Garber; "This is not a Mexican expansion team..."

[Bethany]

"...this is a new team owned by a Mexican man."

Same rules as everyone. Horse's mouth.

Will everyone shut up now?

[sidspaceman]

Don Garber on Chivas USA
"This is NOT a mexican expansion team"

"This is an MLS team owned by a mexican man"

"The amount of bad press and vitriol about this man, this is a good thing. We want it"

"We need teams people love and teams people hate"

Seems like all the sky is falling people did exactly what Garber and Vergara wanted.

[kenntomasch]

From the official release:


Chivas owner Jorge Vergara remains in discussions with several interested markets for a 2005 expansion team following his finalized letter of intent. With its entrance into MLS, Chivas aims to tap into its Mexican heritage by fielding a predominantly Latin team. Commissioner Garber firmly noted that Chivas USA will operate its new team within the framework of the existing MLS player rules and regulations.

In other words, phone the attorneys and tell them their services will no longer be necessary.

And most of you have our permission to shut up now.

[SwissGCZ]

Originally posted by FireGirl8
Will everyone shut up now?
And by everyone, we mean galperin.

[riverplate]

It's not like I expect any of the anti-Chivas racists to apologize. They tried to destroy, not create. They should be ashamed of themselves.

[uclacarlos]

Originally posted by FireGirl8
Will everyone shut up now?
They've already committed mass suicide. Fortunately, word on the street says that all those crappy translators were forced to drink the Kool-Aid w/ 'em...

[efernandez9]

Originally posted by riverplate
It's not like I expect any of the anti-Chivas racists to apologize. They tried to destroy, not create. They should be ashamed of themselves.

only the fools of the forum
only the new rats of futbol, ever expected a mexican team in MLS

all the time - for about 3 months now, Vergara made it clear...is all nationalities and backgrounds of latino elements, specially the ones born in USA, the garber last month say thet it was an MLS team with 'spanish flare'.

Now we have a new owner in cleveland with a 20 million stadium, and vergara will get a City Named soon, BUT IS FOR 2005 (from yesterday press release) Hey guys....they cited Bert in cleveland as the 3rd owner in MLS.... they said here there were 4 different owners?)

[beineke]

Originally posted by efernandez9
all the time - for about 3 months now, Vergara made it clear...is all nationalities and backgrounds of latino elements, specially the ones born in USA, the garber last month say thet it was an MLS team with 'spanish flare'.


Seems like this is a good place to put some actual quotes from Vergara. For those who don't read Spanish, he expresses interest in players of Mexican origin and says that the majority of the team will be Spanish speakers, but "the doors will be open for everyone."

He has also reiterated that Chivas de Guadalajara will retain its policy on Mexican-born players with Mexican parents. Naturally, that limits the extent to which Chivas-USA can be a farm team.

"Estamos invitando a todos los mexicanos nacidos en Estados Unidos o a los hijos de mexicanos nacidos en Estados Unidos y
todos los que hablen español para que se integren, porque el equipo va a ser conformado en su mayoría por hispanoparlantes",
aclaró Jorge Vergara, presidente de la Chivas en Los Angeles.
--Univision, Nov 7
http://www.univision.com/content/content.jhtml?chid=6&schid=1611&secid=1614&cid=287656

Tocante al proyecto de Chivas-USA dijo que seguirá vigente la tradición del equipo, integrado sólo con jugadores mexicanos,
"pueden ser residentes allá y que tengan la doble nacionalidad, pero de padres mexicanos".
"El reglamento no impide conformar el equipo de esa manera, lo único que no podemos es discriminar a los demás, entonces las
puertas estarán abiertas para todos".
http://www.ecosdelacosta.com.mx/nota_completa.php?id_nota=10385
--Ecos de la Costa, Nov 19

[efernandez9]

"las puertas estan abiertas para todos"

[beineke]

Originally posted by efernandez9
"las puertas estan abiertas para todos"

Asi debe ser, no?

[efernandez9]

para todos los nacidos en USA with a latinamerican flare!


Just like many teams in Serie A

few catalans are only for catalans....at the time of the creation ....then evolution will take its course.

[empennage]

Originally posted by beineke
Asi debe ser, no?

Yes, but it still seems like borderline discrimination if they try to hire mostly hispanics. Whether the hispanics are mexican born, or have mexican parents shouldn't matter, it's still discrimination by race.

Hopefully, they will be careful enough to avoid lawsuits.

[efernandez9]

that is why they are holding open tryouts to all!

if the non-latinos do not show up: I will open for business with the current applicants! As Legal as it can possible be. EOE

[Dynamo Salem]

So here's a question. If Chivas uses a latino litmus test on the players they will consider for their team, is the talent pool deep enough in the US to handle it?

In '96 the Earthquakes only drafted Californians and it set them up to lose over and over again.

Is it smart to be too picky?

[kenntomasch]

I didn't realize until I looked at their first drafts just how many Californians they drafted in 1996. Wow.

[Magi-Raistlin]

Originally posted by Dynamo Salem
So here's a question. If Chivas uses a latino litmus test on the players they will consider for their team, is the talent pool deep enough in the US to handle it?

In '96 the Earthquakes only drafted Californians and it set them up to lose over and over again.

Is it smart to be too picky?

Just scanned MLSnet.com's rosters and this is what I managed to find in regards to the depth of Hispanics playing in MLS. Known SI's, TI's, Green Card Holders are listed as such.

Chicago
Perez, Orlando

Columbus
Garcia, Freddy DISC (TI/SI?)
Murriagui, Andres
Pineda Chacon, Alex SI
Diego Walsh TI

DC United
Cerritos, Ronald GC
Quintanilla, Eliseo
Reyes, Milton SI
Geddes, Jorge

NY
Forchetti, Juan TI
Galvan, Jose TI
Guevara, Amado SI
Moreno, Jaime SI

NE
Cancela, Jose SI
Llamosa, Carlos

Rapids
Mastroeni, Pablo
Rizo, Alberto (Birthplace Mexico)

Dallas
Vaca, Joselito TI
Pareja, Oscar GC

Kansas City
Gutierrez, Diego
Vazquez, Jorge SI
Gomez, Francisco

LA Galaxy
Gomez, Herculez
Gonzalez, Guillermo
Martinez, Antonio (from Mexico)
Moreno, Alejandro TI
Ruiz, Carlos SI
Serna, Diego SI
Suarez, Ryan
Torres, Arturo
Ochoa, Jesus (from Mexico)

San Jose
Alvarez, Arturo
Corrales, Ramiro

I counted 18 that are not considered SI's or TI's...although I'm sure I missed some, so feel free to add more to the list.

[CUS]

Originally posted by Magi-Raistlin
Just scanned MLSnet.com's rosters and this is what I managed to find in regards to the depth of Hispanics playing in MLS. Known SI's, TI's, Green Card Holders are listed as such.


The Fire has:

Chris Armas (Puerto Rican)
Carlos Bocanegra (Mexican dad)
Jonathon Bolanos (Costa Rican)

And Rizo was just waived.

[Dynamo Salem]

Not everyone on the list will be up for dispersal draft when the time comes. There are also a stack of very good hispanic players currently in the A-leauge- can they make a team out of them.

Then there is the draft.

Hopefully for the 2005 season some of the top drafts will be hispanic. This past year some of the the top players were guys like Nate Jaqua and Kelly Gray and Pat Noonan. But, if you pass these guys up for someone of latin origin, you are giving your competition good top players. That kind of thing can hurt you.

[Magi-Raistlin]

Originally posted by Dynamo Salem
Not everyone on the list will be up for dispersal draft when the time comes. There are also a stack of very good hispanic players currently in the A-leauge- can they make a team out of them.


That's the million dollar question. Most of these guys that are listed other than SIs and TIs I've never even heard of. Exception goes to the following:

1)Chris Armas (Puerto Rican)
2)Carlos Bocanegra (Mexican dad)
3)Perez, Orlando
4)Llamosa, Carlos
5)Mastroeni, Pablo
6)Gutierrez, Diego
7)Gomez, Francisco
8)Suarez, Ryan
9)Martinez, Antonio

I'd say that the first 5 maybe even # 6 have no shot of being available in the dispersal draft. That is unless MLS tells the clubs that all hispanics must be available for the draft...It could happen. MLS has a history of dictating team decisions auch as forcing Miami to trade Valderama to Tampa, Forcing Albright on DC, and forcing Dallas to give up their # 1 pick so that DC could select Adu # 1 for PR reasons. What is the possibility of this?