De La Hoya wants a rematch(NSR)

[Megatron]

You knew this was coming,it was only a matter of time...http://espn.go.com/boxing/news/2003/1029/1649632.html

[Levante]

Mosley is probably a cheater anyways and IMHO Oscar doesn't need to fight him anymore.

[Megatron]

I don't really see what the point is in having a third match. De La Hoya feels he was robbed but if he loses again the I would say he would definitely have to consider calling it quits.

[Mario]

cheater!?!?!? :eek:

[sidspaceman]

The FBI and New York City police are not targeting the disputed second Oscar De La Hoya-Shane Mosley fight, according to sources of the Los Angeles Times.

However, in raiding promoter Bob Arum's office in Las Vegas Tuesday, FBI agents were looking for evidence of improprieties in other fights promoted by Arum's Top Rank organization, the Times reports Saturday.

On Friday, the New York Daily News cited law enforcement sources as saying there was evidence that September's De La Hoya-Mosley fight, awarded to Mosley in a controversial decision, was rigged.

http://espn.go.com/boxing/news/2004/0110/1705032.html

[Levante]

Originally posted by Mario
cheater!?!?!? :eek:

Mosley has been connected as a client of the labs that produced THG....the steroid that could go undetected.

[Mario]

two months later.............


:p thx anyway

[Levante]

Originally posted by Mario
two months later.............


:p thx anyway

Sorry. :embarrased:

I should be more clear......Molesy IS
a client of the THG producing labs.

[Megatron]

Felix "Tito" Trinidad just came out of "retirement" once again proving that there's no such thing in the world of sports.Apparently he wants to fight Oscar De La Hoya again.Oscar also wants a rematch but hasn't heard anything yet.Don King has stepped in and said there's no way this fight will not happen.So look for that on the way.Discuss...

[Mario]

US$ 15 million for De La Hoya

US$ 10 million for Tito

Go Tito!

[Levante]

This is pathetic.

This fight is going to happen 4 years too late. Why didn't Tito Trinidad fight De La Hoya right after the first fight? He would of made millions more then. He was scared that's why......he didn't want to risk losing his belt.

De La Hoya will fight him. But he wins nothing. If he loses, which I don't think he will, he will have lost to a boxing retiree, if he wins...........he beat up a has been with a brain condition.

Pathetic..........
I've practically given up on boxing.

[sidspaceman]

Tito has a brain condition? I have never heard that. I don't think Tito was scared at all. Of course I also think he won the first fight cause anybody that runs for the last few rounds deserves to lose. The reason there was no rematch was because Arum De Le Hoya’s promoter didn’t want to play second fiddle to Don King.

[Levante]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by sidspaceman
Tito has a brain condition? I have never heard that.

That is why he retired. He fought one more fight after Hopkins beat him up. After that, Doctors advised him that he shouldn't fight again.


I don't think Tito was scared at all.

Probably, probably not..... I was speaking more out of anger........this is a sham......I'll watch the fight but I won't pay for it.


Of course I also think he won the first fight cause anybody that runs for the last few rounds deserves to lose.

Those are the only rounds he won.......and he won 2 convinicingly the other.........no.

9 rounds to 3
8 rounds to 4.........doesn't add up in my book...

But that's boxing for you. A scam and we are the biggest suckers for giving them our money.

The reason there was no rematch was because Arum De Le Hoya’s promoter didn’t want to play second fiddle to Don King.

They didn't want to split 50/50........that's why.

[sidspaceman]

Can I see a link to the brain damage story. You know if you had liestend to the fight with the volume down and not having to liesten to that hack Jim Lampley you might have seen the fight diffrent. Like I said Arum couldn't stand being second fiddle to King so he scuttled the rematch.

[Levante]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by sidspaceman
Can I see a link to the brain damage story.

I can't provide you with a link because it was from 2 years ago. I saw it on ESPN Deportes.com.
The guys at Radio Unica also talked about it when this was news during Samuel Jacobo's "en boxeo" segment. I think you might see some of this in the upcoming news if the fight happens.

You know if you had liestend to the fight with the volume down and not having to liesten to that hack Jim Lampley you might have seen the fight diffrent.

I don't let Jim Lampley influence me.....he's a putz and he has a bad haircut. Besides....I don't know why Lampley has to be talking to me to "see" a fight.

I know what I saw, and from my perspective the fight was about 8 rounds to 4. I also saw that the most surprised guy in that ring was Trinidad. Same with Mosley in that last fight.......he had that "What.....I won" look on his face.

Now before you go on accusing me of being a De La Hoya buttkisser let me tell you this:

De La Hoya lost that first fight to Mosley fair and square and even Oscar admits that now.........but he from my perspective, he also lost that Sweet Pea fight.


Like I said Arum couldn't stand being second fiddle to King so he scuttled the rematch.

Fair market value........ 50/50 makes sense.......especially since that win was so disputed. Does anybody remember that Joppy vs. Trinidad fight.... I do, but nobody else except Puerto Rico saw that. Bottom line is that Trinidad couldn't even dream to bring the kind of Money to HBO. De La Hoya commands that kind of money.....and if Tito and Don King would have been smart they would of been commanding a hell of a lot more than 15 million and 10 million. That bout would of set all kinds of records.

You say Bob Arum wanted to play second fiddle, but he just wanted what was fair.

A question.....do you remember what the purse was for the first fight?

[Levante]

I just found how much they both made and I can provide a link.

Oscar took an estimated 21.5 Million dollars from that first fight

Tito took an estimated 8.5 Million dollars.

God........they would have made a killing.

[Levante]

http://pub169.ezboard.com/fmaxboxingmessageboardsfrm9.showMessage?topicID=94.topic


Sid........go all the way down.

The RadioUnica guys said that the problem was with his brain and his vision.

Apparently it is only his vision. That's my mistake.

Also, It was Fernando Vargas that first hurt his eye....... The Radio Unica guys said this...Hopkins just accelerated the damage.

[sidspaceman]

I guess we will have to agree to disagree. Hell I was surprised that Tito won the decision I thought no way Oscar would lose in his town of Vegas. Have you ever heard too the victor go the spoils or revenge is a dish best served up cold? Arum totally dogged King during the first fight and King took it. Turn about is fair play and Oscar should of made less and Arum should of taken a back seat.

Does anybody remember that Joppy vs. Trinidad fight.... I do, but nobody else except Puerto Rico saw that

Well I remember the fight who remembers De La Hoya versus Javier Castillejo? The whole reason HBO threw all that money behind the Middleweight title unification was because of Tito. After his wins over Oscar and Vargas he was the biggest star in their stable.

[Levante]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by sidspaceman
I guess we will have to agree to disagree.
Hell I was surprised that Tito won the decision I thought no way Oscar would lose in his town of Vegas.[/b]

Especially since all rounds count as 10 points but Tito won about 4. Apparently, in that fight, the last three rounds were worth about 15 points.


Have you ever heard too the victor go the spoils or revenge is a dish best served up cold? Arum totally dogged King during the first fight and King took it. Turn about is fair play and Oscar should of made less and Arum should of taken a back seat.

I see your argument here. But there is no way anyone with an ego of a World Champ would of done that, especially when that champ was credited with reviving a whole weight class division. What they were offering Oscar was a slap in the face. How were they going to offer Oscar 8-10 Million when he made MORE than that, in the 10 to 15 million range against The Sweet Pea's, Oba Carr's, and Quartey's of the world (all very good fighters by the way) but really not in Tito's caliber.

They could of both made 25 million each in that first fight. Everyone wanted to see a rematch....Everyone.

Now we are being offered a watered down fight and in my opinion, Oscar has nothing to win. Like I said....beat up a gimp or be beaten by a shy gun retiree. Of course, he would get revenge if he wins...but what do the fans get.

Scammed.

Personally, I'm waiting for Bill Dorin and Popo Freitas to fight again.

[sidspaceman]

I saw Tito win at least 7 rounds. Though I agree if Oscar hadn't run for the last few rounds he would of won.

I never said Oscar should only get 8 million. I just don't think a 50-50 split was fair. 60-40 or 55-45 would of been better. You might not want to see the fight but Oscar sure does he has been bugging Tito for years.