Bautista vs Mendoza

[Various Styles]

Jesus "Sparky" Mendoza

http://www.mediotiempo.com/images/jugadores/211.jpg

birth date: 1/10/1979
birth place: Mexico D.F.
birth Nation: Mexico
height: 178
weight: 72
nationality: Mexico
position: forward
Goals Scored in the past two years (6)



Adolfo "Bofo" Bautista

http://www.terra.com.mx/galeria_de_fotos/images/63/124640.jpg

birth date: 5/15/1979
birth place: Dolores Hidalgo
birth Nation: Mexico
height: 180
weight: 64
nationality: Mexico
position: forward
Goals scored in the past two years (10)

[Various Styles]

Rdl and yours truly are having a discussion on who is the overall better player. He think's that Mendoza is better becauae he sits in Americas bench and in two years has only been able to score 6 goals and cant become a regular starter !!!

I have been trying to talk some sense into rdl telling him that Bautista is the real deal. Scoring ten goals with a lackluster Tecos squad is a good achievement. Now that he is with Morelia, Bautista will surely double his tally..

[toot86]

RDL is just kissing up to mendoza because he is America material...

But Bautista is kinda like Blanco in his vision and his ingnorance to try anything..

Mendoza is like Palencia in his workrate but too humble to be spectacular..

Bautista is are next Mexican star.. like blanco

but mendoza is not bad to have either he never gives up .. But bofo probally doesnt either

[Machetazo]

No doubt about it Bofo is better than Mendocrap.
I'd bet if Americrap would have a choice
between the two they'd surley pick Bofo without a doubt.

[LMvCP]

Originally posted by Various Styles
Rdl and yours truly are having a discussion on who is the overall better player.

Not much of a discussion when you are no match for my intellect.

He think's that Mendoza is better becauae he sits in Americas bench and in two years has only been able to score 6 goals and cant become a regular starter !!!

-Mendoza-

Apertura 2002 América
Verano 2002 América
Invierno 2001 América
Verano 2001 América
Invierno 2000 América
Verano 2000 Chivas
Invierno 1999 Chivas
Verano 1999 León
Invierno 1998 León
Verano 1998 León
Verano 1997 León

-Bautista-

Apertura 2002 Morelia
Verano 2002 Tecos
Invierno 2001 Tecos
Verano 2001 Tecos
Invierno 2000 Tecos
Verano 2000 Tecos
Invierno 1999 Tecos
Verano 1999 Tecos
Invierno 1998 Tecos
Verano 1998 Tecos

I started to watch Mendoza back in 99 when I was living in Mexico. I studied one semester in Tampico and the other in Monterrey. Also, the Panamerican games were on that summer in Winnepeg. Thats when i started to watch keep my eye out on players such as Mendoza, Nava, Victorino, etc. A couple of them were 19-20.

So, I liked Mendoza way before he was with America. In fact he was still with Leon and then he went to Chivas (where I did really hate him for a year or so), and then AMERICA. Afterall, AMerica always tries to go for the very best. Too bad Bofo was never on that list.

But you want to talk about starting. Mendoza could go to any team in the MFL and be an automatic starter. Yet, he has to fight and make his keep in America. He has to fight for his fob EVERY day against Lipatin, Zamorano, Blanco, Hernandez, Patiño, etc. And yet, he still started the super clasico. And yet he still saw a lot of playing time last year. His greatest assest is his versatility whereas thats Buatistas biggest liability is his versatility.

I have been trying to talk some sense into rdl telling him that Bautista is the real deal. Scoring ten goals with a lackluster Tecos squad is a good achievement. Now that he is with Morelia, Bautista will surely double his tally..

How... the offense was set up for him to score.


Athletic ability

Mendoza is faster and more mobile. He also weighs more than Bautista but looks skinnier... which means he has more muscle.

Position

Bautista can only play forward

Mendoza can play any position up front and also can play both wings. He is a natural righty, but has always played from the left.

Attitute

Mendoza is a team player. No temper tantrums. Very unselfish, but selfish when he has to be

Buatista... WHOAA dont get me started. A primma Donna and not even a star yet. His teammates hate him. He got into a fight with one of them. THe coach told them to calm down... what does he do?? He waits for the guy after practice to beat the living shyt out of him. Put him in the hospitol where ..broke his nose and had stiches. THENN to make matters worse....the next day during the team meeting.. when the players want to know what the deal was... he threatens to beat the shyt out of every teammate AND I MEAN EVERYONE. the assistant coach had to get him out of there and escort him out. One of his teammates said, "After he got called up to the national team, his feet has not touched the ground"

I am surprised VS did not include that? But he is trying to steal your vote. Afterall.. he post a picture of Buatista against America... and only post a pic of Mendoza that looks more of a passport...

VS, since you dont keep up with the youth players... since you dont even know about people like Garza or Nava ...tell me about Bofo as a young 17 year old on the youth team? Was he even on that team?

I know Mendoza has matured quite nicely.. and gone up through the ranks

[LMvCP]

WOW.. VS

you have toot on your side...

Now I know I am right...

:D



Cmon VS... I is waiting...

what are their track records?


BTW... if you are looking at stat sheets... thats cool... I can go off of games that I have watched..

:D

VS is just mad that he lost the best to me and that he has to pay me Premuim membershio services..

JAJAJAJAAJAJ

[toot86]

Blanco isnt versatile.? Blanco has a temper blanco sometimes isnt a team player and blanco is a Pre modanna but it doesnt stop him from being one of the best forwards mexico has had <<

Bauitista is the same you see magic with bautista you dont see it with mendoza ...

[Various Styles]

Once again Toot speaks the truth. Preach on brotha Toot, that we must set rdl on the path of righteousness.

Let me just add, that if Mendoza was as good as RDL wants us to believe Club America would of never bought Hernandez, Lipatin or Zamorano. Not even when Blanco left to Valladolid on loan was Mendoza able to secure a starting spot. Instead Patino came from La Piedad and has had more of an impact..

Now Bautista on the other hand, with less time in Primera is allready becoming one of Mexicos best strikers. This year looks like he will dominate the MFL his past two games with Morelia have been excellent..

[LMvCP]

Originally posted by toot86
Blanco isnt versatile.? Blanco has a temper blanco sometimes isnt a team player and blanco is a Pre modanna but it doesnt stop him from being one of the best forwards mexico has had <<

Bauitista is the same you see magic with bautista you dont see it with mendoza ...

Blanco is versatile...He can play any position up front. Attacking mid. And both wings.


You are crazy if you think Bautista is versatile. That guy has two right feet.

Like I said... that guy just runs down the sideline... makes a break for it...and either turns over the ball or hits it wide...And when he does score... it does look beautiful and that is why they hype him up so much.... but he is not real consistant. You have to be careful with TV making your stars. They will pass that clip over and over and over.. and pretty soon you will think that he is a star...

[LMvCP]

Originally posted by Various Styles
Once again Toot speaks the truth. Preach on brotha Toot, that we must set rdl on the path of righteousness.

Let me just add, that if Mendoza was as good as RDL wants us to believe Club America would of never bought Hernandez, Lipatin or Zamorano. Not even when Blanco left to Valladolid on loan was Mendoza able to secure a starting spot. Instead Patino came from La Piedad and has had more of an impact..

Now Bautista on the other hand, with less time in Primera is allready becoming one of Mexicos best strikers. This year looks like he will dominate the MFL his past two games with Morelia have been excellent..

Hold up VS... use a little bit more of your brain here... but if he does not get enought playing time... and Bofo is an automatic starter.... how is it that bofo only has ten and Chuwy only has 6. Thats not a big difference in goals. Could it be that time Chuy does play.. he actually makes the most of it.

remember VS... Chuwy works hard day in and day out because he knows that if he sneezes wrong.. that he will find himself in the second division.... OHHHH I forgot Bofo was sent down to the second division last year.. HAHAHAAH

Please dont say one of Mexico's best strickers.. please dont.... VS... i understand that you dont have access to all of Mexico;s news and stuf... but dont let Azteca America fool you.

You always talked shyt about Hernandez being s side show and how he use to interrupt the program with his orgies and shyt...

What about Bofo? His teammates hate him....

please dont contradict yourself.

[LMvCP]

I tell you what VS....

it doesnt take much to win you over....

If you were a girl.. I bet any guy would score with you with a happy meal..

You pumped up de Nigris too be something he is not.

You did the same with Melvin Brown

You did the same with Eduardo Isella

You did the same with Bofo Bautista

Just dont do it to Aldo de Nigris.


And the guys that you should be doing them to.. you wont because they play for America....

Castro, Salinas, Mendoza...... Alll young guys that have worked hard... busted thier ass.....

Its real easy for America to go buy, but the fact that these kids are actually starting at the ages of 19-20-21... and doing it on a consistant basis.. means that they are good. Otherwise... America would turn the other way and buy one...

I am not going to lie.... America sometimes will buy a player instead of making one. They have made a lot of great ones.. but I want them to make even more instead of buying them... and that is why i like the fact that players like Castro, Sanchez, Becerra, Salinas all are coming from America's reserves...

and the fact that they want to relocate and build something (many people are speculating an academy) will be good not for America, but for Mexican football.




Dont do it to Pity or Lopez or Castro or Salinas .. let them play...

[toot86]

1 question to prove rdl wrong... Who has scored more goals with the main national team??

[LMvCP]

Originally posted by toot86
1 question to prove rdl wrong... Who has scored more goals with the main national team??

Do scoring against Central American teams count?


Pleasseeeee toot... dont even attempt to grow a brain on me...

When I want your opinion.. I will give it to you.. :D

[Various Styles]

You pumped up de Nigris too be something he is not.

De Nigris was at one point a leading goalscorer in the MFL. since then Moneterrey had two bad seasons that obviously affected his oportunitys.

All in all De Nigris has scored more goals in one season than Mendoxza has done in two years.

You did the same with Melvin Brown

Melvin Brown went to the World Cup, Mendoza didnt. He is still a young player with a bright future ahead of him. Remeber the Terresa Herrera Cup, Melvin was one of Cruz Azuls stand out players.

You did the same with Eduardo Isella

Isella is still in Primera division. He has been having a hard time. Lets wait and see what he does with Chiapas this season..

You did the same with Bofo Bautista.

Is he not tearing it up with Morelia :)

[LMvCP]

De Nigris was at one point a leading goalscorer in the MFL. since then Moneterrey had two bad seasons that obviously affected his oportunitys.

He has never finished top goal scorer in the MFL.

And the fact that they spanaird coach and the coach that was there last year... set up the offense for him.

All in all De Nigris has scored more goals in one season than Mendoxza has done in two years.

Yet, de Nigris has not done real well on the national team.. and before you bring up the games againbst Brazil, Liberia, and Jamaica..... what other games has he scored on that actually meant something?

Melvin Brown went to the World Cup, Mendoza didnt. He is still a young player with a bright future ahead of him. Remeber the Terresa Herrera Cup, Melvin was one of Cruz Azuls stand out players.

And he lost his starting job.

Going into the World Cup... he was slipping and he is still slipping.

Isella is still in Primera division. He has been having a hard time. Lets wait and see what he does with Chiapas this season..

Pleasee forget that fooool

Is he not tearing it up with Morelia :)

2 games? Come on? Thats premature... dont you think?

But why do you fail to talk about his departure with Tecos?

Or the fact that that his teammates dont like him? Or his past?

What the hell has he done on the national team?

Jesus... its really pathetic on your part to get a boner because he scored against sorry ass guatemala's team

[Various Styles]

He has never finished top goal scorer in the MFL.

No he hasnt but neither has Mendoza. I was just pointing out that he used to top the charts, at least De Nigris was in the top five leading goalscorers. I doubt Mendoza has ever been ranked that high..

And the fact that they spanaird coach and the coach that was there last year... set up the offense for him.

That means a lot. Considering that De Nigris is a rookie shows how much potential he has for a squad to be built around him..


Yet, de Nigris has not done real well on the national team..

And neither has Mendoza. I think De Nigris scored more goals in el Tri than Mendoza did, and Mendoza played more games !!!

This discussion is about Bautista vs Mendoza so dont bring in other players. A strikers job is to score goals, At the end of the season we shall see which player has been more effective..

[Rafael Hernandez]

Bautista by far. There is no way that one can say that Mendoza is faster and more skillful than Bofo. The people who have said that Mendoza is more of a rugged figher player are right. His kind of like Palencia of old. But he doesn't have the vision and speed that Bofo has. If anyone sees his game against Morelia with Tecos on the liguilla (the year Santos won) you would see that.


As for RD74, I think you may be biased for America. I know that all those young players America has are great, they really are. I give kudos to them. But to say that they are better than Melvin Brown I think is biased. Brown already has proven himself in the libertadores and with the national team ( He was great against Honduras). He has nothing to envy for the Americanistas.

In the end I think they are both talented but Bofo more and in the end both get risk to not develop as I thought has happened with Mendoza. But Bofo is the most talented.

[LMvCP]

Originally posted by Rafael Hernandez
Bautista by far. There is no way that one can say that Mendoza is faster and more skillful than Bofo. The people who have said that Mendoza is more of a rugged figher player are right. His kind of like Palencia of old. But he doesn't have the vision and speed that Bofo has. If anyone sees his game against Morelia with Tecos on the liguilla (the year Santos won) you would see that.

Are you blind....

Mendoza is more agile and quicker. He also has that juke button on high alert.

Bofo has 2 right feet,

As for RD74, I think you may be biased for America. I know that all those young players America has are great, they really are.

This is not about America

The problem is that show like DeporTV, Los Protagonistas show hgighlights over and over and over... and can persuade people to think a player is good.

Bofo is not very coordinated. He has two right feet. Did you see the game against Monterrey when Alex scored? It was of a deflection. Bofo hit it with his left foot and god was it a horrible shot. He cant hit for shyt with his left.

Tell me I am wrong.... but Bofo runs down the right side, then make a break and either loses the ball or hit is wide....
HMMMM and when the sun does shine on his asss... he scored a bueatiful goal... which get replayed over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over on DeporTV, En Caliente, and on Los Protagonistas.

I give kudos to them. But to say that they are better than Melvin Brown I think is biased. Brown already has proven himself in the libertadores and with the national team ( He was great against Honduras).

Lets me honest, after th the call p to the national team... Brown has become part of the Vaca llena club. Have you seen his play of late? He tippy toes and forget to mark his men. He is not as hundry as he use to be.


In the end I think they are both talented but Bofo more and in the end both get risk to not develop as I thought has happened with Mendoza. But Bofo is the most talented.

You and toot and VS are blind.

okayyy
take away the names here...

but you have a guy that can play the wings, and any position up front.... deadly with either feet....fast.... can head...... agile.....


and you have a guy that is not real consistant, 2 right feet, a severe attitude problem, not as agile, doesnt use his head as well... but when he does score... they are nice looking goals? to put it into perspective... a guy that can pull off the fancy play, but not the routine play

Its cut and dry for me...

I saw Mednoza devolp when he was on the Nigeria 99 team (Sub 20)and that Winnepeg 99 team (sub 20). Also, when he was given a chance against Paraguay in a friendly....also when he transfered from Leon to Chivas and then from Chivas to America.

He has had to fight for his keep with America... always on his toes because he know that if he sneezes bad.. he wont start...

yet Bofo is an automatic with Tecos and Morelia... wowwwww

BTW? why was he sent to the second division last season? I forgot??? HMMMMMMM

[Various Styles]

If Mendoza is as Quick, Agile and deadly with either feet....fast.... can give good head...... ect like you say then why hasnt he been able to become a starting player in America. Why isnt he ever one of the Top goalscorer in the League. Not only that but he doesnt have that many assist's.

You are Hyping up a WorkHorse who is more of a One trick Pony. He is a limited player and wont get very far. He does not have the potential that De Nigris and Bofo are capable of achieving.

[USSoccer_Dude]

Originally posted by Various Styles
If Mendoza.... can give good head...... .

I heard that's a primordial qualification
of all Americanstas! :D