Indoor: penalty kick

[Sean_94]

I'm rather new to refereeing indoor soccer. I've read my league's house rules, but it is not clear what you do on certain types of penalty kicks.
Example:
Scramble in front of the goal. Ball trickles behind the goalkeeper. Forward is behind GK and is in position to tap the ball into the goal. GK, on the ground, reaches with both hands and grabs the forwards ankles, pulling him down, just as a defender toe-pokes the ball out of the penalty area.
What is the call?
I called penalty kick. Do I also show a blue or yellow for 2-minute penalty? Or would you go with red card for the GK and a 5-minute penalty?
In my judgment, if the GK had not yanked down the forward, the defender still might have made the clearance, therefore perhaps not a DOGSO. It was a bang-bang play. However, the GKs intent was never to play the ball. His play clearly was to stop any chance the forward had of scoring. So perhaps I should have gone a step further than just a PK.
I did not show a card to the GK. In retrospect, I feel I probably should have gone with PK, yellow card the GK, put a field player in the penalty box, and, if a goal was scored on the PK (which it did), then the player comes out of the box.
So, just what is the proper prodedure on PK fouls that deny scoring opportunities in indoor?
Thanks.

[boylanj64]

Well, it obviously depeds on your house rules, as most indoor leagues don't follow USSF/FIFA, but they are usually based on those more formalized laws, so using that as our basis, here is what I'd say:

You felt a defender had a shot at clearing the ball, so it was not DOGSO. However, clearly an intentional foul in your opinion, which makes it a professional foul: therefore, show a yellow to the goalie. Unless your league rules specifically state otherwise, this isn't hockey, and the goalie can sit out his yellow card like anyone else.

However, if the goalie is beat and a defender is left, it is still DOGSO, because the attacker now has just one defender between him and goal, just as if he were taken down from behind with the goalie still to beat. From your description, I'd say it sounds like this may be the case, in which case a red would be necessary, and send the goalie packing.

[o5iiawah]

Well, it obviously depeds on your house rules, as most indoor leagues don't follow USSF/FIFA, but they are usually based on those more formalized laws, so using that as our basis, here is what I'd say:

You felt a defender had a shot at clearing the ball, so it was not DOGSO. However, clearly an intentional foul in your opinion, which makes it a professional foul: therefore, show a yellow to the goalie. Unless your league rules specifically state otherwise, this isn't hockey, and the goalie can sit out his yellow card like anyone else.

However, if the goalie is beat and a defender is left, it is still DOGSO, because the attacker now has just one defender between him and goal, just as if he were taken down from behind with the goalie still to beat. From your description, I'd say it sounds like this may be the case, in which case a red would be necessary, and send the goalie packing.

Agreed with all. One key word that a lot of people neglect is opportunity to score a goal. I would say that a forward, past a keeper with only one defender in front of him constitutes a goal scoring opportunity. The striker was in the process of rounding the keeper when he got tripped up. Had he not, who knows. I'd say a red is the call.

[aevange8]

Without looking at the indoor rules it is tough to say if DOGSO is even an option.

Where I ref a DOGSO is a PK or 1 on 1 shootout with the goalkeeper, plus usually a blue card (it isn't set in stone.) Usually I give the blue card and if they score the ensuing kick the penalty is off. If not the team plays up for the next 2 minutes. Seems to make things fair. Only if the foul was severe would I consider the additional sanction of a yellow or red card.

btw...these are mostly recreational adult games, nothing overly competitive

[refereejoe]

It has been some time, but on the issue of time penalties:

1 blue = 2 minute power play until goal
2 blues = 1 yellow = 4 minute power play until goal
3 blues = 1 red = send off = 5 minute power play infinite goals

So if you issue a blue, the player sits 2 minutes. If you issue a 2nd blue, the player is shown the blue, then the yellow, and sits 2 minutes. If the player is shown a direct yellow, it is the equivalent of earning 2 blues and thus sits 4 minutes.

Regarding a shootout vs. a PK:

If a foul is committed during a break away or to prevent a clear scoring opportunity, a shootout is awarded. During the shootout if the goalkeeper fouls the attacker, a penalty kick is awarded. I've not officiated in any arena where the penalty kick is awarded from a foul during the normal flow of play.

The issuance of a time penalty in conjunction with the shootout is at the referee's discretion depending on the severity of the foul. Most offenses will warrant a 2 minute penalty, with the player returning if the shootout is converted. In 15 years of officiating I've only given one direct yellow for a foul in indoor soccer -- usually it's either blue or red -- so I can't really make a recommendation on that.

Again, this all depends on your house rules. The arenas I've officiated at all conform fairly well to the US Indoor rules, but there's been a couple with rules that are completely different than anything I'd seen elsewhere.

[chrisrun]

Well, it obviously depeds on your house rules, as most indoor leagues don't follow USSF/FIFA.

This is the case with most indoor places. You really need to read their rules. Often you will find that they aren't complete, just "We follow FIFA rules except for this..." This of course leads to questions and confusion as contradictions between FIFA rules and house exceptions crop up.

When reffing MISL, we used the USSF Indoor rules, were the DOGSO is a red concept isn't used. Penalty kick or shootout, depending on where on the field it occurred, and usually a blue card.

USSF Indoor Rules (http://images.ussoccer.com/Documents/cms/ussf/doc_6_483.pdf)

[Sean_94]

Unless your league rules specifically state otherwise, this isn't hockey, and the goalie can sit out his yellow card like anyone else.

Our house rules don't seem to indicate whether the GK serves his penalty or not. I'll double check. But, if the GK serves the 2 minutes, does that mean when the penalty is over I've got 2 players on the same team with a GK shirt?
What do I do then?

[Sean_94]

Agreed with all. One key word that a lot of people neglect is opportunity to score a goal. I would say that a forward, past a keeper with only one defender in front of him constitutes a goal scoring opportunity. The striker was in the process of rounding the keeper when he got tripped up. Had he not, who knows. I'd say a red is the call.

Well, it wasn't a breakway where the forward went around the GK. It was a scramble around the net, a crowd of players, where the forward happened to be behind the GK when the ball trickled back to him, then the GK reached to grab his ankle. So, if it's DOGSO, it's not the typical DOGSO you'd see in outdoor. More like a potential garbage goal.
So, would that change your interpretation of the rules?
Since it was more of a scramble in front of the goal, yet still a professional foul, I would hesitate to do red.
What say you?

BTW, our house rules are:
blue = 2 minutes
yellow = still 2 minutes.
red = 5 minutes, but our rules say any goal ends any penalty, so no infinite goals like in hockey.
Cards start with blue and automatically progress upward by at least one if you commit a cardable offense. But you can start with yellow, or red, such as DOGSO.

[aevange8]

Regarding a shootout vs. a PK:

If a foul is committed during a break away or to prevent a clear scoring opportunity, a shootout is awarded. During the shootout if the goalkeeper fouls the attacker, a penalty kick is awarded. I've not officiated in any arena where the penalty kick is awarded from a foul during the normal flow of play.


I didn't really elaborate before but its a pk if the foul is in the penalty area.

If the foul is outside a shootout is given.

[Tarheel Ref]

Indoor is a "whole different animal" when compared to outdoor! Match control and safety of the players has to be a priority especially when the action gets a little heated up! Lots of contact if the rules allow it and much potential for injuries.... Calling it tight early is never, in my mind, a bad way to go for these games.........

[chrisrun]

Our house rules don't seem to indicate whether the GK serves his penalty or not. I'll double check. But, if the GK serves the 2 minutes, does that mean when the penalty is over I've got 2 players on the same team with a GK shirt?
What do I do then?

MISL rules: Field player sits in the penalty box with the GK. When the time penalty is over, field player enters the field. GK can enter the field at the next guaranteed substitution opportunity.

[aevange8]

Our house rules don't say anything about it, we usually let someone serve the penalty for the goalkeeper...but if we want them off to cool off nothing is stopping us.