Einmal Löwe - Immer Löwe / TSV 1860 München Official Thread 08/09 II [R]

[Floormaster Squeeze]

I saw some articles about Schroth being back in training and looking to play in the Rückrunde. Is this the same hopeful stuff that maybe he will play in a few months or is he actually getting close? I understand that he will very rusty and fragile but it would be interesting story at least.

[footyfan1]

I saw some articles about Schroth being back in training and looking to play in the Rückrunde. Is this the same hopeful stuff that maybe he will play in a few months or is he actually getting close? I understand that he will very rusty and fragile but it would be interesting story at least.


I just read a story about that at Bild.de. I saw nothing to be hopeful about.

[footyfan1]

Getting Bierofka back in the fold will be very important, I believe...

He's already back. He played in the match against FCN.

He'll be important, but more is needed and they definitely need some more production up front.

[goindownsouth]

He's already back. He played in the match against FCN.

He'll be important, but more is needed and they definitely need some more production up front.

When I say "back" I mean really back and in the flow.

No question there is help needed up front. Lauth cannot do it all on his one and Schaeffler has not shown that he can put the ball on goal, although his pace and agililty help.

[footyfan1]

When I say "back" I mean really back and in the flow.

I had no complaints about his performance although media pundits did...... ;)



No question there is help needed up front. Lauth cannot do it all on his one and Schaeffler has not shown that he can put the ball on goal, although his pace and agililty help.

I don't think Schaeffler was quite ready for this level of ball yet, but he definitely has all the tools.

He just needs to learn what to do with them. Hopefully, that will come quickly.

[footyfan1]

Transfermarkt.de Article (http://www.transfermarkt.de/de/news/25002/roesler-wechselt-zum-tsv-1860-muenchen.html)


Kicker.de Article (http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/2bundesliga/startseite/artikel/502643/)


Some things Reuter said in the Kicker article:


"Our goal was to remain effective offensively."

"In Sascha Rösler, we can adequately fill the hole caused by the sale of Timo Gebhart to VfB Stuttgart."

"He (Rösler) is a player who can be utilized in multiple offensive positions and who should help with his play-making qualities."



Kurz said: "Rösler is a player who brings good quality (to our team)."


Rösler will take over the "number 10" at 1860.


Neither 1860 or Gladbach commented on any transfer fee.



EDIT: Comments from Rösler in the Transfermarkt.de article:

“1860 is a club with huge potential. I decided to return to Sechzig because I want to do my part to help the club return the Bundesliga in a reasonable amount of time. I look forward to returning to Munich even though my first stint with the Löwen was not a successful one. I am fully convinced it will work out better this time.”

[goindownsouth]

How old is Rösler?

[footyfan1]

How old is Rösler?


Rösler is 31. Maybe not within this "1860 age requirement" Garry so passionately argued, but a player who, when focused, is exactly what 1860 needs.

Think of him as a "poor man's Effenberg" at the 2nd Bundesliga level.

Not only does he have the skills, he has the attitude to become a leader on this team.

The trick will be keeping him focused.......

[goindownsouth]

And it is the leadership, in my opinion, which is perhaps the biggest key...

That said, I would have loved to have seen some help up front.

[LoewenBoy]

So let's look ahead to the second half of the term... What are your reasonable expectations for this club in so much as results in the table are concerned? Could they possibly get back to their winning, defensive ways? Perhaps Benny gets hot scoring goals again? Just thinking out loud, really...
As with any team the keys will be form, fitness and finishing. They will need to avoid any long negative droughts or streaks. For the last few years the first 5 or so games of the spring round have been dreadful for 1860. They will need to stay consistent (that is, consistantly good) and avoid dropping easy points like they did in the last 4 games and the first 4 games of 2008. As Footy points out, health will be a primary concern. Again, 1860 has been bitten overly hard by the injury bug and in key positions. We need to get our key players back and in form. The fact we are 11th with such a young team is remarkable. Lastly, we cannot continue this goal drought. We need to score and score big. We need to keep up the defensive pressure too.

Bender. Yes, I'd heard rumors. BVB was rumored to be interested as Kruska is going to leave the club this summer. I need to send you the interview with Kurz in today's Kicker. He makes it seem like they are still interested in bringing in another offensive midfielder. He admits they are interested in Sascha Rösler.
I think the Benders stay another season and a half at most before being picked up. Roesler would be nice to have back and will help Schaeffler pick up some help and guidance.

Getting Bierofka back in the fold will be very important, I believe...
Already back, but needs to find his form.

I saw some articles about Schroth being back in training and looking to play in the Rückrunde. Is this the same hopeful stuff that maybe he will play in a few months or is he actually getting close? I understand that he will very rusty and fragile but it would be interesting story at least.
I am hearing Schroth is done and, if anything happens, makes a cameo in one of the last games of the year before retirement. His knee is just not coming along and they don't think he will make it back to playable form. Realistically I don't see him back competitively at all. At his age he would need to get game fit for a month or so and he is not even getting time in test matches. Until THAT happens I don't think you will see him at all....if ever. Sad. Also, a big old waster of cash...again. Remember Cerny and Tyce pensions we paid for sooooo long. Whar we could have done with THAT cash.:eek:

[footyfan1]

And it is the leadership, in my opinion, which is perhaps the biggest key...

That said, I would have loved to have seen some help up front.


I believe they are hoping to get more production out of sorry ass di Salvo in this half of the season.

If that guy can just come up with between 6 to 10 goals in this half of the season, things could get interesting.......

Rösler could also play up front, but I think their giving him the number 10 right away tells us he's going to anchor central midfield.

[LoewenBoy]

Rösler is 31. Maybe not within this "1860 age requirement" Garry so passionately argued, but a player who, when focused, is exactly what 1860 needs.
Well, Keith, to be fair, a 31 year-old Roesler is FAR different than a 34 year-old Copado. I said 31 was at the high end of what they wanted to bring in.


Think of him as a "poor man's Effenberg" at the 2nd Bundesliga level.
God forbid!:D Minus the pissy attitude, of course.

Not only does he have the skills, he has the attitude to become a leader on this team. The trick will be keeping him focused.......
Ritalyn:D

Seriously, I think working him into the starting 11 and then giving Schaeffler the Joker role will help Schaeffler's development. I just wonder how much they spent on the transfer fee.

[LoewenBoy]

Rösler could also play up front, but I think their giving him the number 10 right away tells us he's going to anchor central midfield.
Agreed. That and the fact that in Kurz's comments he mentions his "play-making" abilities.:D

[footyfan1]

Well, Keith, to be fair, a 31 year-old Roesler is FAR different than a 34 year-old Copado. I said 31 was at the high end of what they wanted to bring in.

Sorry man. Even with the three year difference, I think 1860 would have been better off with Copado. I think you put too much stock in mere age, but again, that's neither here nor there.

1860 will see Copado next season after he leads Unterhaching back to the 2. Liga. ;)


God forbid!:D Minus the pissy attitude, of course.

Uh, dude, he does have it. But he has the talent and the leadership qualities to go with it. It is just that when he's lost, he's useless. Kurz will keep him focused.


Seriously, I think working him into the starting 11 and then giving Schaeffler the Joker role will help Schaeffler's development. I just wonder how much they spent on the transfer fee.

Maybe. It looks as if Rösler is going directly into Gebhart's spot though.....

[footyfan1]

The blurb below from the "tz" Rösler article says that there are unconfirmed reports that 1860 are in talks with Schalke to take Schalke's newly signed 18 year-old German striker prodigy Marvin Pourie on loan.

Schalke just signed Pourie from Liverpool the other day.

Pourie has five appearances for Germany's U-18 squad with one goal.

Pourie has also played one season with BVB's U-19 squad.

I don't see where that would be any better than continuing to play Schaeffler and di Salvo. Perhaps Pourie would be Ku-SUCK-ovic's replacement.


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Ob die Löwen noch einen weiteren Spieler holen, blieb am Nachmittag unklar. Unbestätigten Gerüchten zufolge könnte der 18-jährige Marvin Pourie ausgeliehen werden. Der FC Schalke 04 hat den jungen deutschen Angreifer diese Woche vom FC Liverpool verpflichtet. Durch eine Ausleihe zu den Löwen könnte er Spielpraxis sammeln.

[LoewenBoy]

Sorry man. Even with the three year difference, I think 1860 would have been better off with Copado. I think you put too much stock in mere age, but again, that's neither here nor there. 1860 will see Copado next season after he leads Unterhaching back to the 2. Liga. ;)
Time will tell.


Uh, dude, he does have it.
Like Effenburg? Never seen it.

But he has the talent and the leadership qualities to go with it. It is just that when he's lost, he's useless. Kurz will keep him focused.
You mean like Di Salvo, Kusuckovic or any of the other ADHD kids Kurz has on the roster who get lost when they cannot focus? I think Kurz will bring him into line....Kurz used to play with the guy and knows his buttons. Just like Lauth and Aigner. I LOVE the fact that all the guys we are bringing in are former Loewen. That usually bodes well for us.


Maybe. It looks as if Rösler is going directly into Gebhart's spot though.....
See comment above. I agree.

[goindownsouth]

Garry - I would be curious to hear YOUR thoughts on the second half of the term for Sechzig... ???

[footyfan1]

Time will tell.

Exactly. Can we leave that alone now? I was actually just trying to get a laugh out of you when I brought it up man.



Like Effenburg? Never seen it.

Like a "poor man's Effenberg." I did say that before.



You mean like Di Salvo, Kusuckovic or any of the other ADHD kids Kurz has on the roster who get lost when they cannot focus? I think Kurz will bring him into line....Kurz used to play with the guy and knows his buttons. Just like Lauth and Aigner. I LOVE the fact that all the guys we are bringing in are former Loewen. That usually bodes well for us.

You mean like Cerny, Tyce and Schroth too?? ;)

I think the "former Loewen" thing only helped actually get them back. I don't think it truly means squat.

[LoewenBoy]

Garry - I would be curious to hear YOUR thoughts on the second half of the term for Sechzig... ???
You must have missed it with Keith and I hogging the thread.:D

Posted here (http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showpost.php?p=16642387&postcount=310).

Hey, did you or Eddie ever get the CD's with the 1860 songs I sent. Sent them back in September.

[LoewenBoy]

Exactly. Can we leave that alone now? I was actually just trying to get a laugh out of you when I brought it up man.
Believe me, you did.:D


Like a "poor man's Effenberg." I did say that before.
So are you saying Roesler uses the word "frick'n" when he talks to referees instead of what Effenburg used to use?:cool:


You mean like Cerny, Tyce and Schroth too?? I think the "former Loewen" thing only helped actually get them back. I don't think it truly means squat.
Low blow....but funny. Yeah, For every wounded vet we bring back there are 2-3 non-wounded ones we get back who help out.

Right now I would give anything if 1860 developed genetic research on Rudi Voeller, Klaus Fischer, Martin Max and Bernard Winkler to develop a player with all of those skills based on former 1860 strikers.;)