CR Vasco da Gama [R]

[BrianCappellieri]

Soccer365 (http://www.soccer365.com/US_home/CONMEBOL/page_34_38496.shtml)BEBETO RETURNS TO VASCO FOR FINAL SEASON

1994 world champion Bebeto has signed on for one last go around with Vasco da Gama.

The diminutive, yet productive striker will end his illustrious career with the São Januário side.

[Playable Back]

interesting....but old news:
http://www.soccerage.com/en/13/g8313.html

[BrianCappellieri]

That particular article was put up the day I posted it.

[Playable Back]

Which was 3 or 4 days after the article I posted.

No matter....here's some new info on the situation.
http://www.soccerage.com/en/13/h0220.html

Appears he may be headed to Saudi Arabia.

[Norskie]

I watched Vasco da Gama and Flamengo play on Fox Sports World on approximately March 1 (it may have been tape delayed).

Can anyone give me the names of the goal scorers?

[Bandeirante]

Vasco 1 (Wellington)
Flamengo 1 (Ze Carlos)

[ruudboy]

Why does everyone hate on this team, I have a couple of friends from Sao Paulo, and they always get mad when i say i like Vasco.They are the only team i have seen with my own eyes, and i like the way they play, I even got a shirt of them.My friends have given me their reasons, I wanna hear your opinion on what makes you hate them, if you like Vasco, tell me why I shouldn't believe the hype.

All I know of Vasco is the way they play, no politics, history , no nothing, please help a brotha out.

[Ombak]

Bacalhau

Seriously though. The number one reason to hate Vasco da Gama goes beyond rivalries and tradition.

Caixa d'Agua, Eurico Miranda.

Even Vasco fans are forced to hate themselves because of these men.

[ruudboy]

Hahahaah, the Miranda guy always comes up, who are the other kats?

[eugene]

Although traditionally associated with colonia portuguesa of Brasil, Vasco is credited with being the first major Brasilian team to include blacks in the team.

The whole race/nationality thing in Rio futebol is tricky. In the 20's Vasco was kicked out of the Rio league obstensively because its players were paid, full time professionals at a time when Rio futebol was still in its "Chariots of Fire" epoch of amatuerism. Teams like Fla, Botafogo and Fluminense were very much institutions for young elites, "gentlemen" who were educated by day and weekend warriors playing in the Rio league. professionals (they are called "playboyzinhos" in today's Rio!) Was Vasco kicked out for professionalism or because of the black players?????

So two leagues were formed, with Fla, Flu, Bota and a few lackeys trailing behind. Vasco was joined in another Rio league by teams like Bangu, a club located in an industrial suburb by the same name who from what I've read was THE first team to have blacks (as early as 1905). Vasco even went out and built their Sao Januario grounds, which was the biggest stadium in Brasil prior to the contruction of Maracana. That made the "Vasco" league financially viable and eventually a peace was declared and the big clubs reunited.

Ironically, despite its aristocratic origins and earlier less than egalitarian racial attitudes, Flamengo went on to become "the team of the Morro" (favelas i.e. poor blacks).

In chapter 5 of Ruy Casto's book on Flamengo, "O Vermelho e o Negro", the 1925 season was seen pivotal to all this. The Rio league that year was seen (from Castro's flamenguista view) as a battle between the Portuguese colonialists and their mercenaries (Vasco) and the "real" Brasilian patriots and "pure" amatuers (Fla). Vasco eventually won the Carioca that year, but Fla defeated Vasco in an epic battle in Flu's Laranjeras stadium to up hold the National Honor. Castro's take on all this is certainly interesting, but i get the feeling it is a bit, eh, "selective" (i.e. revisionist) in its rendition . :-)

I could not possibly support Vasco for one reason: Eurico Miranda. This ************ bag should be behind bars (preferably in Bangu I where he would feel right at ome with all the other traficantes) just for his role iin the scandalous goings-on in the 2000 Brasilian championship final x Sao Caetano. I am quite sure there would be a million other dirty deeds on his part that added up would put him before a firing squad. Just read Alex Bello's book "Futebol: The Brasilian Way of Life" and you will see.

I imagine that Vascainos stick with the team despite Miranda out a a genetically-based loyalty (plus the fact that no club in Rio has clean hands!) But for sleaziness Miranda is in a galaxy of his own.

Eugene

[MIGkiller]

All non-Vasco da Gama fans agree: the reason why Vasco is hated not only in Rio, but throughout Brazil, is because of their boss Eurico Miranda. He has that typical mafioso attitude, and his looks make him remember Jabba the Hutt. :D

You could also point a minnor factor that Vasco is a home for well-known brazilian troublemakers and dandies of the likes of Edmundo, Romário and Marcelinho Carioca.

[Alex_1]

Originally posted by MIGkiller
All non-Vasco da Gama fans agree: the reason why Vasco is hated not only in Rio, but throughout Brazil, is because of their boss Eurico Miranda. He has that typical mafioso attitude, and his looks make him remember Jabba the Hutt. :D

You could also point a minnor factor that Vasco is a home for well-known brazilian troublemakers and dandies of the likes of Edmundo, Romário and Marcelinho Carioca.

Wow. Marcelinho Carioca... blast from the past. Vasco has been a haven for the most recent biggest idiots in Brazilian football. From the top to the bottom. Organization to players, to fans (to an extent). And not coincidentally, I do blame them for some of those guy's downfalls. No discipline, and how can you practice it with scum at the top of the food chain? How many people cringed when they saw Romario leave Flamengo to Vasco?

Vasco is a club that has greatly contributed to giving Brazilian football a bad name in recent years.

[MIGkiller]

Originally posted by Alex_1
Wow. Marcelinho Carioca... blast from the past. Vasco has been a haven for the most recent biggest idiots in Brazilian football. From the top to the bottom. Organization to players, to fans (to an extent). And not coincidentally, I do blame them for some of those guy's downfalls. No discipline, and how can you practice it with scum at the top of the food chain? How many people cringed when they saw Romario leave Flamengo to Vasco?

Vasco is a club that has greatly contributed to giving Brazilian football a bad name in recent years.

Heh, Alex. Do you think it's just a coincidence that the worst times in brazilian football (98-01) meet the years when Vasco reigned in the national scene? ;)

[ruudboy]

Damn, as a Brotha, I love the fact they were the first to have Blacks and proved to Brasil that they will always have brothas and win with brothas, they just sound like the Dallas Cowboys, good lookin out homies!

[ruudboy]

Because of all of the scandals and rep of the owner Miranda, do they have a big supporter's group, I ask because i have never met a fan of Vasco's.

[MIGkiller]

http://revistatrip.uol.com.br/saladadin/imagens/euricomiranda.jpg http://revistatrip.uol.com.br/saladadin/imagens/jabba].jpg

[bichodomatojim]

Vasco, Vasco, Vasco !!!!

Yes, Eurico Sucks! He's a greedy manipulative high profile character. Always in the press, but somehow he manages to sign great players, and Vasco constantly introduces good young talent.

It's funny how fans of Flamengo, Corinthians, and many other Brazilian teams tend to care more that Vasco looses than if their own team wins. I've met 3 younger brazilians here in the US, one from Fortaleza(fan of Flamengo), one from Sao Paulo(Corinthians & Flamengo ??), and one from Recife(Sport & Flamengo). All of them for some reason hated vasco more than they liked their own teams! They always ragged on the players, the attitudes, Etc. But when one of the Vasco Players goes to play for Flamengo (Romario, Felipe, Juninho Paulista) That player now becomes the best ?

It's beautiful. To be a fan of a "hated" team. I had many people try to convert me, or couldn't understand Why I liked Vasco when I visited Rio a few months ago. The team goes through low points, like all teams. And Vasco works hard like all the others.

Romario: definitly one the the "bad boys", but I still know few players that can react like he can inside the box. Like an article I read a few years back Half of Romario on your time is better than 80 % of the other Strikers in the world. This was after Vasco thrashed Flamengo 5 x 1 2001 Brasileiro 10 June. Romario knocked 3 goals in while injured.

Edmundo: exciting player to watch, super explosive and really makes a lot happen, for himself and others. He has a temper and a short fuse, but that adds excitement to the game !! By far one of my favorite players of all time !!

Marcelinho Carioca: although currently injured, like Edmundo, is by far one the the best free kick takers in the world. Awesome, and he's very quick and crafty on the field.

Great players have always come out of Vasco: Juninho Pernabucano, Juninho Paulista, Felipe, Roberto Dinamite, Bebeto, the list goes on.

Don't let other people discourage you. If anything it should make you more of fan. And why should you hate a club so much, just because of it's current President ?? A club is about the fans, the players, and the game !! Vasco has a great fan base and a great productive history. Vasco may not have as high a number of fans as Flamengo, but the fans rock!

if you read some portuguese check out these sites:

www.netvasco.com.br

www.casaca.com.br

Oh, look out for a run soon in the Brasiliero, Vasco has been hit by a terrible onslaught of injures(like San Jose this past weekend), But Edmundo and Marcelinho should be ready by the end of June. Just in time to make a run for the championship

[Alex_1]

You wish! :p Only time I care about Vasco is if they make it to play the Paulista selections - or their players are representing the CBF. There's a reason why some of Vasco's "biggest stars" have been ostricized by the Selecao.

Yup. The same Vasco that said he was "too short when he was starting out? After kicking ass at Olaria, then Vasco said "better to have him here to develop" and didn't start really playing him until the mid eighties.

I don't really hate Vasco. Sometimes they are an exciting team to watch. But I do hate their organization, and some of their players are simply idiots. Ordinarily it would be easy to say that is an opinion, but let's face it - that is the reality. Romario, Edmundo, Carioca (this is just recently...) Everyone of those guys falls out with their managers. Here or abroad.

[ruudboy]

Thanks, bichodomatojim

[F Cunha III]

I am a fan of Vasco da Gama, could be is because of the roots of the team