Sunil's decision to not hand over the entire program to JK, nearly 3 years later.

[CommonSense]

So, the US team is undefeated in WCQ and have a positive record. They've won games, in Europe, against WC06 sides, won the Gold Cup, and have continued the dominance against our biggest rivals.

In Klinssman's first job since 2006, his first managerial success, he's failing miserably.

Perhaps it was prudent, after all, to turn JK's request to basically take control of the entire program after but a single managerial success. Perhaps managers are similar to players, in that weighing a tournament performance too highly can be a huge blunder.

I'm just wondering what a lot of you in the "Fire Bob" category, the same that lambasted USSF for failing to bring JK on, think now that he's doing so poorly and seems to be on his way out.

[IndividualEleven]

In Klinssman's first job since 2006, his first managerial success, he's failing miserably.

The team is 2-2-2 at 9th place out of 18 teams, harldy failing miserably. And yeah, I'd take Klinsmann over Bob anytime.

[oldguyfc]

What is this?, the dumbest thread in the history of the internet?
It wasn't "Sunil's decision" anyway, for the 1,000,000th time.

[Maximum Optimal]

I don't think this is a dumb thread. At the time Sunil was making his decision many of us wondered about Klinsmann's qualifications. Taking the home team to semis in the WC did not exactly seem like a tremendous achievement.

I hope JK does well with Bayern Munich. To me this will be the real test of his coaching acumen. We would have been hiring a somewhat unproven if promising candidate three years ago.

[IndividualEleven]

Klinnsman built up a nice program with the German Team, and his assistant took the squad to the finals of the Euro. Getting to the semis with a rebuilt squad and after having to fight the leadership is pretty impressive. That's all a bit more impressive than what Bob has done.

[ugaaccountant]

Well the idea that our program needed an overhaul was right. Fortunately some of those changes were made anyway, but Klinsman was right about needing change. One good thing Bob adopted was playing road games and top class opponents. Also our U-17 program has made some changes with the development academy and a non "system" coach. I'm not exactly ready to hang a "mission accomplished" banner, but some of the things JK wanted to do have been done.

[sidefootsitter]

What is this?, the dumbest thread in the history of the internet?... The dumbest thread starter at the very least.

Having said that, I wrote on the YA Gameday forum that Klinsmann should have hired a solid #2 for either job.

If Guido Buchwald came along, he probably would have coached the U-23's and maybe the U-20's also.

But Klinsi brought Martin Vasquez from LA with him.

And Martin has no experience in the European football, unless you count Sigi Schmid as a Euro.

Still, Bayern's problems don't seem to stem from bad coaching - the opposition scored a few great goals on them; the new GK screwed the pooch a few times, the experienced defenders fell asleep once or twice or thrice and that added up.

But it's a long season, Bayern's been missing the 2007-08 Bundesliga Player of the Year Franck Ribery and Bundesliga is the most balanced league in Europe to begin with.

[narko]

The knives are being sharpened for Klinsmann already.

He's got to be careful.

The Kaiser is not happy.

[Kermmy803]

What is this?, the dumbest thread in the history of the internet?

Seeing that the title of this thread is factually incorrect, that gives it a head start to the title. :D

[CommonSense]

The dumbest thread starter at the very least.

Having said that, I wrote on the YA Gameday forum that Klinsmann should have hired a solid #2 for either job.

If Guido Buchwald came along, he probably would have coached the U-23's and maybe the U-20's also.

But Klinsi brought Martin Vasquez from LA with him.

And Martin has no experience in the European football, unless you count Sigi Schmid as a Euro.

Still, Bayern's problems don't seem to stem from bad coaching - the opposition scored a few great goals on them; the new GK screwed the pooch a few times, the experienced defenders fell asleep once or twice or thrice and that added up.

But it's a long season, Bayern's been missing the 2007-08 Bundesliga Player of the Year Franck Ribery and Bundesliga is the most balanced league in Europe to begin with.

Coming from the most ridiculously self-aggrandizing, completely arrogant prick on BS, that's a compliment.

Now it's not about JK, it's the #2? Weren't you praising Nowak's tactical acumen after Holland?

Dude, you honestly change your tune whenever the wind blows differently and have the most random, roving justification/logic. Especially considering you were lambasting his German #2, Low, after the Euros basically saying he was a shit manager and Germany got lucky.

Fact is, and I've said it before, USSF's decision to not just hand JK control of our entire program was prudent. Bradenton alumni are moving abroad to bigger clubs at a younger age, many of our U17 and U20 players are training or are linked with quality European clubs. We've moved in the right direction on the youth level, hiring foreign coaches that are allowing us to play open football.

You can be mad at our style of play, but you can't deny results. We've yet to lose to a team you could argue had less talent and have met the primary goals set forth by USSF.

Klinnsy's going to be lucky to make it to 2009, he's got to turn around BM quickly. If you don't think their current table position is a disaster you need to just look at press clippings from Germany. If he's fired from BM it certainly lends credence to the idea that he could have just gotten lucky with a home team in a World-Cup.

[sidefootsitter]

Coming from the most ridiculously self-aggrandizing, completely arrogant prick on BS, that's a compliment.

Thank you.

I'd rather be arrogant that mind-bogglingly idiotic.

[luvdagame]

i think bb is doing a good job so far. but i originally wanted an injection of thinking from outside ussf. i wanted jk to replace arena even tho, as others have pointed out, germany doing well in the wc at home was no evidence that he was a great coach, or even a good coach.

still, klinsmann cannot be judged on the first few games of the season. give him time.

[Rainer24]

Klinnsman built up a nice program with the German Team, and his assistant took the squad to the finals of the Euro. Getting to the semis with a rebuilt squad and after having to fight the leadership is pretty impressive. That's all a bit more impressive than what Bob has done.


The problem with that is that Löw was already pulling the strings tactically back in 06, so it wasn't much of a transition, really. Klinsmann seems at least as much a motivator as a coach. Germany were fairly lucky to make the semis of WC 06, so there was little evidence of him being much of a coach back then and there is even less now.


For most teams in most leagues 9th place at this point wouldn't be a big deal, but is Bayern in the Bundesliga. They think they should have a two or four point lead on everyone else by now, and based on the players they can field, they should. They could hit a hot streak soon, but if they are still mid-table when the winter break rolls around, Klinsmann will probably get the ax.

[Reccossu]

Is the a defense of the decision not to hire JK under his conditions, or a defense of BB today?

I don't have any idea what JK demanded in order to take the job. I would have said that giving him some rope was a better idea than hiring BB as caretaker. Giving him status of USSF emperor? Maybe not, but I am no insider and don't really know what was at issue. In any event, why was the choice only JK or BB? Surely an effective search for the jopb would have identified someone other than Arena-lite -- even if that someone wasn't necessarily everyone's first choice.

How is this relevant to BB today? Even if it is argued that it was the best idea to hire him, it's till my opinion that he is in over his head and that he is not capable of advancing the US beyond where the team already was under Arena.

[bltleo]

I don't think this is a dumb thread. At the time Sunil was making his decision many of us wondered about Klinsmann's qualifications. Taking the home team to semis in the WC did not exactly seem like a tremendous achievement.

I hope JK does well with Bayern Munich. To me this will be the real test of his coaching acumen. We would have been hiring a somewhat unproven if promising candidate three years ago.

Klinsi likes his life in Munich..and despite some difficulties at Bayern Munich, he is doing still good job...o.k..he lost 2 games..but still Bundesliga is just at the beginning..he has enough time...Bayern is in Champions League..and I believe that Klinsi strategy will work for Bayern..

i also think you should slowly forget JK for USMNT..i hope he will stay in Germany!!!:)

she seems to be happy in Munich...in the best city in the world..

Klinsi suits best to Germany and German league.

[bltleo]

i think bb is doing a good job so far. but i originally wanted an injection of thinking from outside ussf. i wanted jk to replace arena even tho, as others have pointed out, germany doing well in the wc at home was no evidence that he was a great coach, or even a good coach.

still, klinsmann cannot be judged on the first few games of the season. give him time.

some people here have nothing to do than to critize Klinsi..

he has nothing to do with USMNT now...

he is coach of Bayern Munich....

and you also can not compare job as coach of a club and coach of national team.
even coaching German team is different than US team.

bundesliga just started..let see how is Klinsi doing the whole season..we should talk about
Klinsi at the end of the season...

and still you can not compare Bayern Munich with USMNT...to coach both teams is absolutely different.

let Klinsi alone..he is in Germany

this topic is not relevant for US Forums!!!

bltleo
Klinsi fan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[england66]

The Kaiser is not happy.


What else is new...the guy is never happy.

[bltleo]

What else is new...the guy is never happy.

because he is perfect:)

Kaiser is enjoing Octoberfest...Kaiser just love good Oktoberfest beer:)
when he is drunk, he is happy:)

I saw many Englishmen and Americans at Octoberfest

[TimB4Last]

Thank you.

I'd rather be arrogant than mind-bogglingly idiotic.

Cannot one be both, Master? This is BigSoccer, after all.

[SCBozeman]

Fact is, and I've said it before, USSF's decision to not just hand JK control of our entire program was prudent.

Prudent? Probably.
Likely to take the USMNT program out of the group round at the WC? Probably not.

Bradenton alumni are moving abroad to bigger clubs at a younger age, many of our U17 and U20 players are training or are linked with quality European clubs.

How has Bradley caused that?
How have the decisions of Sunil heightened that trend?
How would have bringing in Klinsmann lessened it?

I get the feeling that guys like Gyau, Altidore or, god help us, Cervi would be going to Europe regardless. And there might've been a couple more if more of the USSF youth coaching ranks had the Klinsmann stamp of approval, be they new coaches from abroad or not.

We've moved in the right direction on the youth level, hiring foreign coaches that are allowing us to play open football.

Same questions as before: how has Bradley caused this?
How different would the world have been if Klinsmann have been given the reins?
Do you really think this trend would've been lessened?

You can be mad at our style of play, but you can't deny results. We've yet to lose to a team you could argue had less talent and have met the primary goals set forth by USSF.

Um, sure you can. If your standard is "we didn't lose to Cuba or Barbados on the road" then your standard is too low.

Klinnsy's going to be lucky to make it to 2009, he's got to turn around BM quickly. If you don't think their current table position is a disaster you need to just look at press clippings from Germany. If he's fired from BM it certainly lends credence to the idea that he could have just gotten lucky with a home team in a World-Cup.

I wonder how Bradley would do coaching Bayern.

Be that as it may, handing over the program lock, stock and barrel to Klinsmann would've been risky. Klinsmann is a tricky foreign import that may have been a lemon, or may have been an exciting, thrill-ride. Bradley's a ten year old Chevrolet Cavalier.