TFC bids for another WC spot

[Various Styles]

Basically you dont hear Americans whining about spots for CONCACAF.

Having more spots in the World Cup can only improve the region..


As far as i'm concerned we only need one. So the U.S.A will go.

Hex 97 (Mex) Hex 01 (CR) If we only had one Spot then the U.S wouldnt have gone as far as they did in Japorea. Read my above post to get an idea of what in talking about :)

[TravisMinor_23]

Originally posted by Various Styles
Hex 97 (Mex) Hex 01 (CR) If we only had one Spot then the U.S wouldnt have gone as far as they did in Japorea. Read my above post to get an idea of what in talking about :)

As much as I hate agreeing with VS he is right this time, it easy to remember that the USMNT at one point looked like it was coming apart at the seams (after the CR game this was most evident). Without some good luck (Hondo losing to T&T and JMM putting us past a pesky Jamaica) we easily could have been watching the WC from home. An extra spot would help us and help CONCACAF, honestly though we probably won't get it because CONCACAF leadership is so ignorant and money hungry...FIFA will be like "well, you do deserve it, but Oceania offered us a million dollars and we'll throw 250k your way to keep your mouth shut and support the decision". :rolleyes:

[DCUPopeAndLillyFan]

I think we earned an extra 1/2 slot in 2002. Seriously, would you rather see Honduras in the WC, or China and Saudi Arabia?

I'd give AFC/Oceania a combined 5 slots. AFC usually plays 10 prelim groups with the winners going into the final qualifying draw. I'd condense this to 9 groups and make OFC winner the 10th. The 10 teams then play in two groups for 5 slots (third place teams play H-&-H for the last one).

Of course, Australia would need AFC to get with the international calendar to get the likes of Kewell, Viduka, whoever for all their matches without a major struggle - but that's another issue.

[sidspaceman]

Originally posted by TequilaJoal
Basically you dont hear Americans whining about spots for CONCACAF.


What it is Americans who whine the most about CONCACAF being looked down upon and that CONCACAF should get a 4th slot.

[Lufbra]

There's no question that Oceania should get an automatic spot into future World Cups simply because they're a Confederation. That's suffcient. The quality of the teams in the confed are not an issue. IMO, Australia deserved to be in Korea/Japan more than China or Saudi Arabia (who didn't win a game or score a goal in '02) or Slovenia and Tunisia but they had to face Uruaguay instead. The World Cup is the only tournament that Oceania dosen't have a spot in and now is the time to correct that.

It's the second spot -because of the two host nations- that is up for grabs and that seems to be between the FC and Asia. UEFA has more than enough spots, Africa has too many and Conmebol send half their federations as it is so that leaves Asia v Concacaf and the FC deserve the spot because we are a better footballing region. FC teams have done well in the Copa America, Mexico won the Confederations Cup a few years back and the recent run in '02 with Mexico winning their group and the US advancing to the quarters. Costa Rica only got knocked out on goals scored. The Asian teams stunk, they always stink. Korea and Japan did well as host nations but who hasn't? The US advanced to the second round in '94 and we didn't even have a pro-league ( APSL aside). So give it to the FC, at least we won't send over a Saudi Arabia.

[TravisMinor_23]

Originally posted by Lufbra
There's no question that Oceania should get an automatic spot into future World Cups simply because they're a Confederation. That's suffcient. The quality of the teams in the confed are not an issue. IMO, Australia deserved to be in Korea/Japan more than China or Saudi Arabia (who didn't win a game or score a goal in '02) or Slovenia and Tunisia but they had to face Uruaguay instead.

The first point is obviously wrong, I understand where you are coming from, but it is wrong. If CONCACAF splits off, and ohh, lets say Mexico and a bunch of minnows (Cuba, US Virgin Islands, etc.) form their own Confed. should they get an automatic birth? Of course not. If FIFA had brains they would force Oceania to join forces with Asia's qualifying section. Let Oceania have their normal qualifying, start it earlier, and send the top 2 (New Zeland and Australia undoubtedly) to fight it out with the likes of China. They can take Oceania's former 1/2 slot and even half another 1/2. But that would make sense, so who cares. As for Slovenia and Tunisia...huh? Upsets happen...but overall the European contingent represented themselves well again. The fact that a squad like the Dutch one was watching the WC on TV tells you about the depth in their countries. UEFA certainly shouldn't lose any spots, they might have a case for a 1/2, but no more of a case then CONCACAF.

[Elninho]

Originally posted by Lufbra
IMO, Australia deserved to be in Korea/Japan more than China or Saudi Arabia (who didn't win a game or score a goal in '02) or Slovenia and Tunisia but they had to face Uruaguay instead.


Did Uruguay do really well in the World Cup?

[condor11]

they did allright

drew with france when france were truly desperate for a win
played a good match against denmark
and would have made it trough if morales had conected his header againt senegal

[DoyleG]

Originally posted by condor11
they did allright

drew with france when france were truly desperate for a win
played a good match against denmark
and would have made it trough if morales had conected his header againt senegal

Would have done better if they could have checked their discipline a bit. The defence against Senegal was awful.

[condor11]

in the first half yes in the second senegal found it hard to get past halfway

[DoyleG]

Originally posted by condor11
in the first half yes in the second senegal found it hard to get past halfway

If they had played the first like the second. Senegal would be on the sidelines.

[condor11]

it was the coaches fault for insisting on a defensive lineup and a thug like dario silva
once he unleashed recoba uruguay was a different team

oh well whats done is done

[Qdog]

Originally posted by sidspaceman


What it is Americans who whine the most about CONCACAF being looked down upon and that CONCACAF should get a 4th slot.

Almost. Change whine to aggressively campaign and you would be right on the money.

[sidspaceman]

I only used whine to make a point to the troll known as TequilaJoal.

[Qdog]

Originally posted by sidspaceman
I only used whine to make a point to the troll known as TequilaJoal.

Understood. But be gentle with TequilaJoal. I learnt really early in my BS posting career that trolling is not so easy. Maybe, with time, TequilaJoal will learn the same.

[sidspaceman]

Sad thing is TequilaJoal has been around longer than you.

[DoyleG]

If CONCACAF want's another spot, it should join with the rest of the world at take it's regional competitions seriously.

[photar74]

Originally posted by fuzzyBunny
Or a mini preWorld Cup of the half-slots. Final 2 of 4 (or 3 of 6) goto the worldCup.

2002 would have seen something like this:

Ireland
Iran
Hondurus
Australia
Paraguay
New Zealand(???)

The Confederations Cup is currently billed as a “mini-World Cup.” However, considering both its apparent demise after 2005 and that the inter-confederation struggle for allocations will only intensify with each successive WC, we may very well see something of this sort in late 2009. For 2010, the allocations for the WC could be as follows:

UEFA: 12 auto / 2 playoff
AFC: 4 auto / 2 playoff
CAF: Host + 4 auto / 1 playoff
CONMEBOL: 3 auto / 2 playoff
CONCACAF: 3 auto / 1 playoff
OFC: 1 auto
Total: Host + 27 auto / 8 playoff

The eight teams in the playoffs would be drawn into two groups. The groups would play round robin, and the top two in each group would advance to the finals. Obviously, the finals host would also host these playoffs.

This set up would satisfy the allocation demands of every confederation, as well as satisfy FIFA’s monetary desire to replace the Confederations Cup.

I’m all for it.

[sidspaceman]

Sorry I just don't see why CONMEBOL should have as many automatiac spots as CONCACAF and one less than Asia.

[photar74]

Since I'm in a hypothetical mood, with the above playoff system the spots for 2010 could work out like this:

Automatic
Uefa: Spain, France, Germany, England, Italy, Turkey, Netherlands, Czech Republic, Russia, Poland, Sweden, Ukraine

CAF: South Africa, Cameroon, Nigeria, Morocco, Egypt

AFC: S. Korea, Japan, Iran, China

CONMEBOL: Brazil, Argentina, Columbia

CONCACAF: Mexico, USA, Costa Rica

OFC: Australia

Playoffs
Group One: Belgium, Canada, Chile, Saudi Arabia

Group Two: Algeria, Greece, India, Uruguay