The State of Brazilian Futbol [R]

[ITALIA1982]

Argentina have always been a powerhouse at youth football - along with Nigeria, Ghana, Portugal, etc. but when it comes to the full national team - Brazil will always have the edge.

On the other hand, maybe Brazil are on the same level as the USA now.... in the sense that their womens teams kicks their mens team's ***. :p

That's a good one hahaha.

[Plxix]

They need a coach to enforce the samba.

[nsa97531]

Also it seemed like theyre being coached way too much? Taking away from the creativity they develop before theyre teens. I think some african nations could develop into the new brazils with their street style that makes them amazing individuals. with some coaching africa is going places.

[Spartak]

I'm gonna bump this thread when Brazil win the WC in South Africa two years from now ;)

[soccermoms2]

argentina today seemed like the perfect combination of fun, open soccer and right amount of defensive organization. similarities to spain???
would love to see these two great nations play each other soon.
nigeria is too fond of all out attacking style leaving little attention to their defense. there's been improvement but against argentina they are going to have to adjust esp. with messi and aguero causing fits offensively.
on the other hand, argentina will have to tighten up their loosey goosey defense against the speedier than Brazil Nigerians.

my dream match...argentina against spain in the finals of wc, 2010.

[Alex_1]

Brazil is done as a world power in soccer. They will never win a world cup again, and they're average right now. Sweden is better.

Since I'm aware of your posting history, I know that this is a trolling post. This is your only warning.

[glennaldo_sf]

Brazil is done as a world power in soccer. They will never win a world cup again, and they're average right now. Sweden is better.

Brazil still, in my opinion at least, set the standard when it comes to being a 'footballing nation'. They just are not 'perfect' in the sense that they have their ups and downs. Does anyone remember how they struggled to qualify for 2002 but then go on to win the WC months later? Everyone had written them off and said that France + Argentina had surpassed them but Brazil is Brazil - they can't win everything but they'll always be back. They did enter a little 'dark ages' in the 70s and 80s but me thinks they'll be fine with the world cup due to be staged in their own backyard in 2014.

They may want to look over their shoulder a little however with the progress Argentina are making in youth soccer - this is now 2 world youth cups and 2 olympics in a row. :eek: but as Portgual, Ghana and Nigeria fans will tell you - success in the olympics and youth tournaments does not necessarily translate into success at the international level.

Their up and coming players like Robinho and Adriano (remember him?) don't seem to be enjoying the same sort of success as the likes of Messi + Tevez. However, Brazil have had the better of Argentina at the national team level. The last copa america and confederations cup being examples of that.

Brazil needs to be careful not to fall into the trap they did in 2006 where they put too much faith in has beens like Ronaldo and Roberto Carlos. I can see a similar thing happening with Ronaldinho - this is why a good strong, disciplined coach like Scolari was needs to be in place in order to bring out the best of Brazil. If they do get the right coach, I'm sure Brazil will still be amongst the very best when 2010 comes rolling in.

[Mibu Clan]

Brazil will be back, they have too many good players. Still, I think Argentina is playing better football lately for the most part, ever since the last qualifiers and world cup. But Brazil seemed to always get fortunate against us, so it was logical that sooner or later it would go the other way.

Brazilians get on Dunga, but it's the same everywhere. If Argentina loses one game, everybody in Argentina wants to crucify Basile, that is what fans are like.

Uhh... As true as this statement is, your overlooking major differences.

1) Dunga's first job as coach is the current. :eek:

2) He is SHIT for selecting players... (Vagner Love, Afonso Alves, Mineiro, G. Sylva, Josue, Rafael Sobis...) And it wasn't even the fact that they were called up, but having preference in the starting squad.
Hell, after WC 2006 it was all about the younger fella's. (Being that Emerson and G. Sylva were too slow, Cafu and R. Carlos were old... Adriano + Ronaldo wouldnt work seeing as neither were adding some mobility)
What does he do? His starting team is composed of G. Sylva (32), Mineiro (31 and overall BAD), Gilberto (31)... And never even called up the young fellas.

3) Even though in his time he played with two strikers, he is SO in love with his own position that he just sqeezes in as many DM's as he can.

4) Tactical ideas: Now this is his worse department by FAR. He has no idea on how to make the team attack, rather we see Brasil going up from the side and centering to a 1.50 striker.... BRILLIANT!!
Want me to go on? How about putting Ronaldinho WAY too deep in midfield, and leaving the striker even more alone... or having him try to header one of those balls.
All this on top of playing players out of their position, and the Brasilian attack having no movility or flow.

5) Vagner Love. He deserves a special mention seeing as he was our #1 Striker once Dunga took over for too long, and serves my point of him choosing the wrong players perfectly. To make things short, he was constantly getting called up while in his team CSKA Moscow he was not scoring often, and his partner, JO, had 20+ goals.
It was HIM getting called up.

6) Is commited to Brasil playing deffensive Futbol. :confused:

So please, I understand that the comment is very true BUT Basile is an experienced coach (Champ with Boca, Argentina 93) who has offensive ideas and likes attacking futbol... likes to have the ball and for the team to play overall well.
He ain't stupid about picking players... ...

[Volrath]

So please, I understand that the comment is very true BUT Basile is an experienced coach (Champ with Boca, Argentina 93) who has offensive ideas and likes attacking futbol... likes to have the ball and for the team to play overall well.
He ain't stupid about picking players... ...
He likes to try and pick new players but when it comes down to it he'll always start the same eleven. Seriously players like Pato and Heinze should have been dumped after the last world cup and copa america debacle. He's a nice guy but a little bit naieve and clueless about "modern" football tactics.

[Mibu Clan]

He likes to try and pick new players but when it comes down to it he'll always start the same eleven. Seriously players like Pato and Heinze should have been dumped after the last world cup and copa america debacle. He's a nice guy but a little bit naieve and clueless about "modern" football tactics.

There are reasons why they are chosen over other players... Who would start over Pato Abondanzieri? Ustari? Romero? Caranta? Lux?
In this department he is the best option. (Ustaris good, but I dont think he's ready to be #1 goalie, though I understand it if you are reffering to him)

As for Heinze, he is not a LB, where he plays in the Argentina NT. And aside from this tournaments deffensive propsects (Parejo, Monzon), he had the name reliability.

Yes his style is a bit overdue, but that doesn't mean it can't apply.

As for choosing players the only spots of concern for Argentina are Left winger, left side back... ... What else?
The midfield is more than composed (Mascherano, Gago, Riquelme, Messi) and the attack is too (Aguero & Tevez) (Lavessi, Cruz... Palermo if need be)
The deffensive midfield subs are Cambiasso, Vanegas.

For left winger either Datolo or Di Maria can now be taken into consideration, and there's no good LB that I truly know of right now.

[Volrath]

There are reasons why they are chosen over other players... Who would start over Pato Abondanzieri? Ustari? Romero? Caranta? Lux?
In this department he is the best option. (Ustaris good, but I dont think he's ready to be #1 goalie, though I understand it if you are reffering to him)
I'm not actually, I'm referring to Carrizo. Should have started as our #1 after the world cup ended.


As for Heinze, he is not a LB, where he plays in the Argentina NT. And aside from this tournaments deffensive propsects (Parejo, Monzon), he had the name reliability.You said it best: "name reliability"; he plays with heart and huevos but since his injury at Man U has never regained his best form. I've come to consider him a liability playing as CB or as a left back. He'll always make stupid fouls that get his teammates in trouble. Players like Clemente Rodriguez should have been given more chances.


Yes his style is a bit overdue, but that doesn't mean it can't apply.Not against European nations it doesn't. I like attacking football as much as the next guy, but Basile is just as clueless tactically as you say Dunga is. They just happen to find each other on the other side of the spectrum. Take Batista for example, he likes attacking football as well but is able to adapt and outsmart his opponent.


As for choosing players the only spots of concern for Argentina are Left winger, left side back... ... What else?
The midfield is more than composed (Mascherano, Gago, Riquelme, Messi) and the attack is too (Aguero & Tevez) (Lavezzi, Cruz... Palermo if need be)
The deffensive midfield subs are Cambiasso, BanegasYoung guns, pure #9's should have been tested more like Lopez and Cavenaghi. Basile just plays his 11 best players, Pekerman was reluctant to start Messi and Tevez together. Also Cruz and Palermo should never even be thought of playing in a celeste y blanca shirt:D



For left winger either Datolo or Di Maria can now be taken into consideration, and there's no good LB that I truly know of right now.Heh Datolo in la seleccion, that would be the day:p