Chivas = $$$ we need

[kpaulson]

So many people go on and on about what the "goals" of MLS are. They are usually very high-minded and noble goals.

Which is fantastic, but this is going to cost a boatload of money.

Do Chivas opponents think the appearance of one team, with a guy willing to take MLS losses, so distorts the rest of the league that it's not worth it?

[Levante]

Newsflash to all the doom and gloomers........you know who you are........."MLS is so much more about just making a profit."

Sports is Business.

[efernandez9]

Originally posted by Levante
Newsflash to all the doom and gloomers........you know who you are........."MLS is so much more about just making a profit."

Sports is Business. welcome her Levante

so glad to see you around chivas stuff.

[The Voice of Reason!]

Expect Carona to sign on as a sponsor
Expect Goya
Expect Bimbo
Expect Coke to try like hell to outbis Pepsi
Expect local Sponsorships to far outpace other local teams. and far outpace other Dan Diego sports.
Expect a local TV deal worth actual money.
Expect a national spanish language deal to be worth actual money.
Expect the next ESPN deal to be worth actual money after 2006 (although mainly for the simple fact of adding 2 large markets and 2 coming than just adding to the hispanic market)
Expect average attendance to rise across the league even if it is brought on by fans showing up just to root against the goats.
Depending on the stadium deal, expect the addition of a profitable team.
Expect Chivas De La Guatalahara merchandise to sell, and goats merchandise to not sell so much. either way the team owner benefits, but only one way MLS benefits

so get your expectations up

[uclacarlos]

Originally posted by The Voice of Reason!
Expect Carona to sign on as a sponsor
Expect Goya
Expect Bimbo
Expect Coke to try like hell to outbis Pepsi
Expect local Sponsorships to far outpace other local teams. and far outpace other Dan Diego sports.
Expect a local TV deal worth actual money.
Expect a national spanish language deal to be worth actual money.
Expect the next ESPN deal to be worth actual money after 2006 (although mainly for the simple fact of adding 2 large markets and 2 coming than just adding to the hispanic market)
Expect average attendance to rise across the league even if it is brought on by fans showing up just to root against the goats.
Depending on the stadium deal, expect the addition of a profitable team.
Expect Chivas De La Guatalahara merchandise to sell, and goats merchandise to not sell so much. either way the team owner benefits, but only one way MLS benefits

so get your expectations up
Yeah, wull, Bimbo is FOREIGN!. Don't you SEE that. This is going to be the downfall of the league. USMNT is going to suffer b/c they're gonna bring in all the Mexicans and we're gonna be a FARM team. And the t.v. coverage will be in Spanish, so when I go to watch my team's highlights I won't UNDERSTAND that my team scored 3 goals and Chivas scored 1!!

It's not fair. It's not it's not it's NOT!! ;) :)

[efernandez9]

Originally posted by uclacarlos
Yeah, wull, Bimbo is FOREIGN! Don't you SEE that.
This is going to be the downfall of the league. USMNT is going to suffer b/c they're gonna bring in all the Mexicans and we're gonna be a FARM team.
It's not fair. It's not it's not it's NOT!! not even close to real plans by vergara.

they will not bring any mexicans, the make up of the team will be mainly going for latinos blooded players born in the USA

the SA...could be 3 mexican born, players, and the coach.....

correction: bimbo USA, owns large bread making plants here in texas for the last 3 yrs. Mrs Baird's is one of their brands www.mrsbairds.com

[The Voice of Reason!]

Originally posted by uclacarlos
Yeah, wull, Bimbo is FOREIGN!. Don't you SEE that. This is going to be the downfall of the league. USMNT is going to suffer b/c they're gonna bring in all the Mexicans and we're gonna be a FARM team. And the t.v. coverage will be in Spanish, so when I go to watch my team's highlights I won't UNDERSTAND that my team scored 3 goals and Chivas scored 1!!
It's not fair. It's not it's not it's NOT!!

God I hope you just forgot the smileys on this one.


Yes Bimbo is not an American brand. great! as long as they pay for their sponsorship of the team I am fine with it. Hell The Houston Rockets recive 1 million a year from a Chinese Beer company to advertise. all because of Yao Ming. If MLS can get even 250k from Bimbo it is a good start. the point is that this is a whole new, or at least larger step into an emerging market.
how do you thing Vergas made his money. selling product to Mexicans. nothing wrong with that. nothing wrong at all.

[kpaulson]

Guys,
Don't you actually notice who's usually saying what? Carlos is joking. I think we're supposed to know that because he wrote "Wull" instead of "Well".

I've noticed a lot of people getting upset because of the $12-14m figure mentioned in the AP article as Vergara's startup investment.

If that's all he's really interested in investing, it is worrisome, but I didn't really see anything in the article to suggest that's the case. Just another case of people getting upset before the votes are in.

[uclacarlos]

Originally posted by The Voice of Reason!
God I'm glad you just forgot the smileys on this one.

FYP and FMP. ;)

[Kryptonite]

Originally posted by The Voice of Reason!
Expect Carona to sign on as a sponsor
Expect Coke to try like hell to outbis Pepsi

Expect a national spanish language deal to be worth actual money.
Expect the next ESPN deal to be worth actual money after 2006 (although mainly for the simple fact of adding 2 large markets and 2 coming than just adding to the hispanic market)

The drink sponsors may not happen. Pepsi signed a deal with MLS and it'll be honored. Corona would have to oust Budweiser and that won't happen.

Now, if you're talking about a deal for a TEAM sponsor, I can see that. From 1996-1998, The Crew played in Ohio Stadium where Coke was served. As soon as they got their own stadium, they served Pepsi.

Budweiser taps will be in the stadium where Chivas plays. However, they most certainly won't be the only beer. Look for Corona, other Mexican beers as well as other English/European "soccer" beers in the Chivas' stadium.


The signs around the field will be standard MLS signs. There'll be a few companies that will sign with Chivas to put their signs on the field (DC has one for the DC lottery, Columbus has one for a local radio station...) Of course, when a SSS is built, there'll be plenty of room for local sponsors.

[Sempuukyaku]

Originally posted by Levante
Newsflash to all the doom and gloomers........you know who you are........."MLS is so much more about just making a profit."

Sports is Business.


While I respect your opinion, I feel that this type of thinking is what will doom our league. Before our USMNT went to the quarterfinals of the world cup did we have any exclusively hispanic MLS teams or foreign clubs here? Nope.

I just don't understand then why we feel that having an EXclusive team will do wonders to promote the sport of football amongst ALL communities and backgrounds.

[uclacarlos]

Originally posted by Sempuukyaku
I just don't understand then why we feel that having an EXclusive team will do wonders to promote the sport of football amongst ALL communities and backgrounds.
LEt's get this straight: doom and gloom, let's all freak out b/c the foreigners are coming to invade our country and so I will NEVER watch ANOTHER MLS game ever again, those are the ones "preaching" the exclusivity. There are a number of threads that state that Chivas WILL operate under league guidelines.

So, if nobody has opposed the league guidelines since '96, why are ppl freaking out about these same guidelines in 2003?

The ones in charge say that Chivas is following the rules.

[kpaulson]

Originally posted by Sempuukyaku
While I respect your opinion, I feel that this type of thinking is what will doom our league. Before our USMNT went to the quarterfinals of the world cup did we have any exclusively hispanic MLS teams or foreign clubs here? Nope.
So does that mean you think adding "foreign" clubs will mean that we won't make it to the quarters or just that you're noting that it wasn't necessary for us to have a foreign club in order to make it to the quarters?

If it's the first, I have to say that adding Chivas USA puts MLS in no worse situation vis a vis the national team than it was in 2002.

If it's the second, I agree.

But where's the thinking that will doom our league? I just don't see the logical connection.

I just don't understand then why we feel that having an EXclusive team will do wonders to promote the sport of football amongst ALL communities and backgrounds.

Well, if it stablizes MLS and turns it into a money-maker, the contribution of that "exclusive" team will do wonders for soccer among all communities and backgrounds. That's the simple answer.

The other answer is that one team doesn't need to promote the sport in all communities. Not every TV commercial is designed to appeal to everyone, but a marketing executive will still tell you that it helps promote the brand.

[KLECKO73]

ChivasUSA is the trophy of MLS stupidity. Instead of having a real reserve system where Latinos probably would have made up the majority of new young talent, MLS creates this nonsense. VariousStyles was always correct when he said Chivas was the most popular team America. But instead of attracting and dividing hispanic fans to All the teams, MLS creates a super-block of fans for only one. If your American and in favor of ChivasUSA....your nothing but a whore for Vergara's money.

[masterklh]

If your American and in favor of ChivasUSA....your nothing but a whore for Vergara's money.

damn.. talk about ignorance. I would like to think that Fighting in and for two American wars in the last 2 years would make me some what American.

All I simply want to see is MLS be considered one of the better leagues in and around the world. One that is not looked at like some 3rd rate league as it is now. Chivas is the best way to do that. After 7 years the league hasnt exactly grown by leaps and bounds, and It might need a spark from something outside this country. Chivas could just provide to be that spark.

Regardless who cares? Chivas USA will be from an American City, playing in an American League.. Last time I checked being in support of the possibility of a good American Team was not something Un american, nor does it make me a only go for profit..

Nothing wrong with bringing in some money so MAYBE, MAYBE the league could afford a player like Beckham, or Ronaldo, Raul and the likes of World Class players. Is that so wrong to want top performers.. in effect making MLS a top league?

[kpaulson]

Originally posted by KLECKO73
If your American and in favor of ChivasUSA....your nothing but a whore for Vergara's money.

I thought being a whore for money was the most American of characteristics?

I thought our respect for business and profit was at the core of the American dream?

[uclacarlos]

Originally posted by KLECKO73
If your American and in favor of ChivasUSA....your nothing but a whore for Vergara's money.
Quick grammar review:
your = a possessive adjective; that means it shows possession. Example: Your school did a horrific job preparing you for life.

you're = contraction that is short for "you are." Example: You're going to have to go back to school to learn that life absolute statements are quite easy to refute.

I for one am an American with Latino ascention. Both my parents came to this country fleeing right wing military dictatorships given carte blanche b/c they were simply "not communist" (a very 'American' foreign policy back in the day that still affects our immigration patterns). Although i am not Mexican, I do see the value of this "gimmick": it WILL get a ton of publicity and it will bring in fans that came (or would've come) in '96 but were unimpressed w/ the level. MLS has improved and has quite a few AMERICAN stars w/ whom Mexicans are/will be quite familiar. Some Americanista fans, Pumas fans, Pacheco fans will come out to check out the game and/or root for or vs. Chivas. Many more will be impressed w/ the level of play and come to more games.

So, for away games, there will be 1000-9000 (estimate; could be lower, could be higher) extra Chivas fans and only say 20% return for a game other than Chivas. That's still great for the league. They'll watch on t.v., they'll follow the team and know what's going on.

Plus, it will galvanize Central Americans, who will absolutely come to more games.

I fail to see how this makes me a prostitute of Vergara, when the 2 stadias I (will) frequent (SJ, LA and SD) will have more fans and more rivalries. That's awesome.

[Levante]

Originally posted by Sempuukyaku
While I respect your opinion, I feel that this type of thinking is what will doom our league.

How so? Doesn't the MLS need to make a profit?


Before our USMNT went to the quarterfinals of the world cup did we have any exclusively hispanic MLS teams or foreign clubs here? Nope.

You are now talking about the National team. Don't change the subject.


I just don't understand then why we feel that having an EXclusive team will do wonders to promote the sport of football amongst ALL communities and backgrounds.

The team will field mostly Americans.........it will also give a lot of players of Hispanic descent a decent opportunity.

Oh........and if you're keeping Score.......I will definitely root against this Chivas team.