The Mexican perspective! (not just for mexicans)

[efernandez9]

I wonder how the whole thing is seen back in guadalajara and the rest of the country.

Is just and investment, yes, but futbol fans do over look that many times. I wonder if the mexican moguls of Tv will buy into it?

side kicks to the MLs deal: More preseason done in guadalajara clubs?

a team for mexico-americans or latinos en general, living(born) in the usa?

How will they see vergara money and products in the USA market?


anglos can comment too!

[masterklh]

Well I doubt there is much change in Guadalajara, seeing how Vergara has owned or owns several teams including one in Serie A. They still have their team and I do not really think they see this as any type of threat.

You do bring up a good point though. Will players in Mexico actually watch Chivas USA matches? I would say probably not until MLS can prove itself as a world type competitor or at the very least more competitive with MFL.

Preseason with MFL clubs would be great for helping to develop the league just that much more. I can not see that as a negative to MLS other than losing to MFL teams and having some hurt pride, but then again, MLS is not suppose to win against any Mexican club so it’s 100% beneficial.

As for a Mexico / American team… They play Mexican matches all the time up in New England on TV so unless they want to just see the time live, I doubt it will make most feel like “our” team.

[efernandez9]

I just see it as a very expensive experiment for the new owner!

correction: NO....he does not own a team in serie A, the deal with atletico Madrid iis on Hold, his other team is in Costarica, saprissa. He took over them and the first thing in the agenda was to get rid of the foreign elements, 2nd get rid of the ads on jerseys (as with chivas-mx), that team is now in the lead of the tournament, with a CR coach (H medford)

His name and the name chivas is on the line! very risky for his reputation back home if he does not put a winning grp on the pitch, or at least average in MLS.....he has more to lose than MLS

[drew_VT_6]

I'd love to see an all American team. That'd be something going against common US soccer biases. How awesome would it be to see only US players?

However, I don't even know if i can put together a realistic team of all american players that I'd like to see.

GK- take your pick
Onyewu, Saurez, E.Robinson
Mulrooney
Klein Martino Vagenas
Noonan Mathis (cuz he's movin anyways)

I think this team could realisticly come about in an expansion draft.

[LMvCP]

Originally posted by efernandez9
I wonder how the whole thing is seen back in guadalajara and the rest of the country.

Is just and investment, yes, but futbol fans do over look that many times. I wonder if the mexican moguls of Tv will buy into it?

side kicks to the MLs deal: More preseason done in guadalajara clubs?

a team for mexico-americans or latinos en general, living(born) in the usa?

How will they see vergara money and products in the USA market?


anglos can comment too!

Well, Televisa TD did mention it yesterday but did not go into detail.

Los Protagonistas (TV Azteca sports show) talked about it today and yesterday but only as a crossfire subject. Thats where they bring up 4 issues, talk about it for 2 minutes and then carry on. But the same was said as yesterday and I really dont see them putting much importance. Basically they all agreed that it migh get fans in the LA, San Jose, San Diego, but they question what type of attendance they might get up in the midwest and northeast region of the US.

They did mention that America is most likely to go get a club in the MLS. And they said something about Garber saying that America and Chivas in the MLS could very well bring the MLS a lot of money and save the league. I am paraphrasing, but that was one of the reporters said when he was at the press conference.

[uclacarlos]

Originally posted by rdl674 And they said something about Garber saying that America and Chivas in the MLS could very well bring the MLS a lot of money and save the league. I am paraphrasing, but that was one of the reporters said when he was at the press conference.
Doom and gloomers: b4 committing suicide thinking the world's going to end TODAY...

1. rdl is PARAPHRASING, and he's reporting what SOMEBODY ELSE said that SOMEBODY ELSE said. Like the game 'telephone', messages get mixed up w/ more ppl involved.

2. Whereas I respect Mexican media (a ton more than ours, both in print and broadcast), it doesn't surprise me that the Chivas and America involvement gets portrayed as "saving" the league. If the NBA were to expand in Europe, our press would spin it in a way much more favorable to a US audience.

[efernandez9]

Originally posted by rdl674
Basically they all agreed that it migh get fans in the LA, San Jose, San Diego, but they question what type of attendance they might get up in the midwest and northeast region of the US.

I am paraphrasing, but that was one of the reporters said when he was at the press conference. well, the team that comes to play in 2005, needs to put a grp of fans of 10 to 15k


the average for the league is 14.2k
10 to 12 is a good start
over 12k in the first season is Huge
More than 14 is better that the established competition..... On paper looks pretty simple. The idea and the market looks like they are going to hit the right track.

[masterklh]

That amuses me. "coming to save the league" :) The league doesnt need much saving, It needs better marketing, bring in a big name or two, international friendlies more often... against bigger clubs.

I believe Chivas will be very good for the league financially and possibly for league development, But I do not believe Chivas or America alone are going to bring MLS to the promise land..... I do not believe Manchester United and Real Madrid coming to MLS would "save the league"..

It will take some time, time for those who were very young when MLS was first created like 5 to 10 years old to actually get out of school, get jobs etc.. which is still another 4 to 6 years away before the league starts to see a noticable rise in attendance and profit. 11 to 13 years the league will be very mature, people who came into the league as rookies etc.. will be close to retirement age etc.. one cycle of players will be run through so to speak.

[efernandez9]

yeah, but the fact of the matter is that the league can not stay at 'small' levels to move to the next level.

right now only Venezuela, ecuador and Bolivia have a 10 team leagues, and they are always talking about ways to grow.....well MLS has an opportunity and the man with money to do so, take It!

If the man is a cheat and a big Mouth, he is out big time Money and the club back home will feel it! Risk he is not able to afford.

[masterklh]

yeah, but the fact of the matter is that the league can not stay at 'small' levels to move to the next level.
well MLS has an opportunity and the man with money to do so, take It!

I agree, I think Chivas will be a very nice addition, I just.. I just don't agree that he is going to show us the way to the land of milk and honey.. he will help immensly, it will help to up the league skill level (I hope) I will say this though.. Chivas USA.. if it is to stay only mexican and/or latino, they are going to get blown out of the water. To many good black / white / asian athletes out there, to restric yourself to just one nationality / ethnicity.

Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but when the league catches up....

[fdp]

http://www.terra.com.mx/galeria_de_fotos/images/95/189703.jpg

je je je

[GersMan]

It just seems win-win to me. It helps the league with Latino fans. It helps Latino fans have a team and matches in the U.S. it can follow, not just friendlies.

It helps cultivate the Latino player base in the U.S., which is often overlooked because of segregated leagues, communities etc.

Someone might argue that it doesn't help develop "other" American player (presumably meaning Anglos) but these players aren't getting an opportunity with MLS anyway. If we add four teams and two of them are meant primarily for Hispanics (not to mention that many of these are also Americans), you still have two other new teams.

The only thing I would object to is a situation where, player X of Latino background, is steered toward one of the MFL-affiliated teams rather than the rest of the league having a fair shot at him.

Overall it's a great kickstart for the league.

[MLS3]

Adu is a great kickstart for the league, who cares about Chivas...

[Eric B]

Originally posted by rdl674
but they question what type of attendance they might get up in the midwest and northeast region of the US.

This suprises me, considering that there are Mexican immigrants everywhere throughout this country, even in the NE. The healthy crowd for the Mexico-Peru friendly at Giants Stadium could attest to that.

Not to mention they might be more willing to submit to Vergara-mania than their West Coast/Southwest counterparts, as one could say they're a little more separated from the homeland (both geopraphically and otherwise).

[uclacarlos]

Originally posted by MLS3
Adu is a great kickstart for the league, who cares about Chivas...
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if this factored into decisions concerning Chivas USA. Freddy definitely highlights the "gimmick" nature of the project...

But it's still a project that will get a ton of press, so it's good to spread out the press worthy news/projects.