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elgambitero
26 Nov 2008, 12:48 AM
Not sure if you guys have seen this yet.

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Two simultaneous yellows.

scref
26 Nov 2008, 08:24 AM
I am going to have to purchase a second yellow and carry it with and try that. He had pretty good timing and technique on that. :)

Sachsen
26 Nov 2008, 09:53 AM
Hilarious! :D

I like how he checked both pockets while players were milling around, making sure he had a card in each one. Getting ready for "the show".

The announcer is pretty funny too - on the replay: "and one more time, my dear Cardfriends... does he also have two red cards? or a third yellow somewhere? Oh my!"

Ref Flunkie
26 Nov 2008, 12:21 PM
Oooo, I like that one....may have to try it :).

DadOf6
26 Nov 2008, 02:08 PM
Attacker shoots on goal and a defender swats that ball with his hand but only deflects it off the crossbar and into the net.

Then he runs past the area and loudly describes the referee with vile and insulting language.

What are the mechanics? One yellow in the left hand, one yellow in the right hand, and a red in his mouth?

andymoss
26 Nov 2008, 02:20 PM
I am so going to have to find an opportunity to do that!

Another NH Ref
26 Nov 2008, 02:23 PM
I am so going to have to find an opportunity to do that!

But be sure you practice in a mirror first. He obviously did! :D

keeper1031
26 Nov 2008, 03:02 PM
wonder how long he had that one planned before he could actually do it lol.

But serious question; player hacks down a opponent, ref plays advantage and will card him when the ball goes out of play. Before that happens, he commits another yellow card worthy foul. How do you handle it? straight red, show yellow twice? give only one yellow?

Ref Flunkie
26 Nov 2008, 03:18 PM
wonder how long he had that one planned before he could actually do it lol.

But serious question; player hacks down a opponent, ref plays advantage and will card him when the ball goes out of play. Before that happens, he commits another yellow card worthy foul. How do you handle it? straight red, show yellow twice? give only one yellow?

If you want to caution for both, you do one yellow first (I would do some sort of point or signal to the general area of the first misconduct), and then I believe you show the red (while again indicating the second misconduct location). IIRC, you do not show yellow, yellow, red.....just yellow, red.

Marko72
26 Nov 2008, 03:18 PM
But be sure you practice in a mirror first. He obviously did! :D

Totally. "I've been waiting my whole life for this moment!"

indybar
26 Nov 2008, 09:35 PM
What did the player who had the ball kicked at done wrong?

Sachsen
26 Nov 2008, 09:38 PM
What did the player who had the ball kicked at done wrong?

Looked like simulation. Guy might have been Italian.

boylanj64
26 Nov 2008, 10:39 PM
Looked like simulation. Guy might have been Italian.

No, I'm pretty sure it was given for encroachment. I like the technique, but if you determine the kick was intentionally meant to hit an opponent, the only way I can see that sold as USB, FIFA is pretty clear that has to be red for striking (VC).

boylanj64
26 Nov 2008, 10:43 PM
If you want to caution for both, you do one yellow first (I would do some sort of point or signal to the general area of the first misconduct), and then I believe you show the red (while again indicating the second misconduct location). IIRC, you do not show yellow, yellow, red.....just yellow, red.

Totally wrong, and you'd get in trouble for that. In almost all leagues, suspensions are based on accumulated cards; showing a yellow then red is recorded as +1 YC, +1 RC. However, this player has committed no red card offense! You must show yellow, then lower the yellow, raise it again, then bring out the red. This will be properly accumulated as 2 YC, and in a game played under NFHS rules would affect whether a team must play down.

billf
27 Nov 2008, 11:26 AM
Totally wrong, and you'd get in trouble for that. In almost all leagues, suspensions are based on accumulated cards; showing a yellow then red is recorded as +1 YC, +1 RC. However, this player has committed no red card offense! You must show yellow, then lower the yellow, raise it again, then bring out the red. This will be properly accumulated as 2 YC, and in a game played under NFHS rules would affect whether a team must play down.

RF is right. If one player commits two bookable offenses at the same time, the USSF directive has been to show one yellow and then the red. You would then report two cautions and the send off on the report. You would obviously need to communicate verbally so the players know what happened but the report would be clear.

The player in question did commit a red card offense, he accumulated two cautions.

refmedic
27 Nov 2008, 01:14 PM
I don't know. The USSF directive may be to show 1 yellow and then the red, but that can be confusing to everyone around, especially since the proper way to issue a 2CT is to show yellow first, and then red, and all the coaches and players expect it. I'm going to point to the area of the first foul, and go up with the yellow, then take the card down, then point to the spot of the second foul, and show the yellow again, followed by the red. Of course, you have to explain things as you're doing it loudly enough so everyone around understands you. The result will be the same (player going off), and you won't have to spend a few minutes explaining the second caution send-off with only 1 yellow to the coach, and depending on the circumstances, the assessor afterwards, because that may be the first time they have ever heard of it.

You could always make a small modification to that German referee with 1 yellow in each hand and hold up 2 yellows in the same hand once, followed by the red.

Ref Flunkie
27 Nov 2008, 02:31 PM
RF is right. If one player commits two bookable offenses at the same time, the USSF directive has been to show one yellow and then the red. You would then report two cautions and the send off on the report. You would obviously need to communicate verbally so the players know what happened but the report would be clear.

The player in question did commit a red card offense, he accumulated two cautions.

Woo hoo, I knew my brain was able to retain a few of the things I have heard in the past.

Gary V
27 Nov 2008, 07:09 PM
The second paragraph of Advice 12.27 (2007) seems to say you show Y, Y, R:
Every caution must be given for one and only one of the seven reasons listed in Law 12. Player behavior, of course, may involve several forms of misconduct at the same time and the referee must decide whether to caution each one separately (in which case, the second caution must also be followed by a send-off and display of the red card) or to issue a single caution for the total behavior. If the latter is chosen, the referee must decide which specific reason in the Law will be reported as the basis for the caution. In either case, however, the referee should fully describe in the game report all misconduct the player has committed in addition to the misconduct for which the caution was given.

Also
12.30 HOW TO ADMINISTER THE SEND-OFF FOR A SECOND CAUTION
A player (or substitute) who receives a second caution must first be shown the yellow card for the second caution and then must be shown the red card for the sending-off offense. The second caution leading to dismissal from the field can occur at any time during the match (including the half time interval, additional periods of play, and kicks from the penalty mark). The accepted procedure is to display the cards in sequence, not at the same time.
(emphasis mine in both quotes)

refmedic
27 Nov 2008, 09:08 PM
The second paragraph of Advice 12.27 (2007) seems to say you show Y, Y, R:


Also

(emphasis mine in both quotes)


Sorry, I should have noted my "sarcasm added" with regard to holding 2 cards up at once. I was trying to make a funny as an offshoot to the one card in each hand thing.

Guy Fawkes
27 Nov 2008, 09:16 PM
RF is right. If one player commits two bookable offenses at the same time, the USSF directive has been to show one yellow and then the red. You would then report two cautions and the send off on the report. You would obviously need to communicate verbally so the players know what happened but the report would be clear.

The player in question did commit a red card offense, he accumulated two cautions.

I don't understand this; what if the player commits a yellow card offense then a red card offense? Once again, a referee should, I assume, present a yellow, then a red for the straight red. How can one differentiate between that scenario and the one described?

As far as the two yellows at the same time, I think it's pretty showmany and unnecessary. Looks a bit like the ref is trying to get himself some attention. Not his job, and not extremely respectable behavior in my opinion.