Next year/ In the future, who should we have replace Jaime Moreno?

[Bolivianfuego]

Well i've been thinking about it for a while, and what players would fit his playing style. Right now one guy that i wouldnt mind seeing is Jairo Patino.

Given Morenos skills, touch, vision, and eveyrthing about him as a player it will take DP money to get anyone close to him or better to play for us.



Here's some clips, and this was a Response to Matt Mathai that i had in the Rev's post game thread, i pulled it and decided to dedicate a thread to it.

Doe showed what a hold-up forward should do. Excellent game. He showed tremendous heart on the second goal.

What are we going to do when Jaime retires?

Tino worked his ass off, but could have had two goals. I think he out-thought himself quite a bit. Play simple, man.

It's quite amazing how our play improves as soon as some of our starters come in. What a year this could have been!

I would have been angry and disappointed if we had folded when we gave up the goal. Instead, we stood up, dusted ourselves off, and played like we really cared. A great effort. I'll remember this game, and last match vs. Houston, for a long time.

I agree, he showed tonight everything we ever wanted out of a forward this season! He could dribble, shoot, and had speed to back all of it up!

For moreno, i suggest this guy as a DP.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jairo_Pati%C3%B1o

Thats some background info on him, and here's some highlights.

His time at Riverplate was incredible, and even now he ist still sick, he can pass, shoot, and has the type of play that would fit with the way DC United has been made into over these last 12 years.

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These are the best clips i could find, but this guy plays taht withdrawn forward/ Moreno/ Gomez type player, lacks a little bit of speed, but can pass, shoot, drawn players, hold the ball, etc.

I wish to have him replace emilio, and at 30yrs old hes not too old.





With that said, who do you guys think would be a good replacement for Jaime Moreno?

[tmas]

While it would be great to find someone with his vision and skill, nobody will be able to replace the calming and experience effect he brings. I think that was obvious the second he came in today. The only other player I can think of who brings that is Benny... notice a trend?

[CrimsonChin00]

I still want Christian Gomez.

[La Barra Blonde]

I still want Christian Gomez.

Isn't he the same age as Jaime? A little old to be a replacement for the old man. ;)

[superdave]

I'm a fan of the philosophy that teams should try to find 10 year solutions once a decade rather than 2 year solutions 5 times a decade. In 2010, DC's DP slot will open up. I'd prefer that DC try to identify a player in his early 20s willing to play in MLS for $1M or so a year. The likely candidates would be guys who are from countries with so many good attacking players that they don't have international aspirations. So you're talking about 2nd tier Argentinians and Brazilians (which, as Gomez and Emilio have proven, are still pretty great players.)

[Sundevil9]

I think the problem lies in trying to find too much of a direct replacement for players.

Bottom line: There's only 1 Jamie Moreno.

We've been lucky to have him, but time's running out. The next guy that plays forward will unfortunately need to play in a legend's shadow, but he's going to need to be himself, and the team will need to adjust accordingly.

[HarkesyRules]

I think the problem lies in trying to find too much of a direct replacement for players.

Bottom line: There's only 1 Jamie Moreno.

We've been lucky to have him, but time's running out. The next guy that plays forward will unfortunately need to play in a legend's shadow, but he's going to need to be himself, and the team will need to adjust accordingly.

I completely agree with you, but think that it can be done. The same could be true of those trying to come in as the playmaker. There is, and always will be only one "El Diablo", but Christian Gomez made the position his own and Gallardo will hopefully be able to do the same with a healthy season next year. I think as long as the player plays well and is successful in their position, DC fans are willing to accept them. Not as replacements, but as the "heir" may be the more appropriate term.

[Sundevil9]

I completely agree with you, but think that it can be done. The same could be true of those trying to come in as the playmaker. There is, and always will be only one "El Diablo", but Christian Gomez made the position his own and Gallardo will hopefully be able to do the same with a healthy season next year. I think as long as the player plays well and is successful in their position, DC fans are willing to accept them. Not as replacements, but as the "heir" may be the more appropriate term.

Pretty much.

You're looking for an overall quality that's of the certain level, but the skill and mindset will be entirely different.

[AMERICANS SC]

How do you replace arguably the greatest player in the short history of MLS? (How do you replace the other arguably greatest player in MLS, Marco Etcheverry?)

Realisticly the following posts are reasonable.

I'm a fan of the philosophy that teams should try to find 10 year solutions once a decade rather than 2 year solutions 5 times a decade. In 2010, DC's DP slot will open up. I'd prefer that DC try to identify a player in his early 20s willing to play in MLS for $1M or so a year. The likely candidates would be guys who are from countries with so many good attacking players that they don't have international aspirations. So you're talking about 2nd tier Argentinians and Brazilians (which, as Gomez and Emilio have proven, are still pretty great players.)

I think the problem lies in trying to find too much of a direct replacement for players.

Bottom line: There's only 1 Jamie Moreno.

We've been lucky to have him, but time's running out. The next guy that plays forward will unfortunately need to play in a legend's shadow, but he's going to need to be himself, and the team will need to adjust accordingly.

I completely agree with you, but think that it can be done. The same could be true of those trying to come in as the playmaker. There is, and always will be only one "El Diablo", but Christian Gomez made the position his own and Gallardo will hopefully be able to do the same with a healthy season next year. I think as long as the player plays well and is successful in their position, DC fans are willing to accept them. Not as replacements, but as the "heir" may be the more appropriate term.

Pretty much.

You're looking for an overall quality that's of the certain level, but the skill and mindset will be entirely different.

Hopefully, management does not try to replace him (them) with aging stars...

[Bolivianfuego]

Pretty much.

You're looking for an overall quality that's of the certain level, but the skill and mindset will be entirely different.

I agree there is only 1 moreno, but there is others out there that are comparable and can bring to the table similar skills.

If you guys want young,

I also wouldnt mind seeing Bolivian 23 year old named Juan Carlos Arce, he's rotting away in Korea right now, He'd be the perfect DP, as him and Moreno
play similarly, and his loan is up by the end of the sesaon, and the opening of the transfer window. Hes on loan for 500k for half a season, or 1million for a whole season it seems would be his going rate. I am sure we could get him for that much or cheaper aka Emilio money, and i am sure he could be Moreno's pupil here before he retires.

The kid can pass, shoot, is good with his feet, has great team work, and could be our next jaime IMO.

This is a 10 min highlight, but it shows him doing everything, tricks, great passing, scoring, and positioning.

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[mcontento]

I think the problem lies in trying to find too much of a direct replacement for players.

Bottom line: There's only 1 Jamie Moreno.

We've been lucky to have him, but time's running out. The next guy that plays forward will unfortunately need to play in a legend's shadow, but he's going to need to be himself, and the team will need to adjust accordingly.


Agreed, we'll need someone with immense talent though to fill our needs, but it will be difficult to find an exact replacement.

There's only one Jaime just as there was only one Etcheverry. I think in time we'll find a "replacement" for Jaime just as Gomez was able to play in Marco's #10 role with success. Even though he wasn't as gifted or great as el Diablo we were able to appreciate him for his own style and skill and Gomez delivered a championship for us. Hopefully we can make an acquisition like that for replacing Jaime when the time comes.

I'm not sure his time is completely up yet though, he had a 10/10 season this year, hardly a player who is washed up. Yeah he's lost a few steps, but he is still the best player in the league at playing that holder/distributor role out of the #9 spot.

[elconejito]

I think the closest on the roster right now is Santino. In fact, I think it's probably his best position playing the 2nd forward. He's not as good holding the ball, but he's better (right now) running at defenders, and he's more willing to shoot. So there are some tradeoffs there.

I think an intruiging question though, is do we want to play with 1 striker and 1 withdrawn OR is playing with 2 strikers like we did against NE the better way to go? Since we aren't going to find a Jaime clone, do we still want to play the way we do when Jaime is playing when he's no longer playing (or playing as much).

[Bootsy Collins]

I'm a fan of the philosophy that teams should try to find 10 year solutions once a decade rather than 2 year solutions 5 times a decade.
I agree with this on a purely philosophical level. OTOH, I also think it's harder to do, because you're essentially making a guess on how that player will develop over the next 5+ years. I don't think anybody thought, when we picked up Jaime, that we'd still have him at this point, or that he would have contributed so much for so many years. That he did was a great boon to this team in many ways that go beyond individual skills and accomplishments; but I don't know how you can predict that about a player in advance. Older players are definitely a shorter-term approach; but they're also more of a known quantity, which is useful when you're committing such a large fraction of the salary cap to a player.

[cykelFlicka]

This is a 10 min highlight, but it shows him doing everything, tricks, great passing, scoring, and positioning.


What's with the porno background music?

:D

[ian woodville]

Speculating about "replacements" for Moreno could be an enjoyable way to spend the off-season and I don't want to ruin anyone's fun but...

The question is a bit premature. The sad truth is that because of guaranteed contracts, DCU will have at least $800K under the salary cap tied up with Moreno, Gallardo and Olsen in 2009. The real question will probably be -- how can the team find some players that can contribute while shopping in the soccer equivalent of Filene's basement.

The DP rule is simply an invitation to waste money. In a league where decent players earn less than $75k and good players earn less than $200K, spending $400k under the salary cap plus something above the cap for a single player makes little sense. After all what does Moreno make now? -- $275K!

Focusing on South America is also a dubious notion. Salaries in South American (and Europe) are currently so much higher than in the US that MLS teams will almost always overpay for South American or European talent. And most of the players who are willing to come to MLS are at the end of their careers, are problem children of one sort or another, or have serious gaps in their games. It is unlikely that any really promising young South American player would be willing to make a permanent switch to MLS.

The curse of Marco lives on and it is hard to convince DCU fans that successful soccer teams don't need a "playmaker", but it is really true. The traditional "number 10" doesn't show up in many lineups these days. And if truth be told, the glory days of Marco were actually much shorter than popular memory and Moreno has never been any sort of playmaker -- a clever player with good passing skills perhaps, but someone who worked to set up others, not really.

It's been said before, but DCU management, if it has money to throw around, would be better off investing in player identification and development so that it can sign good young players, most likely from the United States, and develop them.

[Hedbal]

I don't think we should try to shoehorn players into traditional roles, such as AM, DM, Holding Midfielder (HM?), etc., because this often works against the kind of flowing play we need. Once the opponent figures out that we are looking to get the ball to our AM so that he can then get the ball to the forward/striker they will ensure that the AM is swarmed and can't hold the ball. That's what happened in Etcheverry's sad last years, and it happened frequently to Moreno, especially last year. We are a better team when we play "total soccer," and everyone from midfield forward is a potential AM, DM, HM, or striker, as the situation demands. That's what was so exciting about last night. Let the situation on the ground determine the player's role, and be prepared for that role to change often during a match. The first soccer I remember seeing was from the great Dutch teams of the 70's, and each player was capable of performing every role, depending on circumstance. Defenders attacked; attackers defended; left side players went right; and so on. The attacks came from everywhere, often from unexpected quarters. I think DCU could usefully adopt this model, instead of worrying about getting someone to replace Moreno, or to be a classic #10.

[John L]

For your consideration: Andres D'Alessandro, former VfL Wolfsburg and Real Zaragoza midfielder now with Internacional of Brazil, originally from River Plate and only 27

[AMERICANS SC]

Older players are definitely a shorter-term approach; but they're also more of a known quantity, which is useful when you're committing such a large fraction of the salary cap to a player.

After Gallardo I am going to be very skeptical of any older players.

The first soccer I remember seeing was from the great Dutch teams of the 70's, and each player was capable of performing every role, depending on circumstance. Defenders attacked; attackers defended; left side players went right; and so on. The attacks came from everywhere, often from unexpected quarters. I think DCU could usefully adopt this model, instead of worrying about getting someone to replace Moreno, or to be a classic #10.

Of course everyone on those Dutch teams could play any position on the field because they had the technical skills to do so. I don't think that is true on DC United or any other MLS team.

For your consideration: Andres D'Alessandro, former VfL Wolfsburg and Real Zaragoza midfielder now with Internacional of Brazil, originally from River Plate and only 27

He is a great player with a lot of skill, but how much money would he demand? (Can DC United really afford him?)

[nobletea]

Jesus saves.

[La Barra Blonde]

Jesus saves.

Gretzky gets it on the rebound. He shoots!! He scores!!! :D