Subotic to become German

[cleansheetbsc]

Uh, a wall on the border wouldn't be to keep people in, it would be to keep illegals out. Only Communist countries build walls to keep people in.

Wooosh!

[TimB4Last]

Would one of the moderators please change the thread title to "Subotic was German all along!" Thanks in advance. :p

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[GRUNT]

That's a good point and you suggest an option that I haven't really considered: screw the player because he deserves it.

Getting what one deserves is a great ideal in this country, and I hope we all do, including Subotic.

[Adam Zebrowski]

america is the land of the free and the home of the brave..

so subotic is free to choose who he can play for...

and be brave when he doesn't make the german final 23 for south africa

[Maximum Optimal]

You guys keep quoting me and asking me questions as if my posts have been asking for it.

I couldn't care less one way or the other. I say let him walk. But others make convincing arguments that principle and the letter of a rule must be upheld.

Stop asking me why we should be involved.

You should feel honored that we quote you and ask you questions If FIFA chooses to make a travesty of its own rules that's their problem. We should feel sorry for them for debasing themselves in this way. But it isn't our problem. What do you think about this? Sorry I'm only kidding. You don't have to answer the question. But you should feel honored I quoted you again. To quote someone on BS is a greater honor than to give reputation.

By the way, thanks for quoting me in your previous post.

[smithfan]

His former coach Achim Renner (TSV Schwarzenberg), said today: "Everything went well, until the family suddenly should be expelled again although both parents had a job. Their children were integrated and the whole family were on the brink of being naturalised"

http://www.pz-news.de/Home/Nachrichten/Sport/Es-begann-in-Schwarzenberg-_arid,67913_puid,1_pageid,19.html

[smithfan]

Interesting, I thought the 2000 law introduced a citizenship procedure for children born in the country. And the 2008 law introduced a wider naturalization procedure for other residents. I would be surprised if the Subotic family had access to a naturalization procedure that wasn't available to other groups such as the Turks that have been in the country for a long time.

It's new to me too, especially since they had refugee status. Maybe it's already part of writing history new for him :D

[Sandon Mibut]

I suspect it won't be just the US and smaller soccer countries that oppose FIFA allowing Subotic to play for Germany.

I can't imagine all the teams in Germany's WC qualifcation group will be too thrilled with it.

I can't imagine that the traditional Euro powers that might compete with Germany for a Euro championship would be happy about Germany being allowed to userp the rules to get stronger.

And the way Sepp covets votes from Africa and CONCACAF, I just don't see him wanting to alienate the smaller countries by changing the rules for Germany. (Of course, if Germany bribes Jack Warner - or should I saw "when" - then that probably makes any opposition from CONCACAF moot.:eek:)

[TimB4Last]

Getting what one deserves is a great ideal in this country, and I hope we all do, including Subotic.

http://www.pz-news.de/cms_media/module_bi/88/44052_0_gross_760_008_1277300_nven_subot.jpg

[Sandon Mibut]

His former coach Achim Renner (TSV Schwarzenberg), said today: "Everything went well, until the family suddenly should be expelled again although both parents had a job. Their children were integrated and the whole family were on the brink of being naturalised"

http://www.pz-news.de/Home/Nachrichten/Sport/Es-begann-in-Schwarzenberg-_arid,67913_puid,1_pageid,19.htmlBut how would Achim actually know this? Because Nevin says so? This sounds like PR spin unless Achim Renner was friends with the Subotices before they got das boot in Germany.

(And yes, I know boot means something different in German than it does in American slang.)

[superdave]

I suspect it won't be just the US and smaller soccer countries that oppose FIFA allowing Subotic to play for Germany.

I can't imagine all the teams in Germany's WC qualifcation group will be too thrilled with it.

I can't imagine that the traditional Euro powers that might compete with Germany for a Euro championship would be happy about Germany being allowed to userp the rules to get stronger.
Good point, and let me expand on it.

Nations with lots of immigrants who are traditional soccer powers (England, Germany, France, etc.) will like FIFA changing the rule. Other nations that have fewer immigrants, not so much. I'm not an expert on European immigration, but wouldn't this rule "hurt" Italy and Spain by giving their main rivals a chance to add players?

[Maximum Optimal]

It's new to me too, especially since they had refugee status. Maybe it's already part of writing history new for him :D

Upon further research, I see that refugees do have the option of applying for citizenship after residing for six years in the country. Of course this option was no longer there once they moved to the US in 1999.

[TimB4Last]

But how would Achim actually know this? Because Nevin says so? This sounds like PR spin unless Achim Renner was friends with the Subotices before they got das boot in Germany.

(And yes, I know boot means something different in German than it does in American slang.)

It's clear the Germans have called all hands on deck, but the fundamental problem appears on its face to be insoluble.

If NS had been eligible for German Citizenship way back when (he and his family first resided there), why did Germany boot them out? Some administrative error that has just now been uncovered?

[Maximum Optimal]

I'm not an expert on European immigration, but wouldn't this rule "hurt" Italy and Spain by giving their main rivals a chance to add players?

It is interesting to note that Italy and Spain have done just fine lately while facing other countries whose national teams have benefited far more from immigration.

[chad]

If NS had been eligible for German Citizenship way back when (he and his family first resided there), why did Germany boot them out? Some administrative error that has just now been uncovered?In other news, Kafka has become the German national author!

[Maximum Optimal]

It's clear the Germans have called all hands on deck, but the fundamental problem appears on its face to be insoluble.

If NS had been eligible for German Citizenship way back when (he and his family first resided there), why did Germany boot them out? Some administrative error that has just now been uncovered?

My reading of FIFA's Article 18 is that the key question is whether he had German citizenship when he played for the US U17 team in 2005. The answer is no.

A more expansive reading of Article 18 might change the question to whether he had eligibility for German citizenship in 2005? Again the answer appears to be no because eligibility presupposes permanent residency. And the Subotic family were not permanent residents of Germany in 2005.

[Jamie Z.]

he knows that to play for German NT is better than to play for US team because with German team he can be more successfull..there is more chance to win EUro or world cup..than with the USA..this is only his motivation..

I certainly agree that Neven is more likely to win the Euros with Germany than with the US.

[Maximum Optimal]

In other news, Kafka has become the German national author!

Depends on whether someone born in Austria-Hungary is considered a German citizen. :)

[chad]

Depends on whether someone born in Austria-Hungary is considered a German citizen. :);)

It'll be taken care of.

[Maximum Optimal]

;)

It'll be taken care of.

Your papers please Herr Kafka.

This reminds me of some visits to the Bundesbank I used to make in my prior jobs. I always enjoyed the submachine gun armed guards at the passport checkpoint. And they had one unique security check that other central banks felt was unnecessary: a weigh-in both upon entering and departing the building. I guess to make sure no one was leaving with some of Buba's gold in their pockets.