Vergara: Chivas USA players pay scale will be similar to Chivas in Mexico.

[Kqql]

En su oferta para los jugadores que formarán parte del proyecto dijo que los que queden contratados recibirán un sueldo justo y con los limites establecidos en el futbol de este país.

Pero cuando se le insistió, explicó, "estamos haciendo el estudio pero será similar a lo que ocurre en Chivas, en donde cada jugador que acaba de subir de Primera A gana entre ocho y diez mil pesos".

"Chivas tiene un salario mínimo promedio de 50 mil pesos libres más casa y auto, y con los jugadores de Chivas USA la idea será proporcional y habrá un nivel de sueldo bastante saludable", aseguró.
http://www.univision.com/content/content.jhtml?chid=6&schid=1611&secid=1614&cid=287656

[efernandez9]

is not the same thing that MLS pays for a new player in the league? Is that quote per month, every other wk?

Once things are established Money will be more like the media paid for MLS.


still true to say that top players per team clear 260k per season?

[uclacarlos]

50,000 pesos goes a lot further in Guadalajara than $5000 in the US...

[kpaulson]

I'm assuming that's all per month. A new Chivas de Guad. player makes just shy of $9k and the average player makes about $55k and house and car. Obviously, that kind of money goes farther south of the border, but it might be a wash for a young player making $24k in KC.

Those figures are awfully low. I'm assuming the reason MLS can't compete as well for the same players despite paying a similar amount is (a) vastly differing costs of living and (b) the lingering perception that MLS isn't good enough.

Chivas USA is going to give more of those players a sniff of what MLS is really like and defeating the image of (b), which might result in MLS as a whole getting better players for the same money.

[efernandez9]

do you really know what a first year MLS player makes?

Please find out to answer your own question.....

from NY to KC the salary is pretty much the same, even tho cost of living is differnt... can we get those figures posted here?

get the salary of alejandro Moreno (glax) and compare to what torres (costarican youngster came to make at the Crew)....

[kpaulson]

The minimum is $24k, as I posted, but there are also up to 6 "developmental contracts" per team, which pay $850/month.

MLS PLAYERS FORM UNION (http://www.megasoccer.com/main/world/column/501.html)

Given MLS's $1.7m salary cap, that means the average salary for the 18 full roster players is $94k, considerably higher than Chivas. Even counting the developmental players, the average is $73k.

Like I said, I can believe that $55k goes much further in Guadalajara, but does it go far enough to explain the beatdowns MLS teams have taken in the Champions Cup from Mexican second teams or less-than-motived first teams?

[sidspaceman]

Originally posted by kpaulson
I'm assuming that's all per month. A new Chivas de Guad. player makes just shy of $9k and the average player makes about $55k and house and car. Obviously, that kind of money goes farther south of the border, but it might be a wash for a young player making $24k in KC.

Those figures are awfully low. I'm assuming the reason MLS can't compete as well for the same players despite paying a similar amount is (a) vastly differing costs of living and (b) the lingering perception that MLS isn't good enough.

Chivas USA is going to give more of those players a sniff of what MLS is really like and defeating the image of (b), which might result in MLS as a whole getting better players for the same money.

The 50,000 pesos is the minimum average salary. In addation it says libre after it which might mean that it's tax free.

[kpaulson]

Originally posted by sidspaceman
The 50,000 pesos is the minimum average salary. In addation it says libre after it which might mean that it's tax free.

Yeah, so I gathered. But what the hell is a minimum average?

[efernandez9]

pal, wuat you need to find out is not the averages, is the starting salary for a first timer in Mls...

for kids 20 to 22yrs of age, even younger, I do not know....what I am getting at is that vergara will pay just about what a new player at that age earns in today's MLS

the guy is not doing any different that the other franchises.... he is Just looking at a different Pool of possible MLS employees.

[kpaulson]

Originally posted by efernandez9
pal, wuat you need to find out is not the averages, is the starting salary for a first timer in Mls...

Why? I'm not saying he won't pay the same...

And I already said what it was. $24k, unless its a developmental contract, in which case it's $850/month. (both taxable and without car and housing... ;) ) Of course, if it's a "special" first-timer, throw those numbers out the window...

What I find interesting is that first timers in the MFL make so little but that they seem to get a very solid level of player- not to mention the average players.

[efernandez9]

so we are looking at 2,000 per month?

vergara will have to match that....Or is more to attack some talent from going to the other 10 MLS teams.

[sidspaceman]

Originally posted by kpaulson
Yeah, so I gathered. But what the hell is a minimum average?

I think the 50,000 pesos is the minimum like the 24,000 is for the MLS. So you get that tax free a car and housing not bad at all.

[LMvCP]

Originally posted by uclacarlos
50,000 pesos goes a lot further in Guadalajara than $5000 in the US...

you damn right... with 50 pesos, 2 friends and i can eat tortas and be full. 5 bucks here in the US will only pay for me.

:)

[kpaulson]

Originally posted by sidspaceman
I think the 50,000 pesos is the minimum like the 24,000 is for the MLS. So you get that tax free a car and housing not bad at all.

So you think the 8000-10,000 pesos for players that have just started in the first division is more like a developmental contract?

[LMvCP]

it is understtod that it is a biweekly salary (la quincena), unless told otherwise of course. So you are talking about 90,000-100,000 pesos a month.

that seems to be the minimum throughout the MFL for a rookie or a player with not a lot of experience in the top flight.

a while back (2-3 years) I remember Horacio Sanchez was trying to renegoiate his contract with Pumas. He said something that he was still being paid the minimum which was close to 5K USD every other week. Said he needed more money to live in DF since it is a bit more expensive

3-5K USD per month is what an accountant would make in Mexico starting off according to some friends of mine who just got into the job market in Mexico.

THere was an article in Esto yesterday. Diego Latorre (played in Italy, Spain, Argentina) played in Mexico for a couple years. rather than going back to Argentina and not wanting to play with Guatemala's best team anymore, he decided to play in Mexico's 2nd division. He said that for the most part they pay a lot more in Mexico's 2nd division than some 1st division clubs in Argentina. You also have some plyers that are registered by top clubs and for various reason are in the 2nd division in Mexico making first division salaries.

There was a Mexican playing in Peru. Played for cienciano. when asked if he planned on returning to Mexico.. he said that he wanted to because it was a more competitive league and that it pays a lot more. HE said that Zamorano's monthly salary could pay for Cienciano's yearly payroll.


for a couple of years now, they have talked about putting some sort of cap on salaries because they just keep getting bigger and bigger each season. new sponsors, better network deals, etc. I dont remember which club president it was, but he proposed something similar to what the NFL has in revenue sharing.. plan shot to hell.. i dont even think that guys is associated with any club anymore.

I dont know how true it is..though i have heard it from many people (mostly old timers) that the liguilla (playoffs) in Mexico was in a way copied using a similar NFL format. The first superbowl was in 67-68 and the MFL implented a playoff in 1970. they dabbled with it (changing the playoff forma) because they saw they could make more money that way than the tradtional format where the team who acquires the most points is considered the champ.

I personally dont think there should be a salary cap in Mexico. Not when promotion and relegation is at stake. that would defeat the purpose of it. And ialso wouldnt be in favor of revenue sharing for 2 reasons.. 1..its welfare. it wouldnt be fair for the Americas Cruz Azuls who sell a lot in merchandise.. and 2..the current format already favors the little team. Usually the richest teams are the most consistant..but witht he liguilla.. you can be the 10th best team and still have a shot.. what more can they asked for?

BUT..for a couple years now they have mention about mainting the salaries at a certain level...and i think that would be a mistake

[LMvCP]

i dont think Vergara was too clear...

the biweekly salary of 50,000 pesos sound about right but i have never heard that a club buys a players car and house in its total amount. I do know that clubs do give thier players a per diem that covers their rent (mortage) and car note.

When players get signed and go with the club...sometimes they are not from that particular city and that is why they get the per diem.

[efernandez9]

PERKS!

they come along all the time

when the Mutiny opened doors in tampa, the club had like 6 apts rented for a year some and six months others......some players were allocated there for that term or free to move as family arrived in town

couple of palyers used to change to brand new model cars every other month, fans though it was the club, but it was a way for some dealers to pay for the endorsement of their business in tv or radio advertisement (still happen here in Irving with el chiva martinez and Honda of Irving) Not Mls sponsored.


thanks rdl.....for the byweekly mention of their pay cks.....there have been often cks for new players in MLS teams cks for 1000.00 or 900 twice a month, BTW all the cks come from NY office.

[sidspaceman]

Originally posted by kpaulson
So you think the 8000-10,000 pesos for players that have just started in the first division is more like a developmental contract?

Yes, or maybe it is some type of bonus for making it to the first division from Primera A.

[efvera173]

I heard from a close family member that Oslwado Sanchez make a cool mil a year.

[efernandez9]

BIENVENIDO EFVERA!