PK's drawn

[numerista]

A sampling from PK's drawn ...

Gaven, Eddie 3
Martino, Kyle 2
Magee, Mike 2
Mapp, Justin 1
Donovan, Landon 1
Arnaud, Davy 1


A quick inspection shows that foreign-born players have a reduced presence in this list. In addition to goalscorers, the US seems to have some emerging attackers with the ability to wrong-foot a defender.

GK PK's Conceded

Cannon, Joe 3
Busch, Jon 1
Reis, Matt 1
Rimando, Nick 1
Ring, Henry 1
Everyone else 0
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Not sure what to make of this ... Is Cannon too aggressive? Does Colorado play more offsides than other teams? Or is this perhaps a result of having a slow back line?

Incidentally, there was no repeat of last year's phenomenon where guys who didn't play much drew a disproportionate number of PK's. This year, the players who drew fouls in the box also drew a lot of fouls in general.

[scaryice]

Interesting thread. I know that for 1999-2002, the MLS League Leaders stat page shows who drew the penalty and who commited the foul.

Also, does anyone have a list of penalties for 1996-1998? They don't have a nice list at mlsnet like the other years. I could just go through the stats and see who took penalties, but I want a nice list with dates, keepers, etc.

[scaryice]

Hey, I wanted to bump this thread because it's a fascinating stat. It's really something that's not hard to keep track of, and you would think that it would be kept track of.

I have gone back and figured this out for every MLS season. The only problem is 1996-98.

1998: 37 of 58 missing
1997: 23 of 54 missing
1996: 34 of 50 missing

Other than that, I have a list of who's drawn every penalty in league history. I'll post it later, but first I want to figure something else out.

I've been trying to make lists of penalties for 1996-8, much like the lists that MLS has published since then on their stats pages. I don't think you can find lists for those years anywhere on the internet, right? Could this info be found in an old media guide?

It's hard because most of the old match reports suck, and some don't mention penalties that were saved. If somebody could help me out with this, that would be awesome.

Here's some info for the saved penalties that I don't know which game they were from, along with the possible dates that I've narrowed it down to.

1996

Taken by:

CLB McBride 13-Apr, 15-May, 30-Jun, 4-Aug, 10-Aug, 28-Aug, 15-Sep
KC Preki 19-May, 22-May, 20-Jun, 26-Jun, 6-Jul, 4-Aug, 21-Aug, 1-Sep
MET Vermes 13-Apr, 12-May, 30-May, 9-Jun, 21-Aug

Taken against:

DC Causey 13-Apr, 12-May, 15-May, 30-May, 20-Jun, 10-Aug
LA Campos 13-Apr, 19-May, 9-Jun, 6-Jul, 4-Aug, 21-Aug, 28-Aug
MET Meola 22-May, 26-Jun, 30-Jun, 1-Sep, 15-Sep



1997

Taken by:

CLB Marino 13-Apr, 11-May, 7-Jun, 21-Jun, 13-Jul, 27-Jul, 6-Sep, 18-Sep, 25-Sep, 28-Sep
DAL Wash. 17-May, 23-May, 15-Jun, 15-Aug, 23-Aug, 16-Sep
KC Preki 12-Apr, 18-Apr, 27-Apr, 18-May, 6-Jun, 25-Jun, 2-Aug, 17-Aug, 12-Sep
KC Johnst. 12-Apr, 18-Apr, 27-Apr, 18-May, 6-Jun, 25-Jun, 2-Aug, 17-Aug, 12-Sep
MET De Avi. 25-May, 23-Aug, 16-Sep
TB Vargas 29-Mar, 17-May, 25-May, 4-Jul, 15-Aug


Taken against:

DAL Dodd 13-Apr, 18-Apr, 17-May, 23-May, 6-Jun, 15-Jun, 13-Jul, 2-Aug, 15-Aug, 23-Aug, 6-Sep
DAL Dodd 13-Apr, 18-Apr, 17-May, 23-May, 6-Jun, 15-Jun, 13-Jul, 2-Aug, 15-Aug, 23-Aug, 6-Sep
MET Meola 29-Mar, 11-May, 18-May, 25-May, 21-Jun, 4-Jul, 3-Aug, 17-Aug, 23-Aug, 12-Sep, 16-Sep, 25-Sep
MET Meola 29-Mar, 11-May, 18-May, 25-May, 21-Jun, 4-Jul, 3-Aug, 17-Aug, 23-Aug, 12-Sep, 16-Sep, 25-Sep
TB Dough. 29-Mar, 12-Apr, 27-Apr, 17-May, 23-May, 25-May, 7-Jun, 25-Jun, 4-Jul, 3-Aug, 15-Aug, 18-Sep, 28-Sep
TB Dough. 29-Mar, 12-Apr, 27-Apr, 17-May, 23-May, 25-May, 7-Jun, 25-Jun, 4-Jul, 3-Aug, 15-Aug, 18-Sep, 28-Sep




1998

Taken by:

COL Bravo 19-Apr, 31-May, 19-Jul, 25-Jul, 8-Aug, 2-Sep, 16-Sep, 19-Sep
DC Moreno 29-Mar, 4-Apr, 11-Apr, 18-Apr, 26-Apr, 13-May, 30-May, 25-Jun, 15-Jul, 29-Aug
DC Moreno 29-Mar, 4-Apr, 11-Apr, 18-Apr, 26-Apr, 13-May, 30-May, 25-Jun, 15-Jul, 29-Aug
KC Chung 13-May, 16-May, 31-May, 6-Jun, 19-Jul, 8-Aug, 16-Aug, 23-Aug, 2-Sep
KC Vermil. 16-May, 31-May, 6-Jun, 19-Jul, 8-Aug, 16-Aug, 23-Aug, 2-Sep
MET Hurtado 4-Apr, 3-May, 31-May, 3-Jun, 24-Jun, 4-Jul, 19-Jul, 12-Aug, 18-Aug, 2-Sep, 6-Sep
MET Rooney 4-Apr, 31-May, 3-Jun, 24-Jun, 4-Jul, 12-Aug, 2-Sep, 6-Sep


Taken against:

CLB Sommer 4-Apr, 26-Apr, 19-Jul, 12-Aug, 16-Aug, 6-Sep, 16-Sep
COL Hahn. 11-Apr, 31-May, 25-Jun, 4-Jul, 19-Jul, 8-Aug, 18-Aug, 2-Sep
KC Ammann 4-Apr, 31-May, 19-Jul, 29-Jul, 8-Aug, 2-Sep
MIA Napol. 23-Aug
NE Feuer 29-Mar, 18-Apr, 13-May, 16-May, 31-May, 24-Jun, 15-Jul, 2-Sep, 26-Sep
NE Feuer 29-Mar, 18-Apr, 13-May, 16-May, 31-May, 24-Jun, 15-Jul, 2-Sep, 26-Sep
TB Ravelli 19-Apr, 3-May, 13-May, 30-May, 3-Jun, 6-Jun, 29-Jul, 29-Aug

[scaryice]

Ok, I've figured out Moreno's 2 misses from 1998 (vs Feuer and Ravelli).

I also was able to find out who drew 6 more penalties from 1998 (31 left). Thanks to DC's old site. I guess that's my next step, to go through all the old team sites.

[scaryice]

Ok, I now have reason to believe that MLSnet's 1996 stats are missing several penalties.

Here are the 1996 team stats (http://www.mlsnet.com/MLS/history/archive.jsp?year=1996&content=stats_team).

It says that Bo Oshoniyi faced two penalties and both were scored. But, as you can see here (http://web.archive.org/web/19970612152059/www.thecrew.com/news/42796.html), on 4/27/96 Oshoniyi saved a Tab Ramos penalty. Ramos is not listed as taking a penalty that season. It can't be a shootout pk, because the game ended 2-0.

It was even mentioned a year ago in a Jeff Bradley MLSnet article (http://mlsnet.com/MLS/news/mls_news.jsp?ymd=20050301&content_id=23198&vkey=news_mls&fext=.jsp).

I also found one match report that says a Jean Harbor pk was saved, and that one is missing too.


This isn't too surprising because the stats for that year list 50 penalties, and only 6 of the them missed which would be really high.

[scaryice]

Found out that Causey saved McBride in 1996, on 5/15.

[scaryice]

Now, I'm only missing 77 penalties overall. Actually 79 counting those two new ones I discovered.

[kenntomasch]

The latest MLS media guide lists every penalty in league history.

[scaryice]

The latest MLS media guide lists every penalty in league history.

Great, I've wasted a couple hours of my life. Oh well. You wouldn't by any chance have a scanner would you?