PDX owner lists competing cities

[GOALSeattle]

"Vancover, Montreal, New York, Las Vegas, San Diego."

http://timbers.theoffside.com/portland-mls-expansion/liveblog-portland-mls-press-conference.html

It is interesting how a simple omission of a candidate city can cause a bit of mayhem.

So, did Paulson accidentally forget to mention St. Louis, or does he know something?

[j66j66]

yeah, we're all wondering... was it a slip, or did St. Louis really get replaced by San Diego?

[j66j66]

further info (http://www.soccercityusa.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1220059823/18#18) from the OB:

He might have mentioned St. Louis. With a list that long I very well could have missed it. The point he was trying to make by mentioning places like San Diego, is that there is real competition for these expansion spots. Don't read into it too much. We'll know the real competitors after Oct. 15.

[drSoFlaFan]

"Vancover, Montreal, New York, Las Vegas, San Diego."

http://timbers.theoffside.com/portland-mls-expansion/liveblog-portland-mls-press-conference.html

That bit in there about "not needing a full financial plan" by October And "details not being needed" opens the door to any city interested. Why not put a bid in? Every candidate city has some sort of idea of how they want to finance MLS, and a stadium setup as well. If the bidding process is that loose, then MLS can pick and choose which city(s) they really want, not necessarily the one with the best plan. I can't see why St. Louis wouldn't be considered.

And they need to get NY off that list I'm serious. Sorry NYC2 people but Giants Stadium/Future Red Bull Stadium is what like 10 or 15 miles away? Deal with it. This isn't England where you have to squeeze 20+ pro teams into an area the size of Florida. Having 2 teams in the same city, in a country where soccer is not the top sport, only splinters the fan base you have in that city, and spits in the face of other deserving cities such as Portland, St. Louis, Miami, Montréal, >insert your non NY or LA town here<. Move Chivas, stay away from NY, and then you've got 5 NEW markets for MLS if and when they go to 20 teams. MLS is doing alright where it already is. Now they need to expand to new cities to grow the league and increase exposure. Putting another team in NY does nothing to that effect.

Okay that's the end of my anti-NY rant lol.

[GOALSeattle]

The term 'deserving city' is about as accurate and measurable as the dinosaurish term 'SSS.'

[KingsCountyFC]

That bit in there about "not needing a full financial plan" by October And "details not being needed" opens the door to any city interested. Why not put a bid in? Every candidate city has some sort of idea of how they want to finance MLS, and a stadium setup as well. If the bidding process is that loose, then MLS can pick and choose which city(s) they really want, not necessarily the one with the best plan. I can't see why St. Louis wouldn't be considered.

And they need to get NY off that list I'm serious. Sorry NYC2 people but Giants Stadium/Future Red Bull Stadium is what like 10 or 15 miles away? Deal with it. This isn't England where you have to squeeze 20+ pro teams into an area the size of Florida. Having 2 teams in the same city, in a country where soccer is not the top sport, only splinters the fan base you have in that city, and spits in the face of other deserving cities such as Portland, St. Louis, Miami, Montréal, >insert your non NY or LA town here<. Move Chivas, stay away from NY, and then you've got 5 NEW markets for MLS if and when they go to 20 teams. MLS is doing alright where it already is. Now they need to expand to new cities to grow the league and increase exposure. Putting another team in NY does nothing to that effect.

Okay that's the end of my anti-NY rant lol.

it's truly your opinion we need to be off that list.
If you really have issues with a second team here, try discouraging countless investors i.e. Fred Wilpon from getting a team in Queens.
Don't get mad at the fans of NYC2 for wanting what an investor/owner wants to give to us.

[Sport Billy]

In addition to not mentioning St. Louis, he did not mention Miami or Atlanta - but I'm guessing it's for an entirely different reason.

[napolisoccer]

In addition to not mentioning St. Louis, he did not mention Miami or Atlanta - but I'm guessing it's for an entirely different reason.

But Miami isn't among the 8 candidate cities.

[Sport Billy]

But Miami isn't among the 8 candidate cities.

I know that, but the people from Miami refuse to admit it.

[Clint Eastwood]

The term 'deserving city' is about as accurate and measurable as the dinosaurish term 'SSS.'

This is the damn truth.

A city can still come out of nowhere like Salt Lake did. It's all about the investor and his ability to get a stadium which meets the approval of the MLS big-wigs. The listed expansion cities make a lot of sense, but a city like Milwaukee could come out of nowhere.

I think it's obvious what makes sense (takes advantage of potential rivalries)

East:

DC
Chi
Col
KC
Philly
RBNY
NE
TFC
MONTREAL
St. Louis

West:

LA
ChivasUSA
San Jose
RSL
Colorado
Seattle
Houston
Dallas
Portland
Vancouver

However I can't see how Garber could turn down a big money move to put a team in NYC proper. There's no way...........That's his wet-dream. A SSS in the heart of an urban city and a very good soccer market. RBNY is a different story altogether.

Also, Garber doesn't necessarily need to stop at 20 teams. Screw FIFA. Just keep going ............Have two tables of 20 teams. (:))

[Eckstoss]

That's his wet-dream. A SSS in the heart of an urban city and a very good soccer market.

You just described Portland.

[QueensNick]

That bit in there about "not needing a full financial plan" by October And "details not being needed" opens the door to any city interested. Why not put a bid in? Every candidate city has some sort of idea of how they want to finance MLS, and a stadium setup as well. If the bidding process is that loose, then MLS can pick and choose which city(s) they really want, not necessarily the one with the best plan. I can't see why St. Louis wouldn't be considered.

And they need to get NY off that list I'm serious. Sorry NYC2 people but Giants Stadium/Future Red Bull Stadium is what like 10 or 15 miles away? Deal with it. This isn't England where you have to squeeze 20+ pro teams into an area the size of Florida. Having 2 teams in the same city, in a country where soccer is not the top sport, only splinters the fan base you have in that city, and spits in the face of other deserving cities such as Portland, St. Louis, Miami, Montréal, >insert your non NY or LA town here<. Move Chivas, stay away from NY, and then you've got 5 NEW markets for MLS if and when they go to 20 teams. MLS is doing alright where it already is. Now they need to expand to new cities to grow the league and increase exposure. Putting another team in NY does nothing to that effect.

Okay that's the end of my anti-NY rant lol.

If you understood the demographic of the area they want to put the team in -you Might understand why MLS wants this so bad! There are many reasons the LEAGUE wants it!

[drSoFlaFan]

If you understood the demographic of the area they want to put the team in -you Might understand why MLS wants this so bad! There are many reasons the LEAGUE wants it!

That's fine. Maybe their are a lot of folks such as yourself who don't want to support for one reason or another the team that has been there since the league's inception. And maybe MLS does really want a second team in NY before any of the other potential cities. If that happens, here's the MLS Map:

http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/7134/mlsmapqj6.gif

If that no MLS zone remains intact fine, I'll root for Miami FC until they either move or fold, and after that I guess I just won't care about soccer anymore. I want to get into MLS, it's just hard when they've dissed an entire region, and my hometown, by first taking away our team without even giving it a fair chance, then giving LA a second team, San Jose another chance, and possibly now a second NY team. Whether it's the ownership, economics, politics, or whatever is making them even consider another NY team, it's still pretty bogus. And by "deserving city" I meant ANY city that doesn't already have a team.

[Sport Billy]

http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/7134/mlsmapqj6.gif



Miami would be a very poor choice as the overwhelming majority would remain red. - based on that map, you should be rooting for a team in Atlanta or Birmingham.

[DavidP]

Miami would be a very poor choice as the overwhelming majority would remain red. - based on that map, you should be rooting for a team in Atlanta or Birmingham.

True; Miami has about as much to do with the Southeast as Toledo does (and Toledo's actually closer to me, by 40 miles). Having said that, though, it'd be nice if they got a team somewhere down the line.

[Sport Billy]

True; Miami has about as much to do with the Southeast as Toledo does (and Toledo's actually closer to me, by 40 miles). Having said that, though, it'd be nice if they got a team somewhere down the line.

ahhmmmm - St. Louis is closer to you than Miami is. Miami represents Miami and has nothing to do with the South.

[QueensNick]

That's fine. Maybe their are a lot of folks such as yourself who don't want to support for one reason or another the team that has been there since the league's inception. And maybe MLS does really want a second team in NY before any of the other potential cities. If that happens, here's the MLS Map:

http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/7134/mlsmapqj6.gif

If that no MLS zone remains intact fine, I'll root for Miami FC until they either move or fold, and after that I guess I just won't care about soccer anymore. I want to get into MLS, it's just hard when they've dissed an entire region, and my hometown, by first taking away our team without even giving it a fair chance, then giving LA a second team, San Jose another chance, and possibly now a second NY team. Whether it's the ownership, economics, politics, or whatever is making them even consider another NY team, it's still pretty bogus. And by "deserving city" I meant ANY city that doesn't already have a team.


Ok - so you call a Deserving City a city with no team - well then i guess we should also disqualify cities who had teams and they failed - ooooh - wait that would mean Miami!

Remember - this is not about Giving cities new chances and expanding to cities for any reason, or to say - oh they dont have a team - lets give it to them - This is about finding the soccer fans in this country and putting teams in those areas!

[Nacional Tijuana]

You just described Portland.

Funny reason for a Yellow Card.

[NYC_COSMOS]

Ok - so you call a Deserving City a city with no team - well then i guess we should also disqualify cities who had teams and they failed - ooooh - wait that would mean Miami!

Remember - this is not about Giving cities new chances and expanding to cities for any reason, or to say - oh they dont have a team - lets give it to them - This is about finding the soccer fans in this country and putting teams in those areas!

Yes agreed Nick!! There is NO AREA in the country as underrepresented as the NYC area. 10 million people and NO TEAM. Yes cry me a river about RBNJ but their fan base is approx 85% Jersey. Even their own fans will admit it.

NYC as a city and as a market is completely UNDERREPRESENTED. We never had a team unlike Miami and Tampa. There are many more soccer fans within the borders of Queens, NY (one of the boros of NYC) than in ALL OF MIAMI or Atlanta for that matter. So when you speak of deserving I think that your only choice could be NYC.

[loco25]

Lets face it soccer fans we all want the same thing, MLS in our city. It is really up to the investors with the money that will determents if your city will get an expansion team or not. For Miami yes MLS want to go back. MLS know that they pull the plug too soon. They made the mistake in putting the team in FT Lauderdale and not in Miami were it had a better chance. If and when Miami find the investors MLS will not acetate to put an expansion team in the city of Miami and I believe it will sooner than later.

I know that, but the people from Miami refuse to admit it.


I not from Miami but I know that Miami has a good chance to getting an MLS expansion team. So sport Billy just wait and see.