the 1 thing the USA has to do to get soccer popular in the US.....

[Auriaprottu]

Originally posted by toot86


Do you see earnie are you BLIND? Earnie is not that black he is not Wesley Snipes black thats what the sport needs.. Not some Reject Black guy from holland..

They want a American Black "Black" man not

Michael Jackson Black

Black black

I'm laughing too hard to be insulted...

Friend, even Wes has some slave rape blood in him, most likely. But I disagree with you. I think soccer is the last country club sport this nation has, and I think lots of participants (not necessarily followers of the Game) would love to have it stay that way.

[toot86]

Originally posted by lion
Toot,

To some extent I agree with you. Many whites (primarily males) in this country tend to "feel comfortable" with idolizing black superstar athletes.

In past generations, black athletes were subjected to a lot of harassment -- just witness the hostility that Hank Aaron had to face when he broke Babe Ruth's home run record. However, that was nearly a generation ago (26 years, to be precise).

Today's society is different and now whites think it is cool to idolize and deify outstanding black athletes. Most major sports (including golf) have blacks at the top of the talent ladder -- hockey and men's tennis being the notable exceptions.

Soccer in this country has mostly white stars, and I think having blacks as the sport's stars par excellence may help boost soccer's popularity somewhat amongst whites (again, primarily males) -- but not to the extent that you envisage.


You said what i couldnt say thank you ..

You need to teach me how to speak as well as you .. Cause its tiring to try to explain it my way.. :(

But you said it all!!

It looks fruity to have a poster of Landon Donovan on your room .. Having a poster of DMBEASLY doesnt for some reason..

[BrianCappellieri]

Originally posted by lion
Toot,

To some extent I agree with you. Many whites (primarily males) in this country tend to "feel comfortable" with idolizing black superstar athletes.

In past generations, black athletes were subjected to a lot of harassment -- just witness the hostility that Hank Aaron had to face when he broke Babe Ruth's home run record. However, that was nearly a generation ago (26 years, to be precise).

Today's society is different and now whites think it is cool to idolize and deify outstanding black athletes. Most major sports (including golf) have blacks at the top of the talent ladder -- hockey and men's tennis being the notable exceptions.

Soccer in this country has mostly white stars, and I think having blacks as the sport's stars par excellence may help boost soccer's popularity somewhat amongst whites (again, primarily males) -- but not to the extent that you envisage.

Some very harsh generlizations. You're like Toot with a brain.

[skipshady]

Originally posted by Astorian


Funny, but I thought Jarome Iginla lead the NHL in scoring. I know, I know, he's Canadian, so he's not really black, right? And Anson Carter must be a figment of our imagination. :)

[lion]

Toot,
I forgot to add that your posts, along with some of your suggestions, are hilarious, to say the least. :D

[skipshady]

Originally posted by lion
Toot,
I forgot to add that your posts, along with some of your suggestions, are hilarious, to say the least. :D True. Toot is like the Reggie White of BigSoccer. At first you're offended, but you realize how unintentionally funny it all is.

[toot86]

Originally posted by lion
Toot,
I forgot to add that your posts, along with some of your suggestions, are hilarious, to say the least. :D
Thanks but i didint even try to be funny :)what parts did you think were funny?

[BrianCappellieri]

Toot, I think he means:
Originally posted by skipshady
unintentionally funny

You're constantly making threads that you feel are serious and try to make points that you think make sense but none of them ever do.

They're just funny. Unintentionally funny.

[sanariot]

Originally posted by toot86
Iam just going right to the POint its how americans think..

Golf-TIger Woods
Basketball - Michael Jordan
Baseball - Barry Bonds
Tennis - Venus sisters
Boxing - Mike Tyson
Football - Jerry Rice .. Or mostly every halfback



Baseball was the USA's national pastime before black players were allowed in the Major Leagues. Tennis was popular long before Arthur Ashe won Wimbledon, Boxing was far more popular in the era of Rocky Marciano than it was during Mike Tyson's era. Basketball and Football grew more popular after integration, but I think that had more to do with a shift in the nation's tastes rather than simply the presence of a black superstar. What makes sports popular in the USA is more than just a black/white issue. In every one of the major sports you name, I can give you a white superstar to match the black superstars you named.

Baseball: Mark Mc Gwire
Football: Joe Montana, Brett Farve, John Elway
Basketball: Larry Bird, Dirk Nowitzki, Jason Williams

[lion]

Originally posted by BrianCappellieri


Some very harsh generlizations. You're like Toot with a brain.

Brian,

Some generalizations, like it or not, have some truth in them. Black athletes are glorified in society -- by ordinary people and the media -- far more than are white athletes.

Michael Jordan is still regarded as some kind of "athletic god" by society, whereas white athletes like Wayne Gretzky and Joe Montana are not revered as much.

Are you going to tell me that what Jordan did is that much superior to what Gretzky or Montana did in their respective sports???

It may be difficult to swallow but it is a truism, controversial as it may be, that black superstar athletes (like Jordan or Woods) are revered much more by society (read "whites") than are correspondingly brilliant white athletes like Gretzky or Montana. There is a dichotomy here -- racially inflammatory, maybe -- that cannot be denied.

So maybe if American soccer comes up with its own black posterboy superstar, then maybe it will become somewhat more "acceptable" for the average Tom, Dick, and Harry (again, of the white variety since they constitute the vast majority of sports fans in this country) to follow the sport on a more consistent basis.

[Naco]

Originally posted by BrianCappellieri
Some very harsh generlizations. You're like Toot with a brain.

Can't see it.

Originally posted by BrianCappellieri
The general public likes stars because of there athletic ability Toot, not because they might be black.

If Langdon Donovan wasn't attractive, he wouldn't be the poster boy of soccer. Besides, his forehead takes up the whole poster anyway.

Originally posted by toot86
NASCAR IS NASCAR

No kidding says Sir States-the-Obvious.

Sean

[sanariot]

Originally posted by toot86


He is not black black .. Either he is mixed i hate that..

Why do you hate people that are mixed? I'm mixed, so I guess you hate me too? What did I do to you to make you hate me? Please explain.

[MarioKempes]

Two words: Joe Gaetjens

[toot86]

Originally posted by Astorian


Why do you hate people that are mixed? I'm mixed, so I guess you hate me too? What did I do to you to make you hate me? Please explain.


I dont hate Mixed people i just hate people giving examples of Mixed people .. Acting like its a full fledge black guy.. He is not Fully he is either black or he isnt .. He is half African and half Holland but his genes came out Whitish ..

[sanariot]

Originally posted by skipshady
True. Toot is like the Reggie White of BigSoccer. At first you're offended, but you realize how unintentionally funny it all is.

Goddamn Skipshady, It's Friday night, think of the drunk part of your audience! Had I had a little more to drink tonight, I'd have sued you for making me pee my pants! Post another gem like this one later tonight, and your ass is mine, MF'er!!

[BrianCappellieri]

Half his genes came out whitish? Very well said Toot.

Race and nationality are two different things. You obviously don't understand too many things so you should think before you say something so blatantly ignorant.

[BrianCappellieri]

Originally posted by Ekelund4life
If Langdon Donovan wasn't attractive, he wouldn't be the poster boy of soccer. Besides, his forehead takes up the whole poster anyway.


Never mentioned anything about Landon Donovan and never said anything about the "attractiveness" of atheletes.

[Auriaprottu]

Originally posted by toot86



I dont hate Mixed people i just hate people giving examples of Mixed people .. Acting like its a full fledge black guy.. He is not Fully he is either black or he isnt .. He is half African and half Holland but his genes came out Whitish ..

Most of the Black people I know can cite a dead Native American or two in their family tree. Few of us are "pure".

Tell us, did more Americans see Shaft than Super Fly?

[BrianCappellieri]

Originally posted by lion
Michael Jordan is still regarded as some kind of "athletic god" by society.


That's because he is in a sense. He accomplished much more than Gretzsky and Montana.

I just hate to see people still thinking this way and trying to bring race into everything. Talking and thinking like this doesn't help.

For every major sport you'll find super stars of different races.

[Ringo]

If toot has any common sense packed into that head of his, I haven't seen any of it spill out onto these boards yet.

why are you so hung up on how people look? who gives a damn if earnie is black enough for you? If your argument gets shot down -- and it did -- you just whine and twist it around until you find something new to argue about. Admit you're wrong every now and then, and then stop this nonsense.