View Full Version : Stadium Renderings Released!!
JohnnyRanger
06 Nov 2008, 03:41 PM
http://www.whitecapsfc.com/archive/feature11060801.aspx
I think it looks awesome!
TrepX
06 Nov 2008, 04:37 PM
get rid of the turf and go grass or vancouver will never be in the mls
Johnnie Monster
06 Nov 2008, 05:29 PM
get rid of the turf and go grass or vancouver will never be in the mls
Yes... because TFC has been such an abysmal failure, and Seattle is really struggling to sell season tickets. :rolleyes:
This rendering is actually surprisingly crappy, IMHO, but the layout is very interesting.
The photo reflects 22,000 capacity. The "wall" at the back is a curtain to be removed to increase size when needed.
Looks like we have terraces / standing platforms on the corners, plus a terrace / bar at the back end.
Also uses a sub-roof extending out over Level 1 to retain crowd noise and mask off Level 2.
Very interesting....
Krammerhead
06 Nov 2008, 07:19 PM
Yes the rendering is crappy. Those corners with people standing on boxes looks godawful, as does the bar at the back end. It's fine to have a VIP section at one end for USL soccer at Swangard, but it looks minor league.
mednus
06 Nov 2008, 08:52 PM
It's fine to have a VIP section at one end for USL soccer at Swangard, but it looks minor league.
Toronto's MINOR league stadium has a patio at one end!
athletics68
06 Nov 2008, 09:55 PM
Very interesting design. And very versitile too. Vancouver would actually have a reasonably good SSS sized stadium when the roof is lowered and for big games/CFL games they could just pull it up and the stadium has 59,000 seats. This is actually better than Qwest in many ways. And best of all either way it gets rid of the marshmellow roof BC Place has now. All in all not a bad backup plan now that the waterfront stadium seems doubtful. Vancouver just got stronger in it's bid IMO. Congrats guys.
http://soccerstadiumdigest.com.ismmedia.com/ISM3/std-content/repos/Top/News/bc_place_2.jpg
Krammerhead
06 Nov 2008, 10:26 PM
Toronto's MINOR league stadium has a patio at one end!
Yes, and it looks ugly and minor league. Patios should be attached to houses and bars/restaurants. Not inside pro sports stadiums.
PG Tips
07 Nov 2008, 03:36 AM
I'm guessing in the foreground of the picture with that hospitality/modular set-up, is to take up some of the space of the CFL "end-zones". Same with the staging at the other end with the draping/curtain and to cover up the opening that goes through that part of the stadium for vehicles/convention materials. See pic below.
The hospitality crap down that one side has to go. But this is just a render so lots could change. The main thing is that the Government of British Columbia(Pavco) and the Caps are dead serious about bringing a franchise here. They're not going to all this trouble and investment and millions($200m) if they aren't serious. Yes, CFL is using this as well but Pavco certainly are going the whole nine yards. I think Vancouver has just moved up the bid list now.
http://i38.tinypic.com/somgck.jpg
TO2988
07 Nov 2008, 04:08 AM
Very interesting design. And very versitile too. Vancouver would actually have a reasonably good SSS sized stadium when the roof is lowered and for big games/CFL games they could just pull it up and the stadium has 59,000 seats. This is actually better than Qwest in many ways. And best of all either way it gets rid of the marshmellow roof BC Place has now. All in all not a bad backup plan now that the waterfront stadium seems doubtful. Vancouver just got stronger in it's bid IMO. Congrats guys.
http://soccerstadiumdigest.com.ismmedia.com/ISM3/std-content/repos/Top/News/bc_place_2.jpg
Why is the roof so low? Can they inflate the roof for soccer then deflate it for football?
canuck51
07 Nov 2008, 04:16 AM
Why is the roof so low? Can they inflate the roof for soccer then deflate it for football?
I have absolutely no idea of the engineering or mechanics of how it will work, or if there's other stadiums in the world like it, but my understanding is that they'll be able to lower the roof down, so that just the lower bowl is covered and you wont even be able to tell that there is an upper bowl, and then for Lions games or big matches they can raise it up so it's above the upper bowl, covering the whole stadium.
athletics68
07 Nov 2008, 11:41 AM
I have absolutely no idea of the engineering or mechanics of how it will work, or if there's other stadiums in the world like it, but my understanding is that they'll be able to lower the roof down, so that just the lower bowl is covered and you wont even be able to tell that there is an upper bowl, and then for Lions games or big matches they can raise it up so it's above the upper bowl, covering the whole stadium.That's my understanding as well. It's actually ingenious. It makes the stadium small and intimate when wanted and allows it to remain large that is needed. Unlike Qwest for instance or the other NFL stadiums where the empty seats just sit there empty and mocking.
Johnnie Monster
07 Nov 2008, 12:06 PM
No, this is not an inflatable roof like the one BC Place has now.
The new setup is basically going to be like this...
1. There will be a permanent teflon fabric O-ring around the top of BC Place. It is fixed in place and does not change size.
2. The perimeter around the top of BC Place will be fitted with spiky looking support beams. These beams are part of a sophisticated cable system which forms a spider web of wires stretching across the open part of the O-ring.
3. A jumbotron scoreboard is suspended under the O-ring by the wires. Inside the it you will find the fabric that is used to close the roof. Press the "CLOSE" button, and the fabric scatters out from the scoreboard along the wires until it fills up the gap inside the rooftop O-ring. Press the "OPEN" button, and the fabric retracts back inside the scoreboard.
4. Now this is the new part that is relevant to the Whitecaps. It appears they are now going to add a second O-ring between Level 1 and Level 2. This effectively means that fans in the lower bowl have a roof immediately over their heads. This allows for increased fan noise, and also eliminates views of the empty seating areas above them. Presumably this O-ring is removable or retractable, as it would not be desirable for large events requiring the upper deck.
5. The rendering also suggests the scoreboard will drop down a level for soccer... now, whether it's bringing the upper O-ring with it to assist with masking the upper deck remains to be seen.
Kibby
07 Nov 2008, 01:13 PM
Well that's certainly pretty cool
PG Tips
07 Nov 2008, 01:58 PM
Good analysis Johnnie Monster!
The secondary roof is puzzling that's for sure. It's essentially the opposite of the the main roof. The portion other than a centre needs to be transferred to somewhere and it does not have a scoreboard to collapse into. Either it's going to collapse into the second O ring itself somehow or into an apparatus that is connected to the actual stadium ring beam between level 1 and 2. It looks complex at any rate.
With the scoreboard lowering funtion. I found of a pic of Commerzbank with the scoreboard at pitch level. Thought it would be interesting to show it's capability.
http://i37.tinypic.com/2cfz7l3.jpg
I also did a very crude render of what the secondary roof may look like if you were on the second level.
http://i37.tinypic.com/sqpbur.jpg
NF-FC
07 Nov 2008, 02:01 PM
as terrible as the render is, this is pretty ********in awesome!
athletics68
07 Nov 2008, 03:12 PM
as terrible as the render is, this is pretty ********in awesome!Yeah it is. And BC Place's central location in Vancouver right on the train line isn't hurting your bid either. Congrats guys, you seem to have the strongest bid now of the 7 IMO.
PG Tips
08 Nov 2008, 06:09 PM
BC Place not only has a metro stop but it will eventually have a tram stop with the planned streetcar system. Also there is a Canada Line subway stop about 4 blocks away in Yaletown.
If the waterfront stadium gets built it would probably be one of the most transport friendly stadiums in world. It would be adjacent to the Waterfront transportation hub which includes commuter rail, 3 metro lines, tram, bus, ferry, and a heliport(if it remains). There is also seaplanes on the other side of Canada Place.
piltdownman
08 Nov 2008, 06:29 PM
...There is also seaplanes on the other side of Canada Place.
And before anyone says "Who is going to use that?" ... let me say "Me" and many others from Downtown Vic and Nanaimo. In fact doorstep from doorstep I can get to downtown Vancouver quicker than my parents in Surrey ... yes we tested this once.
PG Tips
09 Nov 2008, 07:27 PM
This is true. My dad takes a float plane to visit Vancouver from downtown Victoria sometimes. You could be at a waterfront stadium buying a ticket in probably 45 mins total time from leaving Victoria.
Krammerhead
09 Nov 2008, 08:05 PM
This is true. My dad takes a float plane to visit Vancouver from downtown Victoria sometimes. You could be at a waterfront stadium buying a ticket in probably 45 mins total time from leaving Victoria.
Thats less time than it takes on public transit from North Vancouver to Swangard......and no Skytrain scum to deal with.