Is the CCL profitable?

[AdamSoucie]

Is that the field turf stuff that's used in the NFL now? I know its a huge improvement over Astroturf, but will we see those litte black bits come flying up every time someone slides?

[Daniel from Montréal]

If so that wouldn't be much of a home field advantage since Montréal isn't used to the green rug either.

The Impact have prepared on artificial turf since January and will have had a solid 10 days of practice on the Big O's pitch, as well as being used to play competitive games in the USL on the surface. That won't be the case for Santos.

[AdamSoucie]

I'd also imagine that the turf isn't the craptacular rug that was Philly's Veterans Stadium back in the day. With as much publicity as this game has been getting, I have a hard time believing CONCACAF (let alone the Canadian Soccer/Football organizing body) would allow a subpar pitch for the most attended international club match in CONCACAF history.

[Daniel from Montréal]

It won't be Astroturf (80's), but a newer-generation turf (plastic blades and rubber pellets).

[SweetOwnGoal]

It's FieldTurf. Rather than a solid surface like the old stuff, FT has "blades" that attempt to mimic grass. The biggest issue with FT is that the surface isn't always even, so a home team can have an advantage if it knows where the "dead" areas of the pitch are.

Since the Impact are using FT that was designed for the CFL, expect the ball to be a little bouncier than you would see on soccer specific FT, which has longer blades.

[pc4th]

Does it really matter if its profitable? If CONCACAF didn't have a club championship, could they expect to get any respect in the rest of the world?

Yes, it matters. More revenue = more prize money = more teams taking it seriously.

No business can stay alive if it lose money year after year.

CONCACAF has had a club championship for decades now before the CCL. The CCL is just a restructure.

CCL: 63 matches thus far
344,421 (5,467 per match)

6,000 x $10 average ticket price = $60,000 revenue.
Travel cost of sending 20 people to and from = ?


Keep in mind that the old version have only 14 matches. Less travel. Much higher attendance.

2008 Champions' Cup:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CONCACAF_Champions%27_Cup_2008

Attendance:
22,250
14,348
21,897
23,000
35,846
33,000
6,985
12,394
10,260
23,112
18,642
17,329
22,500
30,000

I wouldn't be surprise if CONCACAF decides to scrap the CCL qualification to save money. Have 16 teams instead of 24 teams.

[Nazzer]

Yes, it matters. More revenue = more prize money = more teams taking it seriously.

No business can stay alive if it lose money year after year.

CONCACAF has had a club championship for decades now before the CCL. The CCL is just a restructure.

CCL: 63 matches thus far
344,421 (5,467 per match)

6,000 x $10 average ticket price = $60,000 revenue.
Travel cost of sending 20 people to and from = ?.

When CONCACAF announced the new formate for the CCL they also announced provisions for assisting the clubs with money for travel costs.

They are not specific about the details. The following is a quote from section 4.4 of the CONCACAF Champions LEague regulations which you can find at concacaf's website. http://concacaf.com/graphics/stats-regs/pdf/Regulations%20CONCACAF%20Champions%20Leaguev10.pdf It took me a total of a minute to open the concacaf site, find the regulations page, and search the word 'cost'.

CONCACAF shall pay to each away team a lump-sum payment, of an amount advised separately, per away game as a contribution to the costs of playing such away games. CONCACAF shall also reimburse the teams for specific expenses incurred on behalf of CONCACAF (e.g. Travel and Per Diems of the Match Commissioner, Referees and other CONCACAF designees). No other payments will be made by CONCACAF in respect of any costs incurred by teams participating in the CCL.

[Intru]

Inderectly it has made the Islanders money, the reson why theres no sponsor on the shirt, centennials deal ran out, now there a bidding war between MAPFRE, Sony, Medalla and Centennial to be the clubs mains sponsor.

[CBusCrew12]

It would be profitable if fans and teams took it seriously. It, for whatever reason, doesn't carry much importance to fans and some clubs. It should be as important to win as winning the league, just like Copa Libertadores and the UEFA Champions League are on their continents.

I think MLS is going to give a better showing in 09-10. For one, you won't have clubs playing in the CCC, SuperLiga, and/ or the CCL all in the same season. Fatigue and fitness was definitely a factor during qualifying and group stages.

I think Columbus and NYRB will put forth a much better effort to win. New England might as well have forfeited their matches last year. That was disgraceful and embarrassing. Houston, well, we'll see. DC United...I know giving the USOC winner an auto-bid gives it some importance, but it's a nancy competition. It's treated like the Carling Cup is. Teams don't really try until they make the quarter-finals or semi-finals depending on their competition. This can allow a weak team like DC to end up in the CCL, while a side like Chicago is left out. Hopefully teams start to take the USOC more seriously, otherwise it's just a bad idea to give the winner a bid.

[NYCockerel]

The CCL is probably not a great money-spinner for the clubs. Or for CONCACAF. At least not in year 1.
However, is IS a platform for commercial growth in the way the old CCC was not. The new event gives the participants in the Group Stage guaranteed games at home. They can sell ticket packages off that. The fact there are more games for TV means that now TV companies can build it in as part of their overall soccer schedule - so they will invest in it. Sponsors know they will have a certain number of games in certain markets - so it has a value to them.
Above all of this though, the improved competition will help drive improvements in soccer in the region in so many ways. Upgrading stadium facilities to meet minimum standards, more exposure to international football for match officials so they gain more experience. Teams playing against each other in different circumstances. Direct qualification (except for Caribbean) means leagues benefit from a real incentive at the end.
I have been surprised at how good this first year has been already and would expect to see reasonable amount of growth in years to come. A proper club tournament for CONCACAF.
Oh, and one final point. The CCL winner earns at least whatever FIFA pays the losing teams in the FIFA Club World Cup - more if the CONCACAF teams wins a game in that. So actually the "prize money" for the winner is pretty significant.

[gethomas3]

Has there been any figures shown to see whether it was profitable or not?

[MoRado]

well saprissa lost at least 30 million colones for not advancing to the second round :(

[gethomas3]

well saprissa lost at least 30 million colones for not advancing to the second round :(

I don't believe it is such a little amount. For example, in the final vs Pachuca, Saprissa made just over $200,000 or just over ₡ 103,587,000.

Assuming every game up to the final would be close to a sold-out (which actually happened in the KO stage of the CCC 2008) Saprissa lost, minimum, at least ₡ 310,000,000 or almost $ 600,000 :eek:

[MoRado]

I don't believe it is such a little amount. For example, in the final vs Pachuca, Saprissa made just over $200,000 or just over ₡ 103,587,000.

Assuming every game up to the final would be close to a sold-out (which actually happened in the KO stage of the CCC 2008) Saprissa lost, minimum, at least ₡ 310,000,000 or almost $ 600,000 :eek:

yeah u r right, I meant to put 130 million (stadium tix+ CONCACAF $$)

[pc4th]

No idea about if it's profitable or not. But here's the attendance number.

2008-09 Champions League
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008-09_CONCACAF_Champions_League

77 matches total: 539,397 (7,005 per match)

2008 Champions' Cup
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CONCACAF_Champions%27_Cup_2008

14 matches total: 291,563 (20,826 per match)

Beside ticket revenues, the other two major revenue sources are sponsorship and tv.

Who are the major sponsors of this tournament? Who are the major TV partners of this tournament? (FSC in the US is one I know from the top of my head).

Good news is that it will still have 24 teams for 09-10 edition.

[anewsoccerfan]

Would CCL be profitable if these were the teams?:

Mexico: CF América, CD Guadalajara, Cruz Azul, U.N.A.M.
USA: New York Red Bulls, LA Galaxy, Chicago Fire, Houston Dynamo
Costa Rica: CD Saprissa, LD Alajuelense
El Salvador: CD FAS, CD Águila
Guatemala: CSD Municipal, CSD Comunicaciones
Honduras: CD Olimpia, CD Marathón
Panama: Tauro FC, Plaza Amador
Belize: FC Belize
Canada: Toronto FC
Nicaragua: Diriangén FC
CFU:
Jamaica: Harbour View FC
Puerto Rico: Puerto Rico Islanders
Trinidad & Tabago: San Juan Jabloteh

[City Dave]

What's your point?

[pc4th]

What's your point?

If the tournament is a failure financially, it will be reduced.

If the tournament is a success financially, the prize money will be better. Bigger prize money means that club soccer will develop faster in CONCACAF. Team X and Y will use the prize money and develop their infrastructure (better stadium, youth team etc...). For many teams, $250,000 will go a long way.

http://www.rsssf.com/tablesa/asiarank08.html

This is how AFC decides the allocation of Champions Leagues spot. Base on professionalism of their leagues.

n 2008, the AFC compiled a so-called AFC Final Assessment Ranking to determine participation in their prime club tournament, the AFC Champions League, in 2009.

This ranking, in which 500 points could be obtained, was compiled of 10 different criteria, as follows:

Description Maximal Points

1. Organisation 20
2. Technical Standard 100
3. Attendance 100
4. Governance/Soundness 50
5. Marketing/Promotion 20
6. Business Scale 100
7. Game Operation 20
8. Media 20
9. Stadia 20
10. Clubs 50




Overall Ranking

Rk Country Points

1.Japan 470.1
2.South Korea 438.0
3.China 414.8
4.Saudi Arabia 359.0
5.UAE 349.3
6.Iran 336.4
7.Australia 306.0
8.Indonesia 286.5
9.Singapore 237.1
10.Syria 228.8
11.Uzbekistan 228.7
12.Qatar 226.4
13.Thailand 212.5
14.Jordan 211.8
15.Vietnam 210.7
16.Kuwait 203.3
17.India 199.1
18.Malaysia 178.8
19.Hongkong 148.0
20.Oman 139.9
21.Bahrain 138.6



those that did well get 4 spots. Those that failed get a playoff spot and the hope that they will improve in the next 3 years (where another assessment will take place).