How many CLs will be won by a club outside of England/Spain/Italy in the next 15 years?

[pc4th]

How many CLs will be won by a club outside of England/Spain/Italy in the next 15 years?

I don't see a club from France, Holland, Portugal winning it any time soon.

Maybe a club from Germany if they are lucky.

If a club from Russia want to compete, they need to spend around $200 mil a year. Probably be able to withstand losses of around $150 mil a year. Even then, they might have only a 1/5 shot.

[SportBoy333]

Probably none unless things are changed. I know it wont be France though. I am a French fan and its no coincidence that 2 French teams yesterday got beat by 2 English teams who have much bigger budgets. The gap between those 2 leagues just keeps widening. Maybe Lyon has an outside chance of winning it if things fall right one of these years.

I think maybe a team like Fenerbache has the best chance whos not in the top 3 leagues. I think they have a better shot than anyone from Holland or Portugal. Bayren Munich is possible but I read last year their president complaining that they can't compete financially with teams from the top 3. Maybe they'll have to be really lucky as well one of these years to win it. Anyway, things arent looking too good if you want the EPL dominance to end and its only getting worse unless someome steps in and trys to change things.

[ECMoney]

Bayern Munich is the only team I think has a chance over the next 15 years.
Portuguese teams tend to win once every 20 years
besides that, Lyon if they continue to spend???

[SportBoy333]

They can continue to spend and keep raiding Ligue 1 but if they cant sign good foreigners then its not happening.

[zippy85]

Germany is a league on the up, they're third regarding revenue and have far more money making potential than Spain, I think within the next four years the Bundesliga will be a top three league, add to that Russia's recent growth I say four in fifteen years.

[Cirdan]

I agree that Germany is rising, but I'm not sure if it will be enough to compete in the CL, especially against English teams - there are setbacks regarding money for broadcasting rights right now. Also a lot will depend on if Italy overcomes its problems or spirals down further.

It will be 1-4, I think 1 or 2 will be won by an outsider (someone like Zenit, Fener, Lyon, PSV, Porto) and 0-3 might be won by a reemerging Bundesliga, depending on its development and the development of the big 3.

[FNU]

With a little luck, any team could do it. Realistically, Bayern is a good contender and other German teams as well. Then we have teams from France, Turkey, and Portugal next in line. Russia, Holland, and Romania to follow.

Next 15 yrs? The odds would be 1-5 IMO.

[pc4th]

With a little luck, any team could do it. Realistically, Bayern is a good contender and other German teams as well. Then we have teams from France, Turkey, and Portugal next in line. Russia, Holland, and Romania to follow.

Next 15 yrs? The odds would be 1-5 IMO.

But can any of those teams compete with Man Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal, Real, Barcelona, Milan (both) on a regular basis?

I would put Bayern Munich at a 1/16 chance of winning it each year.

[BocaFan]

Current odds on which country will have the club that wins 2008/9 Champions League:

England even
Spain 2/1
Italy 7/2
Any other country 8/1

[RickChelsea]

Bayern are still one of the richest clubs in the world, but because of rules in Germany regarding debt payments and all the like, they cant loan as much money as the other leagues

[ZimbabweBob]

it is pretty likely that a club from Germany win the Champions League in the next 15 years, probably Bayern but it could be a different club also (15 years is a long time)

the financial rules involving investors in Germany will most likely be lifted, and German clubs will be back near the top again albeit at less popular level internationally than English or Spanish clubs

hell, the Bundesliga will be passing Serie A in short time despite the rules



as for other countries: France, Portugal and Turkey have big clubs that could possibly win it and I wouldn't be surprised if an oil/natural gas Eastern european club won it


it's really difficult to say what the landscape of European soccer will look like a decade from now...back in 1999, it had been 15 years since an English club had won it all, and now it looks like there will be an extended run of English dominance

[Sagy]

But can any of those teams compete with Man Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal, Real, Barcelona, Milan (both) on a regular basis? They don't need to do it on a regular basis. Five+ of these teams will make it to the round of 16 every year. With a lucky draw one of these teams can make it to the 1/2 finals without facing any of the 8 teams you mentioned. From that point "all" you need is two good games (a minimal loss at the other 1/2 final can do the job). Two games is hardly "regular basis", but it will require luck.

I would put Bayern Munich at a 1/16 chance of winning it each year.In other words there is a 62% chance that B.M. will win that CL at least once in the next 15 years. I think that FNU's assessment of 1 to 5 non-ENG/ESP/ITA CL wins is spot on. If I have to go with a single number it will be 2.

[MilanOnlyMilan]

it is pretty likely that a club from Germany win the Champions League in the next 15 years, probably Bayern but it could be a different club also (15 years is a long time)

the financial rules involving investors in Germany will most likely be lifted, and German clubs will be back near the top again albeit at less popular level internationally than English or Spanish clubs

hell, the Bundesliga will be passing Serie A in short time despite the rules



as for other countries: France, Portugal and Turkey have big clubs that could possibly win it and I wouldn't be surprised if an oil/natural gas Eastern european club won it


it's really difficult to say what the landscape of European soccer will look like a decade from now...back in 1999, it had been 15 years since an English club had won it all, and now it looks like there will be an extended run of English dominance
Absolutely no signs of that. Serie a is on the rise at the moment, with a lot of competetive teams, not to mention a lot more worldwide supported teams than there are in Germany.

[goliath74]

There is about a dozen clubs that can compete with the top league clubs on any given day. But can they consistently win? Unlikely.

My club Dynamo Kyiv sure can compete (largely at home) against the best of English teams (as they did in game day 1 against Arsenal). Might even win (were 5 minutes from a victory against Arsenal), on an occasion. But, in England, they will get pounded.

Same with many other teams. They may beat the grands once or twice in a given year, but can they maintain that form throughout?

[blanc]

I called 3; A German team x2 (guess who) and a Russian/French/Portguese team.

:)

[Emperor_Norton]

Absolutely no signs of that. Serie a is on the rise at the moment, with a lot of competetive teams, not to mention a lot more worldwide supported teams than there are in Germany.

I would argue that the Bundesliga`s total revenues for 2008/09 are expected to be 1.42 billion euros - in comparison to Serie A`s 1.43 billion euros. Financially, there is not much of a gap between Serie A and Bundesliga.

[RickChelsea]

I don't thin Serie A is on the rise :|

The stadiums are falling apart, hooliganism is rife, there is still that stigma about match fixing around, attendances are crumbling. Bundesliga attendances are twice as big as Serie A's, the stadiums are world class, there is no record of match fixing, you hardly ever hear of hooliganasm, and Bundesliga clubs are as wealthy, if not wealthier than the Italian clubs, despite being handicapped with the rules in Germany. The day that the restrictions on money in Germany is abolished is the day that Serie A will get overlaped buy the Bundesliga.

[MilanOnlyMilan]

I don't thin Serie A is on the rise :|

The stadiums are falling apart, hooliganism is rife, there is still that stigma about match fixing around, attendances are crumbling. Bundesliga attendances are twice as big as Serie A's, the stadiums are world class, there is no record of match fixing, you hardly ever hear of hooliganasm, and Bundesliga clubs are as wealthy, if not wealthier than the Italian clubs, despite being handicapped with the rules in Germany. The day that the restrictions on money in Germany is abolished is the day that Serie A will get overlaped buy the Bundesliga.

Just can't take your opinion seriously. Such a typical comment from Serie a hater. Lots of exaggeration, and total lack of knowledge of the real situation in Italian football. There are problems in Italy, but it's nowhere near as bad as you are trying to say. Also all the bad things you mention about Italian football, have nothing to do with the actual quality of football that is played there, and that is, in my opinion, the most important factor which shows which country has the better league.

[pablo85]

You'll never know what will happen, maybe some billionaires buy all Luxemburgs teams, maybe the UEFA makes rules about the amount of foreign players in a team, maybe they will change the setup of the Champions League, maybe when the European government gets more influence in 15 year in our countries they may make an end of clubs with a millions Euro debt.
So if you want to know how much they will win, you have to wait 15 years.

Who would have said 15 years ago that Ajax Amsterdam would be a little club, and that Chelsea would be a potential Champions League winner.

[Chess_Panther]

Benfica is exploiting the marketing area very well in the last years. Not only only ended the financial crysis but also hired players like Di Maria, Reyes, Pablo Aimar, Diego Suazo and is the club with most fans in the world (official).

Benfica has the potential to be a colossus in Europe, so for me, it's the next bet...

Lyon, Bayern Munchen and some eastern magnat owned club might have a shot at it too.