What factors influence a players transfer to another country?

[Duck Manson]

I understand that non EPL fans are frustrated and angry about the current state of European football and the dominance of the EPL. However, isn't this the nature of sport? That's not really true. Wasn't too long ago there were two Italian teams in the final. Won't be too long before that happens again. Even with all this money there is one thing these bastards can't buy and that is the weather. Most of the best players come from a warmer climate then England and prefer the latin culture. Let's face it, England is a crap country to live in. Once Serie A and La Liga teams get some new stadiums and get rid of those goddamn troublemakers, it'll go back to the way it used to be. Count on it.

[ApproachWithCaution]

That's not really true. Wasn't too long ago there were two Italian teams in the final. Won't be too long before that happens again. Even with all this money there is one thing these bastards can't buy and that is the weather. Most of the best players come from a warmer climate then England and prefer the latin culture. Let's face it, England is a crap country to live in. Once Serie A and La Liga teams get some new stadiums and get rid of those goddamn troublemakers, it'll go back to the way it used to be. Count on it.

I think you misunderstood me. I didn't mean that English dominance was the nature of sport. I simply meant that in sport, there are periods when certain teams, countries and leagues are more successful than others and that we happen to be experiencing one such period with the financial dominance of the EPL.

I agree with your prediction that eventually there will be another all Italian and all Spanish final. But on the same token, i also believe there will be another all English final. :cool:

As for your frankly insulting and unnecessary comment about England being a crap country to live in. Well, the weather isn't great. But our cities are great and so are us Brits and if you judge countries based on their weather; climate change is going to have you changing your opinions every few decades or so. :rolleyes:

[Duck Manson]

As for your frankly insulting and unnecessary comment about England being a crap country to live in. Well, the weather isn't great. But our cities are great and so are us Brits and if you judge countries based on their weather; climate change is going to have you changing your opinions every few decades or so. :rolleyes:What English city is great you say? They all look the same. Like someone died and everyone tried to reflect that in everything that's been built. Now, I've only been to London, Manchester and Liverpool, but I suspect it's the same all over. England is ugly, crowded, way too expensive and the weather is shit. It's not an insult. It's just the way it is. The football and the people are great though.

[zippy85]

What English city is great you say? They all look the same. Like someone died and everyone tried to reflect that in everything that's been built. Now, I've only been to London, Manchester and Liverpool, but I suspect it's the same all over. England is ugly, crowded, way too expensive and the weather is shit. It's not an insult. It's just the way it is. The football and the people are great though.
The only other place in Europe i would rarther live than London would be some areas in Spain, thats it.

I also doubt you have been to those three cities, maybe one at the most.

[lost]

What English city is great you say? They all look the same. Like someone died and everyone tried to reflect that in everything that's been built. Now, I've only been to London, Manchester and Liverpool, but I suspect it's the same all over. England is ugly, crowded, way too expensive and the weather is shit. It's not an insult. It's just the way it is. The football and the people are great though.

yes, ive been to a few italian cities too. they are all run down, collapsing and out of date. the people are reactionary a holes in general. the economy is a joke, the black market runs rife. the stadiums are sh!tholes. the weather in italies version of 'modern' cities (and i use that term lighlty) like milan or turin is awful for most of the year. looking at yr average car you would think you were closer to khazakstan than a modern european country. oh, and the football is awful for most to watch.

oh, and i would never live i a country where the police are more likely to cause and commit crimes than your average citizen, it just wouldnt make sense to.

still, i like the food a lot.

[johan neeskens]

yes, ive been to a few italian cities too. they are all run down, collapsing and out of date. the people are reactionary a holes in general. the economy is a joke, the black market runs rife. the stadiums are sh!tholes. the weather in italies version of 'modern' cities (and i use that term lighlty) like milan or turin is awful for most of the year. looking at yr average car you would think you were closer to khazakstan than a modern european country. oh, and the football is awful for most to watch.

oh, and i would never live i a country where the police are more likely to cause and commit crimes than your average citizen, it just wouldnt make sense to.

still, i like the food a lot.

Dutch average attendance figures in the eredivisie despite the allegedly rubbish football that's played in the eredivisie have almost surpassed Italian average attendance figures. Considering that Italy has three times the population of the Netherlands, this alone probably underscores that the Italians too think their stadiums are shitholes (or that their football is hardly worth watching, I'm not sure)

[Duck Manson]

The only other place in Europe i would rarther live than London would be some areas in Spain, thats it.

I also doubt you have been to those three cities, maybe one at the most.Why would you doubt that? I admit I just passed through Manchester on my way to Liverpool.

[johan neeskens]

What English city is great you say? They all look the same. Like someone died and everyone tried to reflect that in everything that's been built. Now, I've only been to London, Manchester and Liverpool, but I suspect it's the same all over. England is ugly, crowded, way too expensive and the weather is shit. It's not an insult. It's just the way it is. The football and the people are great though.

England is expensive and the weather's bad, you're right. As for the rest of what you're saying: what a load of bollix. There are good parts and bad parts in every single city and every single country on earth, and whether a specific architecture appeals or not is completely subjective. One thing is for certain though: England overall is a lot better organised and managed than Italy is. On every level. Check any World Economic Forum, EU or what have you report. Or indeed ask an Italian who actually lives in Italy what they think of how their country is governed.

[zippy85]

Why would you doubt that? I admit I just passed through Manchester on my way to Liverpool.
I just didn't believe in your opinion.

Also, don't go to Liverpool(dump) or Manchester(although it is getting better), they're two of the worst parts of England, and whatever you do don't go any further to Scotland.

[zippy85]

England is expensive and the weather's bad, you're right. As for the rest of what you're saying: what a load of bollix. There are good parts and bad parts in every single city and every single country on earth, and whether a specific architecture appeals or not is completely subjective. One thing is for certain though: England overall is a lot better organised and managed than Italy is. On every level. Check any World Economic Forum, EU or what have you report. Or indeed ask an Italian who actually lives in Italy what they think of how their country is governed.
Didn't expect that from you.:eek:

[johan neeskens]

Didn't expect that from you.:eek:

I can't help that you for some reason have it in your mind that I don't like England. My husband's English and my child's half-English FFS! All I ever argue against is big money killing football and most of that money just happens to be in the premiership. And that big money isn't even English for the most part, as we all know.

[Duck Manson]

Organised? Are you drunk? I have never met a person who has been excited about going to England for any other reason then shopping and football. That can hardly be said about Italy and Spain.

[zippy85]

I can't help that you for some reason have it in your mind that I don't like England. My husband's English and my child's half-English FFS! All I ever argue against is big money killing football and most of that money just happens to be in the premiership. And that big money isn't even English for the most part, as we all know.
Barring Chelsea and Man city the rest of the money in th Premier League is earned through revenue due to the English promoting the league so we could catch up regarding revenue after the ban.
But don't let the facts cloud your jealousy.

[johan neeskens]

Organised? Are you drunk? I have never met a person who has been excited about going to England for any other reason then shopping and football. That can hardly be said about Italy and Spain.

So this is your point? People prefer Italy to England as a holiday destination? And this makes Italy a better country than England? Here's a thought for you: Indonesia has a much nicer climate and draws a lot more tourists than England. Where would you rather live then? In Indonesia or England?

[Duck Manson]

I just didn't believe in your opinion.

Also, don't go to Liverpool(dump) or Manchester(although it is getting better), they're two of the worst parts of England, and whatever you do don't go any further to Scotland.Well I wasn't there for the scenery really. I don't mind that it looks like shit as a tourist. I go there to watch football and drink. I'd never live in London though. I'd choke. Too crowded. Too expensive.

[zippy85]

http://www.tribalfootball.com/?q=node/200542

Del Piero ''In England... one lives better than in Italy''

[Duck Manson]

So this is your point? People prefer Italy to England as a holiday destination? And this makes Italy a better country than England? Here's a thought for you: Indonesia has a much nicer climate and draws a lot more tourists than England. Where would you rather live then? In Indonesia or England?No it means that most players prefer the latin culture and climate. The only reason PL got the stars now is money. If all things equal financially you'd have some Norwegian and Welsh playing in England and that's it. Pretty much like it used to be before PL became a monster money-maker.

[Duck Manson]

http://www.tribalfootball.com/?q=node/200542

Del Piero ''In England... one lives better than in Italy''TribalFootball? Are you 12 years old?

[johan neeskens]

No it means that most players prefer the latin culture and climate. The only reason PL got the stars now is money. If all things equal financially you'd have some Norwegian and Welsh playing in England and that's it. Pretty much like it used to be before PL became a monster money-maker.

Oh dear. We've been through this before. So you seriously believe that players would prefer to join a club in a country that's a better holiday destination than England. (.........................................)

Plenty of Dutch players have had the choice between England and Spain, both in the past and in the present - I'm pretty confident that the likes of Barcelona and Madrid these days pay as much as the likes of ManU and Chelsea, aren't you? Yet one portion of Dutch players will always prefer England while the other prefers Spain or Italy. Bergkamp for example. After one miserable season in Italy he joined Arsenal. He had plenty of offers from 'latino' clubs whilst at Arsenal. Yet why did he stay? Because he knew that the style of football suited him best. And that argument is about a billion times heavier than the weather. Unless you're a latino homo who can't stand the cold and the wet, of course, in which case you have no business being in professional European football to start off with.

[zippy85]

Oh dear. We've been through this before. So you seriously believe that players would prefer to join a club in a country that's a better holiday destination than England. (.........................................)

Plenty of Dutch players have had the choice between England and Spain, both in the past and in the present - I'm pretty confident that the likes of Barcelona and Madrid these days pay as much as the likes of ManU and Chelsea, aren't you? Yet one portion of Dutch players will always prefer England while the other prefers Spain or Italy. Bergkamp for example. After one miserable season in Italy he joined Arsenal. He had plenty of offers from 'latino' clubs whilst at Arsenal. Yet why did he stay? Because he knew that the style of football suited him best. And that argument is about a billion times heavier than the weather. Unless you're a latino homo who can't stand the cold and the wet, of course, in which case you have no business being in professional European football to start off with.
Neeskens stop srewing with my head, can't you go back to slagging off England, you're starting to say things I like and I don't like it, I enjoy hating you, go back to the old Neeskens.