European Top 10

[cosmosRIP]

It's that time of the season for a new top 10 thread.
Simple rule - don't criticize other people's lists if you haven't posted your own.

Going into the international break:

 1. Juventus
 2. Milan
 3. Chelsea
 4. Deportivo
 5. Valencia
 6. Real Madrid
 7. Monaco
 8. Manchester United
 9. Lazio
10. Stuttgart

[Malaga CF fan]

Here's my top ten:

1. Milan
2. Juventus
3. Valencia
4. Real Madrid
5. Monaco
6. Arsenal
7. Stuttgart
8. Manchester United
9. Marseille
10. Real Sociedad

Hard to say after 5 or 6 who belongs, but I couldn't put Chelsea in there after losing at home to Besitkas in the Champs League.

[cosmosRIP]

Originally posted by Malaga CF fan
...I couldn't put Chelsea in there after losing at home to Besitkas in the Champs League. I hear you, but they have the best record in domestic league play of any team in the big leagues.

[RuffRyder]

1.Milan
2.Real Madrid
3.Juventus
4.Chelsea
5.Bayern Munich
6.Lazio
7.Real Sociedad
8.Inter Milan
9.Arsenal
10.Manchester United

[ThrashBoy]

1. Juventus
2. Real Madrid
3. Milan
4. Monaco
5. Arsenal
6. Stuttgart
7. Manchester United
8. Valencia
9. Chelsea
10. Deportivo La Coruna

[Black]

1. Real Madrid
2. Juventus
3. Milan
4. Manchester United
5. Valencia
6. Inter
7. Porto
8. Monaco
9. Ajax
10. Stuttgart

[jd2084]

1. Juventus
2. A.C. Milan
3. Real Madrid
4. Manchester United
5. Valencia
6. Monaco
7. Deportivo la Coruna
8. Bayern Munich
9. Arsenal
10. Vfb Stuttgart

Not that I tried to make it this way but it ended up pretty balanced -
Italy -2
England - 2
Spain - 3
France - 1
Germany - 2

[TexasSoccerFan]

1. Juventus
2. Milan
3. Real Madrid
4. Bayern
5. Deportivo
6. Chelsea
7. Stuttgart
8. Manchester United
9. Valencia
10. Inter

[AFCA]

Still a bit too early in the season for me.

[Jawz10]

Juventus
Valencia
Milan
Deportivo La Coruna
Bayer Leverkusen
Arsenal
AFC Ajax
Marseille
Vfb Stuttgart
AS Monaco

[Iancam03]

1. Real Madrid
2. Manchester United
3. AC Milan
4. Inter Milan
5. Juventus
6. Chelsea
7. Bayern Munich
8. Real Sociedad
9. Monaco
10.Ajax

[SoccerFan8270]

1. Real Madrid
2. Manchester United
3. Juventus
4. A.C. Milan
5. Arsenal
6. Chelsea
7. Bayern Munich
8. Barcelona
9. Inter Milan
10. Besiktas

[Frank Cunha]

1. Real Madrid
2. Manchester United
3. AC Milan
4. Juventus
5. FC Porto
6. Inter
7. Lazio
8. SC Portugal
9. SL Benfica
10. Celtic

[Jawz10]

Who here puts Manchester United and Real Madrid in the top 3 when neither tops their league and Man U recently lost to Stuttgart?

[jd2084]

Originally posted by Jawz10
Who here puts Manchester United and Real Madrid in the top 3 when neither tops their league and Man U recently lost to Stuttgart?

I put Real at number 3 - Mainly due to their Champions League play. They are 2-0-0 (+4) with wins against Marseille and Porto two teams several people have listed in their top 10

And Manchester's loss to Stuttgart was at Stuttgart, where they had even given up a goal all season. Manchester has 19 pts. on 8 matches. That means they have only dropped 5 pts in one of the toughest leagues in the world.

[jd2084]

Originally posted by Jawz10

Juventus
Valencia
Milan
Deportivo La Coruna
Bayer Leverkusen
Arsenal
AFC Ajax
Marseille
Vfb Stuttgart
AS Monaco


And for good measure let's look at your list -

Valencia #2 - Not even in CL
Bayer #5 - Not in CL, Not even in UEFA
Arsenal #6 - Got SPANKED, at home, by Inter in CL
Marseille #8 - Not 1st in league, got beaten by Real 4-2 in CL
Stuttgart #9 - Not first in league lost to Rangers in CL

Not that I'm disagreeing with you rankings but it's kind of funny how you rank teams highly who have the same flaws as Real and United.

Why don't you take a look at yourself before bashing other peoples' lists.

[Jawz10]

Originally posted by jd2084
And for good measure let's look at your list -

Valencia #2 - Not even in CL
Bayer #5 - Not in CL, Not even in UEFA
Arsenal #6 - Got SPANKED, at home, by Inter in CL
Marseille #8 - Not 1st in league, got beaten by Real 4-2 in CL
Stuttgart #9 - Not first in league lost to Rangers in CL

Not that I'm disagreeing with you rankings but it's kind of funny how you rank teams highly who have the same flaws as Real and United.

Why don't you take a look at yourself before bashing other peoples' lists. I'm not bashing anyone's list. I just think a team should be judged on form, not reputation. I'm questioning how these teams can be amongst the top 3 in the europe at the moment when they are not preforming to as high a standard as other teams.
So what if Real are in the Champions League and Valencia are not. Valencia just beat Real 2-0 and are first in the league!

Man United are second in their league and recently lost to Stuttgart, that should take them out of the top 3 surely, at the very least, shouldn't it?

Leverkusen are good right now as opposed to last year which is why they aren't in Europe, really dominating the Bundesliga (preformance wise).

I put Marseille because they are second in Ligue 1 and just got a 3-0 in Europe. Which is why I put Monaco as well, though I may need to switch the two around.

Even though Arsenal got found out in Europe, they still are going quite strong in England so they found space in the top ten.

There is method in my madness you see.

[jd2084]

Originally posted by Jawz10
I'm not bashing anyone's list. I just think a team should be judged on form, not reputation. I'm questioning how these teams can be amongst the top 3 in the europe at the moment when they are not preforming to as high a standard as other teams.
So what if Real are in the Champions League and Valencia are not. Valencia just beat Real 2-0 and are first in the league!

Man United are second in their league and recently lost to Stuttgart, that should take them out of the top 3 surely, at the very least, shouldn't it?

Leverkusen are good right now as opposed to last year which is why they aren't in Europe, really dominating the Bundesliga (preformance wise).

I put Marseille because they are second in Ligue 1 and just got a 3-0 in Europe. Which is why I put Monaco as well, though I may need to switch the two around.

Even though Arsenal got found out in Europe, they still are going quite strong in England so they found space in the top ten.

There is method in my madness you see.

Taking from what you said, Marseille got beaten 4-2 by Real. Leverkusen are going well in Germany but lost 4-3 to Munich and have not played any of the other top teams and no European teams. Arsenal tied United and have not won a game in Europe (let alone scored a goal). United scored at Stuttgart - something no one else has done this year, hell they've only given up 3 goals all year (2 @ Rangers & 1 vs. United).

I think you're taking way too much from United and Real for a couple of losses and giving too much to teams who haven't actually beaten a lot of competition.

[buiduc_cuong]

1.Juventus-Really the first

2.Milan- Very good start of Sheva and Inzaghi and they have a new good midffield Kaka.

3.Valencia- i thingk Valencia win Real with helping of
the Politic. I put Val in here because they have no lost games in this season.

4.AFC Ajax- Greate and young Club i thingk they will show as a greate games

5.Real Madrid- Of course All Stars

6.Man.U- Crisis now with MU (injured) i thingk they lost Beckham it really bad for MU

7.Deportivo La Coruna- Good Club bad Square so
tired

8.Arsenal- A big crisis

9.Inter Milan- Bad start

10.Marseille- No comment

[halfnelson31]

1. Real Madrid
2. AC Milan
3. Juventus
4. Manchester United
5. Munich
6. VFB
7. Ajax
8. Arsenal
9. Chelsea
10. Inter