View Full Version : Referee Mike Riley to Review Cisse Suspension
SoccerPsycho
19 Aug 2002, 12:07 PM
The Ref has said he will look at the video and see if the decision was wrong, but if he takes back his decision, how many other suspensions will be called into question?
Article: http://www.soccernet.com/england/news/2002/0819/20020819bcfccisse.html
pkCrouse
19 Aug 2002, 02:01 PM
If anyone is going to have the authority to conduct a post-game review, I guess I would have to say that it makes sense for it to be the referee himself. In theory, if the video shows him a different view than he had on the field of play, he is the best person to add that additional information to what he had already seen and then decide if it changes his opinion. Much better than some third party (who doesn't have the benefit of what the referee saw and heard and felt from his unique perspective on the pitch) replacing their opinion for that of the referee. If, upon review the referee did change his opinion, it would take a pretty big man to reverse himself. At best, half the peanut gallery would hail him as a brave soul who placed truth and accuracy ahead of personal ego. The other half would use it as an excuse to protest the results of the match and would cite it as proof that all of the referee's calls should be reviewed. Still seems like a no-win situation, but better than a kangaroo court.
Greyhnd00
19 Aug 2002, 04:42 PM
Originally posted by SoccerPsycho
The Ref has said he will look at the video and see if the decision was wrong, but if he takes back his decision, how many other suspensions will be called into question?
Article: http://www.soccernet.com/england/news/2002/0819/20020819bcfccisse.html All of a top level referees tough decisions are questioned whether it is official or otherwise. I suspect the reff agreed to this to shut the coach up. You can argue with someone who refuses to argue.
BrianCappellieri
19 Aug 2002, 04:51 PM
Hopefully the decision will be overturned. It was a horrible call, Cole really made a meal of it. There wasn't even any contact on the second yellow.
MassachusettsRef
19 Aug 2002, 05:11 PM
Originally posted by Greyhnd00
I suspect the reff agreed to this to shut the coach up. Actually, these types of reviews have happened several times a year recently in the EPL, and a good number of them have resulted in the ref altering his earlier judgement. Riley isn't looking at this merely to "shut the coach up". It's just a guess, but I'd say that if he is looking at it, he's probably going to overturn it. I can only remember a few instances where referees have agreed to "look" at decisions and then stick by them. At this point, after the match, it's almost certain that Riley has already seen the play on replay and has made up his mind as to whether or not he'll change his call. If he were to stick by the call, it would be more likely that he'd refuse to "review" it.
In my opinion, this procedure, where the referee agrees to use video evidence to look at his own call on send offs, is much better than review by a disciplinary committee. With this system, refs can agree that they were incorrect, or, they may believe that the video doesn't show exactly what they saw (call it the "Baharmast WC98" syndrome). Either way, the decision is still in the ref's hands.
Greyhnd00
19 Aug 2002, 11:33 PM
Originally posted by MassachusettsRef
Actually, these types of reviews have happened several times a year recently in the EPL, and a good number of them have resulted in the ref altering his earlier judgement. Riley isn't looking at this merely to "shut the coach up". It's just a guess, but I'd say that if he is looking at it, he's probably going to overturn it. I can only remember a few instances where referees have agreed to "look" at decisions and then stick by them. At this point, after the match, it's almost certain that Riley has already seen the play on replay and has made up his mind as to whether or not he'll change his call. If he were to stick by the call, it would be more likely that he'd refuse to "review" it.
In my opinion, this procedure, where the referee agrees to use video evidence to look at his own call on send offs, is much better than review by a disciplinary committee. With this system, refs can agree that they were incorrect, or, they may believe that the video doesn't show exactly what they saw (call it the "Baharmast WC98" syndrome). Either way, the decision is still in the ref's hands. If he believes he made a mistake and the video difinitively proves it then bravo to the reff for being man enough to say so........
SoccerPsycho
20 Aug 2002, 12:43 PM
Well here's hoping there's no change ;) Call me selfish, but their next game is against Leeds.
Ismitje
20 Aug 2002, 12:52 PM
Sorry, SoccerPsycho, the suspension is lifted:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/2204613.stm
Upon further review, the referee deems the tackle careless instead of reckless.
SoccerPsycho
20 Aug 2002, 01:08 PM
I just read that. Grrr! Oh well, we can still pull off the win, Cisse or no Cisse.
Jeff L
20 Aug 2002, 01:55 PM
The referee has now "reviewed" this incident and has recinded the red card. There has been a lot of press coverage over this matter, all unfavourable to Andy Cole.
The referee has agreed that there was "contact" but has now decided it was "minimal" and just worthy of a free kick and not a second yellow. "The Power of Press".
Who next?
dogface
20 Aug 2002, 02:01 PM
[i] There has been a lot of press coverage over this matter, all unfavourable to Andy Cole.
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Seems terribly unfair to blame Andy Cole since he only shares a last name with Ashley Cole.
BrianCappellieri
20 Aug 2002, 03:02 PM
Ananova (http://www.ananova.com/sport/soccer/story/sm_654097.html?menu=sport.football)Ref rescinds Cisse sending-off
Birmingham midfielder Aliou Cisse has had his sending-off rescinded by referee Mike Riley following his dismissal at Arsenal on Sunday.
Jeff L
20 Aug 2002, 06:19 PM
I am a "Gooner" as it states. Therefore offering some "protection" to Ashley. Maybe now that ANDY Cole is no longer at Man. United, the press might actually "go for it" and print something untoward, bearing in mind that Man. Utd. NEVER get bad press.
(Either that or my typing went a little haywire!!!!).