopp Pass Trainer's Course

Heiko Herrlich is one of the 31 graduates who successfully navigated the 50th DFB Football Teacher's (Trainer's) Course.

The former German international, long-haired Borussia Dortmund professional and current A-Junior Coach at BVB, passed the test in the shortest time with high marks.

On Friday the graduates received their diplomas as "National Soccer Teacher (Trainer)" during ceremonies at the accredited German University of Sport, in Koln (Cologne). Juergen Klopp, current trainer of Bundesliga club FSV Mainz 05, who held special status as a "Soccer Teacher Applicant", also received his diploma along with another ex-BVB player, Andreas Moeller.

[footyfan1]

Germany U-21 International Midfielder Geissler Joins Mainz


http://skysports.planetfootball.com/list.asp?hlid=287323&CPID=22&CLID=&lid=9&title=Geissler+joins+Mainz&channel=germany

[The Old Lady Hertha]

They also picked up a youngster from Fortuna Koln, name excapes for the moment...Mainz are on the up, what's the status with Gerber, he's important, I heard a rumor that Hertha were after him.

[robledo]

:(

Bundesliga outfit Mainz have been rocked by coach Jurgen Klopp's comments that he is thinking about leaving the club in the future.

Speaking a day before the biggest match in the club's history, Mainz's Uefa Cup debut against FC Mika, the extremely popular coach admitted that he was looking forward to moving on when the right time comes.

"I know I won't be staying in Mainz for ever - I'm much too curious for that to happen," Klopp told Kicker.

"But everything is still extremely exciting here at the moment and I'm very happy at being able to have everything the way I want to at this club."

The 38-year-old former Mainz player took over the reins at the Bruchweg Stadion in February 2001, eventually leading the club to their first ever promotion to the top flight in 2004.

[footyfan1]

:(

Bundesliga outfit Mainz have been rocked by coach Jurgen Klopp's comments that he is thinking about leaving the club in the future.

Speaking a day before the biggest match in the club's history, Mainz's Uefa Cup debut against FC Mika, the extremely popular coach admitted that he was looking forward to moving on when the right time comes.

"I know I won't be staying in Mainz for ever - I'm much too curious for that to happen," Klopp told Kicker.

"But everything is still extremely exciting here at the moment and I'm very happy at being able to have everything the way I want to at this club."

The 38-year-old former Mainz player took over the reins at the Bruchweg Stadion in February 2001, eventually leading the club to their first ever promotion to the top flight in 2004.



This is no big deal. He's not leaving tomorrow. Like most coaches in Germany, I'm sure he dreams to coach one of the top clubs.

[robledo]

Matthias Abel will leave as well, but in 2006 on a free transfer to Schalke.

Isn't it illegal for clubs to sign a player unless he's in his final 6 months of his contract? :confused:

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Abel willing to make Schalke switch
Thursday, 30 June 2005

FC Schalke 04 have snapped up Mathias Abel from 1. FSV Mainz 05 although the defender will not move to the Arena AufSchalke until next year.

European chance
The 24-year-old has agreed a four-year contract from the start of the 2006/07 campaign and is available on a free transfer. Despite not being part of Schalke's forthcoming assault on the UEFA Champions League, Abel will be able to play for Mainz in the UEFA Cup, starting against FC MIKA of Armenia in the first qualifying round.

'Enormous potential'
"We regret his decision because we would have liked to keep him," said Mainz manager Christian Heidel. "We all hope he will continue his sensational development and don't doubt his commitment to the club." Meanwhile, Andreas Müller, Heidel's counterpart at Schalke, said: "He has got enormous potential and can become an extremely valuable player for us.

http://www.uefa.com/competitions/UCL/news/Kind=1/newsId=313171.html

[footyfan1]

Matthias Abel will leave as well, but in 2006 on a free transfer to Schalke.

Isn't it illegal for clubs to sign a player unless he's in his final 6 months of his contract? :confused:


It is illegal in every other major European country.

However, in Germany, the DFB retroactivally changed the "Tampering" rules to protect Bayern after Bayern were exposed as the cheaters they are beyond a shadow of a doubt by "Bild" back in 2000 and 2001.

In other words, the DFB eliminated the rules rather than punish Bayern for breaking them.

So now, it's a "legal free for all". The other clubs had an "understanding" to conduct themselves as if the rule were still in place, and until last year, Bayern were the only ones still breaking that understanding.

But now Schalke has become "Bayern Jr.".......