Einmal Löwe - Immer Löwe / TSV 1860 München Official Thread 08/09 II [R]

[LoewenBoy]

Hendrik, I don't mind a Bayern fan opning threads. I mind them drinking in my bars. :D

Present company excluded, of course

[footyfan1]

Hendrik, I don't mind a Bayern fan opning threads. I mind them drinking in my bars. :D

Present company excluded, of course


Great save! LMAO!! :D

[footyfan1]

Garry, how times have changed.

I remember back when I would have traveled to Kaiserslautern for this match whether it was on a Monday or not.

I would have had a long weekend in Heidelberg, traveled up to Eric's place during the day, had a few beers and sobered up enough for the drive after the match with Frikadelle on Betzenberg.

Those were the days....... :o

[LoewenBoy]

I would have had a long weekend in Heidelberg, traveled up to Eric's place during the day, had a few beers and sobered up enough for the drive after the match with Frikadelle on Betzenberg.
I am reminded of the Toby Keith song: "I ain't as good as I once was. But I'm as good once as I ever was.":D

Those were the days....... :o
Yeah, I hope Eric is backt o watching FCK now that they have gotten their act together a bit more. He seemed pretty disappointed in them.

Am just waiting for the live stream to start soon. :cool:

[footyfan1]

I am reminded of the Toby Keith song: "I ain't as good as I once was. But I'm as good once as I ever was.":D

LOL!!



Yeah, I hope Eric is backt o watching FCK now that they have gotten their act together a bit more. He seemed pretty disappointed in them.

He had every right to be.


Am just waiting for the live stream to start soon. :cool:

I'm writing this in the 79th minute.

And up this point, this has been one hell of a match.......

[LoewenBoy]

I'm writing this in the 79th minute.
And up this point, this has been one hell of a match.......
I get the feed in 15 mins!!!! Whoohoooo!!!!!

I have my kids doing homework, wife cleaning the house and I get to sit in my home office and pretend to be on a conference call while I watch the game.:D:cool:

[LoewenBoy]

Well watching the first half and can tell you the referee should have sent off Denai (or whatever his name is) for that tackle from behind on Gebhart. That was not even CLOSE to being legal. That was pure crap. Then they give Thorandt a yellow for a late challenge later on. If Thorandt's challenge was yellow, THAT challenge on Gebhart was straight red. No balls. And they keep hacking the kid. Not seeing much class from FCK right now.:mad:

[LoewenBoy]

Just got done watchin the match. As history has shown it was a close game, 0-0 in the end. FCK had a few chances ad did 1860. Really the only two real chances were a blown header by Thorandt in the first half and a shot by FCK which rocked the post in the second.

Tactically, 1860 clearly say that FCK was an outside shooting team, so the closed the gaps to keep them from shooting from outside most of the night. In the middle, the defense was compact and never really allowed FCK to open the middle. I would be willing to bet 1860 won a 60% of the air balls. One real problem I see for FCK is that they RARELY flanked 1860. ANYONE who has watched 1860 this season knows that the way to open them up is with quick counters down the flanks. FCK seemed unwilling or unable to do this. 1860 is defenseless when teams do this often b/c it exposes our slow central defense.

FCK's main function seemed to foul the shiite out of Gebhart to stop our attack. They spent the better part of 60 mins welcoming him to the "big leagues" with some serious off the ball shoving and other professional foul crap. For my money, Demai should have been sent off for the foul on Gebhart from behind in the 24th. THAT foul was pure crap and might have turned the game. It was truly a defensive battle.

Now 1860 can turn their attention to their attention to RWO and Augburg at home, then Rostock away. RWO and Augburg will be tough matches. 5 pts or better from these matches will be a good step towards securing a top spot for the break. We will need as many points as we can get to get clear of relegation. Remember last season? Urgh.

[goindownsouth]

I could not agree more with your assessment.

It was great to see Sechzig take a point from K'lautern when a loss seemed almost assured. RWO and Augburg at home are crucial to take the full 3 points from each. I told a friend who lives in Munich that if 1860 are in the promotion hunt at the winter break, I will be a believer.

Hell, I am a believer now. I have been saying it for some time, as all of you know... This run could be fleeting and end at any time, but I just do not see that happening.

From what I have seen, this team has "something" about them... Hard to explain it though.

[LoewenBoy]

Hell, I am a believer now. I have been saying it for some time, as all of you know... This run could be fleeting and end at any time, but I just do not see that happening.

One word: Rueckrunde.

December 2007 (http://www.fussballdaten.de/zweiteliga/2008/17/): 6th place at the break, +11 in goals, 2 points off of 3rd place, 3 points off of 2nd. Hoffenheim on 22 points, -3 and 9 points off of 2nd. 1860 finishes the year on 41 points just missing relegation by 3 points having had one of the worst rueckrundes in history.
December 2006 (http://www.fussballdaten.de/zweiteliga/2007/17/): 6th place at the break, +3 in goals, 3 points off of 3rd place. 1860 go 2-1-8 in the next 11 games to totally lose out on the promotion race and finish on 48 points.
December 2005 (http://www.fussballdaten.de/zweiteliga/2006/17/): After taking 25 points in the first 17 matches and being just 5 points off the promotion hunt, 1860 takes only 17 points from the remaining 17 matches to finish with 42 points and missing relegation by 1 point.
What we need is a rueckrunde like we had in 2005: In Decemver 2004 we are 10 points off the hunt for promotion, 5 points off the relegation battle. In May we end up 4 points off the last promotion spot just missing out. Now, if Kurz can guard against the last three years of rueckrunder nightmares, THEN I will be a believer.

[goindownsouth]

I can understand that... So no believing for you until promotion is in-hand...?

Or are you not thinking promotion this term?

[LoewenBoy]

I can understand that... So no believing for you until promotion is in-hand...? Or are you not thinking promotion this term?
I will believe it when I am firmly sitting in the stands in August at the first match of the new season in the BL.:D Anything prior to that is merely toying with my fragile emotions.

[footyfan1]

I can understand that... So no believing for you until promotion is in-hand...?

Or are you not thinking promotion this term?



I'm not. They are good and seem to be getting better, but they aren't THAT good yet.

Right now, 1860 and belief in promotion for me are in the same category as the crack pipe.

I don't pick up either one.

[goindownsouth]

Well, footy and Loewen seem to be convinced... LOL

I completely get it. And again, I am relatively new to 1860. But I cannot help but love this club.

Am I ill? Is there a cure?

[LoewenBoy]

Am I ill? Is there a cure?
Its a mentality. You have to be in for the long haul. the odd thing about European football is that you can follow a club for every game and you are hung up in the drama of either promotion or relegation. Compared to American sports (e.g. American football, hockey or basketball) where, if your team sucks, there is little reason to watch them play. At least in football there is always the hope (or danger) of something happening up until the last few games.

[goindownsouth]

I am slowly understanding that. On the European club level, it seems as if you adopt your club, whereas in American sports, you are "simply" a fan. People in Europe take their clubs VERY seriously. I think it resembles, to some degree, college football here in the southern US.

[LoewenBoy]

I am slowly understanding that. On the European club level, it seems as if you adopt your club, whereas in American sports, you are "simply" a fan. People in Europe take their clubs VERY seriously. I think it resembles, to some degree, college football here in the southern US.
Yeah, good point. It is more a social thing or an identity thing than a winning thing....unless you are a Bayern fan.:cool: Honestly, I find it more satisfying than American sports. I used to follow the Dodgers and Raiders every minute of every game. Hell, I used to watch 162 games a year of the Dodgers. But somewhere along the line it just got boring and, being 19 games out in July was not that interesting. Much like basketball, it all was meaningless until the last few mins of the game.

Now, post that on the YA board and you will be branded a Eurosnob, but its true.:rolleyes: US sports are just hard to watch if your team sucks and there is nothing on the line. At least, even with 1860 the past few years, I had a REASON to watch week in and week out.

[goindownsouth]

Yeah, good point. It is more a social thing or an identity thing than a winning thing....unless you are a Bayern fan.:cool: Honestly, I find it more satisfying than American sports. I used to follow the Dodgers and Raiders every minute of every game. Hell, I used to watch 162 games a year of the Dodgers. But somewhere along the line it just got boring and, being 19 games out in July was not that interesting. Much like basketball, it all was meaningless until the last few mins of the game.

Now, post that on the YA board and you will be branded a Eurosnob, but its true.:rolleyes: US sports are just hard to watch if your team sucks and there is nothing on the line. At least, even with 1860 the past few years, I had a REASON to watch week in and week out.

Certain members of my family will disown me for this, but I have fallen hard for Sechzig. It is impossible for me not to love them.

I feel like I need ein Mass or something to ease my joy here!

[footyfan1]

I am slowly understanding that. On the European club level, it seems as if you adopt your club, whereas in American sports, you are "simply" a fan. People in Europe take their clubs VERY seriously. I think it resembles, to some degree, college football here in the southern US.


Awesome correlation!!!

That's exactly what I thought of Texas High School and College American Football fans when I lived down there.

They reminded me of European Football fans.

[footyfan1]

Yeah, good point. It is more a social thing or an identity thing than a winning thing....unless you are a Bayern fan.:cool:

Here, here!!!!


Honestly, I find it more satisfying than American sports.

Same here. I can honestly say I only got back into the NBA when I was at home because I lived in San Antonio and there, there's only one "major league" game in town. The Spurs. And they were champions two of my three years there.


I used to follow the Dodgers and Raiders every minute of every game. Hell, I used to watch 162 games a year of the Dodgers. But somewhere along the line it just got boring and, being 19 games out in July was not that interesting. Much like basketball, it all was meaningless until the last few mins of the game.

Damn man, I never knew you were a LA fan. No wonder when we scrap, we seriously freakin' scrap! LA and Philly! LOL!!


Now, post that on the YA board and you will be branded a Eurosnob, but its true.:rolleyes:


I'm a proud "Eurosnob!" :cool:


US sports are just hard to watch if your team sucks and there is nothing on the line.

Right on. I'm a total Philly Phanatic (who also loves the San Antonio Spurs) and I have a hard time watching when my teams aren't in contention.



At least, even with 1860 the past few years, I had a REASON to watch week in and week out.

Agreed. With me, even with Dortmund in "no man's land", to see which way they seemed to be heading was much more interesting than watching regular season US sports.