Do you agree with the ref, in this case?

[tavasko7]

Ok, here is the situation. I'm in a game with my team. We're up, and big. I want to say around 7 or 8 to 0. The other team is still fighting for a goal(like they should be, nothing aganst that). The thing is they start getting a little dirty, I dont mind that, but with ten min. left down 8, whats the point, if it was 1-1 or 2-1 somthing like that, then hell yeah. It makes for a better game.

So like I said they start getting dirty, one of their guys, tackels our from the back, and its a pretty obvious foul, at least the player would get a yellow. The ref does not give him anything, and instead gives me a yellow for asking why. I was not really doing anything wrong, simple question. Tryed to get my other player to go away, so it would be like a little one on one conversation. Anyway's, he blows me off saying he does not want to hear it, we are up, and just to take it, and out comes the yellow.

Thoughts???

Getting the yellow did not really bother me, its not the first time. But what does is, that kind of thing can take a guy out of the game, it did not in this case but it could, not just the single game it self, but football overall, make it to where he can not play again, and he did not even have a word said to him.

So again, thoughts??? comments???

[Gary V]

We've only got your description of events. No one saw it. And you want us to say whether or not we agree with the ref's decision?

Obviously the referee felt there was no caution needed for the foul. And felt that your "one on one" was dissent. Story over.

[Wahoos1]

Weekend warrior games are the worst. No one is ever guilty of a foul except the guy that just tackled them. Everyone want to "let us play the game" except they want the ref to "call the foul sir!!"

They can never settle down once they heat up and end up needing more discipline than the youth big time leagues. These guys still think they have the bodies of 19 year olds but the reactions of the older guys they have become. The only thing they have increased is the sense of entitlement they have to argue with the refs. Everyone thinks they are entitled to a full discussion with the ref when they want the discussion but if the refs wants to talk with them they are walking away and arguing endlessly. This post is a case in point.

http://www.cvsasoccer.org/discipline.shtml

No youth league has anything close to this.

[njref]

Agree we can't judge the referees actions without having been there. But 8-0 games can often devolve if the referee does not keep a clamp on both dirty play and dissent.

[jkc313]

Ok, here is the situation. I'm in a game with my team. We're up, and big. I want to say around 7 or 8 to 0. The other team is still fighting for a goal(like they should be, nothing aganst that). The thing is they start getting a little dirty, I dont mind that, but with ten min. left down 8, whats the point, if it was 1-1 or 2-1 somthing like that, then hell yeah. It makes for a better game.

So like I said they start getting dirty, one of their guys, tackels our from the back, and its a pretty obvious foul, at least the player would get a yellow. The ref does not give him anything, and instead gives me a yellow for asking why. I was not really doing anything wrong, simple question. Tryed to get my other player to go away, so it would be like a little one on one conversation. Anyway's, he blows me off saying he does not want to hear it, we are up, and just to take it, and out comes the yellow.

Thoughts???

Getting the yellow did not really bother me, its not the first time. But what does is, that kind of thing can take a guy out of the game, it did not in this case but it could, not just the single game it self, but football overall, make it to where he can not play again, and he did not even have a word said to him.

So again, thoughts??? comments???

Thoughts? Keep your mouth shut and you won't find yourself being cautioned for dissent. Why question the referee? It's obvious he didn't see a foul or he would have called one. If getting cautioned didn't bother you, it speaks volumes as to your general attitude towards referees. I expect there will come a time when that second caution will indeed send you packing.

[nonya]

Thoughts? Keep your mouth shut and you won't find yourself being cautioned for dissent. Why question the referee? It's obvious he didn't see a foul or he would have called one. If getting cautioned didn't bother you, it speaks volumes as to your general attitude towards referees. I expect there will come a time when that second caution will indeed send you packing.

Agreed to some degree. As a player or coach, that is not your job. You aren't "sticking up" for your fellow player either by running your mouth, what you are doing is causing more chaos. If you are up by so much, the referee should not change what should be called and what should not be called but some referees do, however there are things you can do. Kick the ball out of bounds a lot to slow the game down and eat the clock. As a referee there is nothing that annoys me more than a blow out game that I have to babysit and micromanage because the losing team gets chippy and the winning team isn't mature enough to handle themselves, that is when my tolerance level for cards goes way down. If the play didn't involve you (or even if it did) keep your mouth shut and enjoy your win, your not a professional player but you can certainly act like one.

[boylanj64]

Agree with everyone else. I'll take the decision of the official on the field that it wasn't a foul, and in a blowout game there is really no need to argue about that.

[2wheels]

Agree we can't judge the referees actions without having been there. But ...

As a USSF referee, this would be unethcal. It behooves us, the referees, that our actions, both on- and off-field reflect credit upon the federation and its affiliates.

Any disagreement of other referee's action, being there notwithstanding, might be construed as promoting criticism of a fellow colleague. This is unethical, please read and understand USSF Pol 531-11. These guidelines clearly states that no statements be made about any games except to clarify an interpretation of the Laws. A forum such as this one provides us another privilege and a platform to communicate and educate honourably.

[tavasko7]

To a few though, its not like I was making any big deal, a simple question, and for the record let me get this right, cause it is exactly what just about every one of you have said, if I am ever loosing in a game, it is prefectly ok, to go and take out the other team......No problem.

Second, your saying you have not stick up for your our guy, well then what ever teams you have played on, what can I say it was not a very good team, cause on the squads that I play for, we are tight, and stick up for eachother. So in that case I feel bad for you, not playing with people who care.

*Mental Note: Its ok to cheat....As long as you are loosing.*

Got it, thanks for clearing that one up for me.

[Gary V]

*Mental Note: Its ok to cheat....As long as you are loosing.*

Got it, thanks for clearing that one up for me.Where did anyone say anything near that? One response noted that calls should be made against teams that are losing, but sometimes that doesn't happen. Not that it was OK for it to be that way.

Everyone else said that we can't decide based on what you alone say whether this was a good call or not.

[snolly g]

Ok, here is the situation. I'm in a game with my team. We're up, and big. I want to say around 7 or 8 to 0. The other team is still fighting for a goal(like they should be, nothing aganst that). The thing is they start getting a little dirty, I dont mind that, but with ten min. left down 8, whats the point, if it was 1-1 or 2-1 somthing like that, then hell yeah. It makes for a better game.

So like I said they start getting dirty, one of their guys, tackels our from the back, and its a pretty obvious foul, at least the player would get a yellow. The ref does not give him anything, and instead gives me a yellow for asking why. I was not really doing anything wrong, simple question. Tryed to get my other player to go away, so it would be like a little one on one conversation. Anyway's, he blows me off saying he does not want to hear it, we are up, and just to take it, and out comes the yellow.

Thoughts???

Getting the yellow did not really bother me, its not the first time. But what does is, that kind of thing can take a guy out of the game, it did not in this case but it could, not just the single game it self, but football overall, make it to where he can not play again, and he did not even have a word said to him.

So again, thoughts??? comments???

for the benefit of others, i would re-frame the question this way:

should the score influence how a referee calls a game? (for example, if a game becomes lop-sided, should a referee's pity for the losing team justify "letting a few calls go"?)

i can see the temptation to do so. based on the score, the game's over. but at the same time, the clock's still running, players are still playing and the opportunity to injure another person still exists. i would agree that a serious offense should still merit a caution or sending off. this is especially true in recreational games.

As a USSF referee, this would be unethcal. It behooves us, the referees, that our actions, both on- and off-field reflect credit upon the federation and its affiliates.

Any disagreement of other referee's action, being there notwithstanding, might be construed as promoting criticism of a fellow colleague. This is unethical, please read and understand USSF Pol 531-11. These guidelines clearly states that no statements be made about any games except to clarify an interpretation of the Laws. A forum such as this one provides us another privilege and a platform to communicate and educate honourably.

i don't think this really applies. the anonymity (of comments made here, of the game in question, of the referee officiating the game in question, etc.) essentially means we're talking about hypotheticals. since we're speaking hypothetically, any criticism offered here is not really a criticism of any particular referee, but rather a criticism of a hypothetical (unknown) referee. as such, this kind of criticism is essentially a clarification of rules and not "promotion of criticism".

[DadOf6]

*Mental Note: Its ok to cheat....As long as you are loosing.*

Got it, thanks for clearing that one up for me.

You misread. No one here has said not to call fouls against a team losing a blowout. One ref acknowledged that sometimes it happens, thet's all. Most everyone else agrees that we didn't see it and can't know if it is a foul or not.

The question I did hear was why argue calls late in a 7+ goal blowout that you are winning? It can make you look like the classic "sore winner."