Arg 3 x 0 Brz: Si No Hay Perros, Se Caza Con Gatas...

[El viejo Matias]

By the way Im not sure where you are getting your stats for the Copa America's I thought Brazil has 8, Argentina and Uruguay 14:confused:.

Distribution of championships won
Champions Nation Year(s)
14 times Uruguay 1916, 1917, 1920, 1923, 1924, 1926, 1935, 1942, 1956, 1959, 1967, 1983, 1987, 1995
14 times Argentina 1921, 1925, 1927, 1929, 1937, 1941, 1945, 1946, 1947, 1955, 1957, 1959, 1991, 1993
8 times Brazil 1919, 1922, 1949, 1989, 1997, 1999, 2004, 2007
2 times Paraguay 1953, 1979
2 times Peru 1939, 1975
1 time Colombia 2001
1 time Bolivia 1963


[edit] Tournament appearances
Appearances Nation
39 Uruguay
37 Argentina
34 Chile
32 Paraguay
31 Brazil
27 Peru
23 Ecuador
22 Bolivia
17 Colombia
13 Venezuela
7 Mexico
3 Costa Rica
USA
1 Honduras
Japan


[edit] General Stats
Team Pts P W D L F A Dif Rend
1 Argentina 368 175 112 32 31 431 168 +263 70.1%
2 Uruguay 342 186 104 30 52 386 212 +174 61.3%
3 Brazil 315 167 95 30 42 387 191 +196 62.9%
4 Paraguay 214 153 61 31 61 242 269 -27 46.6%
5 Chile 187 163 53 28 82 248 297 -49 38.2%
6 Peru 167 132 41 32 55 193 220 -27 42.2%
7 Colombia 128 99 36 20 43 121 174 -53 43.1%
8 Bolivia 82 102 19 25 58 97 257 -160 26.8%
9 Mexico 61 38 17 10 11 55 44 +11 53.5%
10 Ecuador 61 108 14 19 75 113 297 -184 18.8%
11 Venezuela 15 49 2 9 38 34 155 -121 10.2%
12 Costa Rica 11 11 3 2 6 12 21 -9 33.3%
13 Honduras 10 6 3 1 2 7 5 +2 55.6%
14 USA 8 12 2 2 7 11 21 -10 22.2%
15 Japan 1 3 0 1 2 3 8 -5 11.1%


[edit] Distribution of hosts

[El viejo Matias]

Don't want to bring up this chestnut again, but here is an article I found that words things well,,

The Pelé Myth
If there's one statement which really grates on me, it's the answer to this question: Who is the greatest footballer of all time?

When asking a member of the general public or a casual fan, more often than not the resounding answer to the question will be... Pelé - said in the sure and certain hope that there is no other possible answer. Football is of course all based on opinion but the argument for Pelé is rarely backed up properly.

"But he won four World Cups!," people exclaim. Well he did officially win four, however, in 1962 he missed the majority of the tournament through injury. In 1966, Pelé was taken out the tournament after one or two too many hefty tackles.

Pelé has a reputation as being the first player of his type - the first player regarded as 'world class', if you like. However, the Brazilian is also by far and away the most famous player of all time. Ask a random person who takes no interest in football and they'll still be able to quote Pelé's name back to you.

This clearly works in Pelé's favour. It's unlikely the same person would be able to reel off names such as Cruyff, Puskas or Zico...

The 17-year-old Pelé burst onto the scene in Sweden during the 1958 World Cup finals. His impact in the final few games of the tournament was huge and this subsequently ensured his place in the football history books. He was the first prodigy of world football and this created the public image of 'Pelé' which has lasted to this very day.

There's no denying that the Brazilian was an incredibly gifted footballer, with the grainy footage of old World Cups there for all to see - but he played his entire club career in Brazil - hardly the ideal place for a true test of an individuals' ability. The famous statistic of him scoring over 1200 club goals is another very grey area, and is probably about as accurate as a Stevie Wonder recreation of the Mona Lisa.

Pelé's main rival for the title of the greatest player ever is more often than not, Diego Armando Maradona.

Those that were fortunate enough to witness Maradona in action claim that the Argentine is the greatest ever. His unmatched dribbling ability combined with the pitbull strength to hold off and beat defender after defender and a deadly eye for both a pass and a goal, the 5ft 5" magician from Buenos Aires was often unstoppable. Inspiring an unfashionable club side to the most successful period in their history would be impossible for most players, but Maradona led Napoli to their only two Italian titles and a UEFA Cup.

It might be a cliché to suggest Maradona single handedly won Argentina the World Cup in 1986 but it's simple - without Maradona, Argentina would never have won the 1986 World Cup.

On the other hand, take Pelé out of the 1970 Brazil side and the south American's would still have eased to victory purely because of the vast amount of talent they possessed in what is regarded by many as being the greatest team of all time. Even if you'd replaced Pelé with Jim Davidson, Brazil would still have been crowned world champions that year. However, this was the tournament that finally cemented his status as the king of football.

The most determined football personality trying to keep up the belief that Pelé was the best of all time seems to be Pelé himself. For example, he has already put a dampner on the possibility of the wonderkid Pato eventually taking his mantle and did the same about Ronaldinho two years ago - playing down the fact he was Brazil's saviour and ensuring the media knew he had a less than acceptable World Cup campaign.

It gives the impression he is terrified that his legacy may be surpassed. But the fact is, it was surpassed as soon as the final whistle blew on June 29 1986 - when Maradona's Argentina beat West Germany in front of 114,000 spectators.

How ironic then, that if you were to ask a Brazilian football supporter their opinion on the best footballer ever, they're likely to give you the name of the bow-legged genius Garrincha and not of FIFA's golden son Pelé.

Of course, you'd never catch any self-respecting Brazilian naming Maradona as the best player ever, but the fact that they'd name Garrincha over Pelé gives you a clue about who should really win the old age Pelé vs. Maradona debate...

[kingkong1]

Look, Viejo,

'Quoting' you can be quite a frustrating (although hilarious) experience.

Like trying to kill one’s thirst with a thimble in Niagara Falls.

Those interminable 4-line paragraphs in cascade of yours, each one of them caleidoscopically displaying 3 or 4 subjects generally without the minimum correlation among them.

That awkward and unstoppable succession of ‘difficult’ words and kitsch ‘statements’ (with that terrible spelling/digiting/grammar of yours):

‘albeit’, ‘craftsmen of their art’, ‘yesteryear’, ‘shudder to think’, ‘scant’, ‘making strides in soccer’, ‘the statement in upon itself is not correct’, ‘lets us juxtapose this’, ‘come to grips’, ‘countries that frown upon’, ‘on a fairly consistent basis’, ‘English language is a language of contast change and adaptation’, ‘morphing it’ etc etc

…mixed with ‘cult’ & 'phylosophical' expressions:

'Ergo', 'blanket statement', ‘anti-womyn’, ‘globalisation’, ‘western idealogy’, ‘politicaly correct enough’…

- that you want to push down our throat only to impress me and the others as the ‘cultured’ person intimate with the English ‘vernacular’ that you are, truly become an Olympik task to decipher…

AND YOU CALL ME...POMPOUS.

Try to read your posts yourself:

Post #39:

Gee finally a congrats, listen Kingkong I have in another thread answered many of these topics, ie your rose colored view of futbol in eras gone by, the tactical differences in futbol today, nutrition, pitch quality and so on, and how I think futbol today is in general of a higher calibre than yesteryear.

So in Pele and his contemporaries time and the ones before albeit true craftsmen of their art I highly doubt they are any better than Diego or perhaps the likes of Platini or shudder to think the future......

The tactics, were just so different I figure you could see that when you have a four man frontline and a scant defencive strategy more goals will occur, hardly the same era as Maradona's.

My argument if you would have read it closely before your mind started jumping for a response about population was one made about futbol loving nations, seriously Brasil and Argentina are MAD about it, I can' t see India or China in that capacity can you??

As far as underestimating the other "gender" get real would you, I DON"T HAVE TO BE A FAN OF WOMEN"S SOCCER, it would be like watching a CFL game when a NFL game is on, like watching MLS when LA LIGA is on, it is not even close to the calibre of the mens game and I don't see why this opinion of mine makes me in your eyes anti-womyn, ( notice the "y" in the spelling is that politicaly correct enough for you )?

Futility, yes with this I agree, because I still see you as pompous and full of yourself and as a 61 year old I would figure enough life experience would have taught you to be humble and move on.

Post #40:

I want to examine this opinion of yours a bit further. First I must say I disagree, not because it is a men versus women issue but because the statement in upon itself is not correct.

Canada a nation whom before the first world war was a country that was making strides in soccer but because of the wars has become isolated in the sport and has taken upon its own "sports", therefore the man's soccer teams have been far below par.

Not so with the womens game, Canada has feilded on a fairly consistent basis a strong team, ( the game here is much played and enjoyed by many but not often carried through to an older age or serious pro level, college or university levels yes and it is the womens side that is often a beneficiary from this fact ).

Now lets us juxtapose this with Iran, a country whose mens side has arguably enjoyed some success, but the womens game far from it for obvious reasons, maybe with more globalisation and western idealogy it could change.

Argentina a nation of machismo to be sure has just come to grips with the iea of certain womens sport, making some sports "young" to the womens participation in them.Im sure Argentina is not alone in this fact.

Ergo I think the blanket statement you made above does not work, for to judge a countries progress in a sport like Canada with womens soccer is so in contrast with the mens game. Not to mention countries that frown upon womens involvement period.

Ah yes the word "niggly", you may benefit from a "slang" dicitionary, they do exist and are quite usefull since the English language is a language of contast change and adaptation. I think your over usage of the dictionary may be a downfall as the english language in itself is in danger. Slang, text messaging, hip-hop culture and local as well as regional adaptations and foreign influence are constantly morphing it.

So in conclusion, I am not sexist like I stated before I just love the sport and prefer to watch it played at a higher calibre, the womens game is not there yet.Having said this Im sure our Canadian girls could give our Canadian guys a ride for their money.

Besides you keep clobbering me with armaggedonic phrases like:

‘your over usage of the dictionary may be a downfall as the english language in itself is in danger’

Or totally contradictory as:

‘I am not sexist like I stated before’ and ‘local as well as regional adaptations’ :confused: …

And totally stereotyped ones like:

‘as a 61 year old I would figure enough life experience would have taught you to be humble’

What makes you think that because you’re 61 year old you necessarily have to be ‘humble’?...

Do I have to kiss your feet because – as a Brazilian fan of Argentinian soccer - I saw and applauded Di Stéfano, Kempes and Maradona & all you’ve seen were your YouTube clips, Ortega and Gago?...

Because – existencially & footballistically - I lived…more?

Cuzz I have more life in me???...

Why not the contrary, and you kiss mine? (No, no, you don’t have to, please)...

Looks like the one lacking humbleness here is…you!

All that can be stimulating though – I have to concede.

As a 61 year older - in front of your revigorating texts - I feel like a teen-age surfer in a bathtube with waves!...

Thanks for ‘renewing’ me, ‘kid’!...

You who wanted to drown me with your ‘knowledge’ - all you’ll get is see me surfing your ideas, even if they don’t end in tubes or take me (us) anywhere…

Just for the sake of owning you…

BACK TO TOPIC THOUGH:

Did you see the Women’s Volleyball final Brz x USA today? A REAL HUMBLING BRZ VICTORY (3 x 1: 25 X 15, 18 X 25, 25 X 13, 25 x 21 ).

Tonight - since all you like is men’s sports - take a look at the Men’s Volleyball final, also between defending Olympic Champions Brazil x USA.

Great game!...

And widen up your horizons, kid.

Among the 5 most popular team sports of the planet is volleyball (in Asia - men’s & women’s - is the most practiced ball sport).

Women’s football - step by step - is getting there.

PS 1:

Didn’t even go to beach today.

It’s too cold for us these days in the Southern Hemisphere.

But I won’t freeze tonight:

I’ll just get your ‘blanket statement’ to warm me & Dona María up :D …

PS 2:

My mistake about the Copa Américas: what I meant were Bra x Argies NT confrontations.

What's even more relevant.

[kingkong1]

Besides, Viejo,

When it's your turn to 'quote', you just irresponsably state that...'here is an article I found that words things well'- and you don't even state who wrote it, where he/she wrote it, when he/she wrote it!...

And now I feel free to humbly teach you - with an appropriate quote - what a blanket statement is:

'A blanket statement is a vague and noncommittal statement asserting a premise without providing evidence'

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Memory_Alpha:Avoid_blanket_statements

And that - providing evidence - is what you and your 'quote' fail to convey.

Regardless the fact that what you call 'article' brings the same old sterotyped Argentinian Maradona's fans 'arguments' that have been so easily and summarilly dismounted in all football Forums of the net...

Which I'm not going to discuss here because it has nothing to do with the topic of this thread - and nothing to do with the themes this section deals with.

I'll be glad to discuss the subject in another thread at any moment you wish ;) ...

[El viejo Matias]

What have you exactly done with your long posts in return?? Nothing. Your constant inability to reply to even the most basic of subjects without insult is appaling, then when someone wants to retort in a like way you get over defencive and even more insulting.
Your assumptions about me and my life are a joke, I can assure you I have seen more, done more and experienced more in my short 36 years than most have in 61:rolleyes:, so please stop with your assumptions they only serve to highlight your infantile reactions to what could have been a gentleman's argument.
Lastly what the heck does womens volleyball, ( wich I do enjoy watching ) have to do with the fact that I think womens futbol is lacking in the skills of the mens game wich I prefer to watch. The differences of the men's game in soccer versus the womens is astronomical and I highlighted some reasons as to why your original argument does not hold water. Instead of choosing to respond to this , you start again with insult , a pompous need to try to flex what you assume is an intelectual superior muscle and then adding nothing, that's right nothing to the argument at hand . Well done sir, you should run for political office.
Frankly this is getting almost as boring as politics.

[El viejo Matias]

"And widen up your horizons, kid."


Right not condescending or pompous at all.:rolleyes:

Talk about the kettle calling the pot black.

[El viejo Matias]

"Do I have to kiss your feet because – as a Brazilian fan of Argentinian soccer - I saw and applauded Di Stéfano, Kempes and Maradona & all you’ve seen were your YouTube clips, Ortega and Gago?.."

Wow what a mature response, nothing but blind assumptions on your part, congrats on that.:rolleyes:

[El viejo Matias]

"Because – existencially & footballistically - I lived…more?

Cuzz I have more life in me???...

Why not the contrary, and you kiss mine? (No, no, you don’t have to, please)...

Looks like the one lacking humbleness here is…you!

All that can be stimulating though – I have to concede"

Do you read what you write?? You want me to kiss your feet and then admit to this being "stimulating" to you, and I lack,, ( is humbleness a word?? ).....:rolleyes:

[El viejo Matias]

"As a 61 year older - in front of your revigorating texts - I feel like a teen-age surfer in a bathtube with waves!...



What is a bathtube???? I think you mean bathtub, not the first spelling or grammar mistake you made but I was willing to let them go as I think it is a lame way to try to argue.:rolleyes:

[El viejo Matias]

"You who wanted to drown me with your ‘knowledge’ - all you’ll get is see me surfing your ideas, even if they don’t end in tubes or take me (us) anywhere"

What kind of grammar is this? If you were to speak like this on the streets of Toronto you would be thrown into a mental institution.
Also a lame cop out akin to the Police song " DE do do de da da that's all I have got to say to you ".:rolleyes:

[El viejo Matias]

"BACK TO TOPIC THOUGH:

Did you see the Women’s Volleyball final Brz x USA today? A REAL HUMBLING BRZ VICTORY (3 x 1: 25 X 15, 18 X 25, 25 X 13, 25 x 21 ).

Tonight - since all you like is men’s sports - take a look at the Men’s Volleyball final, also between defending Olympic Champions Brazil x USA.

Great game!...

And widen up your horizons, kid.

Among the 5 most popular team sports of the planet is volleyball (in Asia - men’s & women’s - is the most practiced ball sport).

Women’s football - step by step - is getting there.

PS 1:

Didn’t even go to beach today.

It’s too cold for us these days in the Southern Hemisphere.

But I won’t freeze tonight:

I’ll just get your ‘blanket statement’ to warm me & Dona María up …



How the heck is this getting back on topic?? It was soccer no? And please don't bore me with your personal plans anymore.:rolleyes:

[aerez]

This (:rolleyes:) is more annoying than this: http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/nbc_the_more_you_know.jpg

[kingkong1]

‘I am not sexist like I stated before’'(...) local as well as regional adaptations (...)’Qué cagada, eh mano? :p ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHFigA61Fa0&feature=related

[El viejo Matias]

Qué cagada, eh mano? :p ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHFigA61Fa0&feature=related

Oh brilliant you obviously got me:rolleyes:

[El viejo Matias]

By the way before you accuse someone of getting their knowledge of the web please stop using links as way to argue your point, if that is there is a point.

Youtube, Wikipedia etc,

[kingkong1]

Let's have fun, Matías.

Pareces un viejo!!! :cool: ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dljqjo90j4s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dljqjo90j4s)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONixCxtszMA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONixCxtszMA)

[El viejo Matias]

Thanks, some of those actually were quite funny.

[El viejo Matias]

I hope Im not sexist by posting this but I thought even a 61 year old could appreciate it.:D


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XifWPDdH0g4