Can a red card be rescinded during the match?

[pething101]

Ok fellas, here is new one on me.

Late in the second half, white team has the ball on the right flank attacking our goal. AR makes a call, blows his whistle but play continues for a second and white team scores a goal. AR holds his ground on his call. CR goes over to AR. Conference ensues. Decision to disallow the goal sets off a firestorm. White player earns a yellow for dissent. Continues his abuse and earns a second yellow thus a red. White team head coach comes out on the field, earns a yellow for dissent, continues and earns a second yellow thus a red.

After about two minutes of conferring, the three referees decide to rescind the two second yellows and thus the reds and allow the white player to continue and allowing the coach continue.

Now, I am not the most experienced soccer person in the world, but is this possible? Both coach and player were shown red and both were later rescinded. Is this allowed by the rules?

[ProfZodiac]

Originally posted by pething101
Ok fellas, here is new one on me.

Late in the second half, white team has the ball on the right flank attacking our goal. AR makes a call, blows his whistle but play continues for a second and white team scores a goal. AR holds his ground on his call. CR goes over to AR. Conference ensues. Decision to disallow the goal sets off a firestorm. White player earns a yellow for dissent. Continues his abuse and earns a second yellow thus a red. White team head coach comes out on the field, earns a yellow for dissent, continues and earns a second yellow thus a red.

After about two minutes of conferring, the three referees decide to rescind the two second yellows and thus the reds and allow the white player to continue and allowing the coach continue.

Now, I am not the most experienced soccer person in the world, but is this possible? Both coach and player were shown red and both were later rescinded. Is this allowed by the rules?

I think (not very sure about what I'm talking about on this one) that until the restart, the ref can reverse his decision, so it must be legal...

:confused:

[pething101]

You are correct in the fact that the cards were rescinded before play was resumed. Still, I have never seen anything like that done before but I guess there is always a first.

[David Allan]

Originally posted by pething101
AR makes a call, blows his whistle but play continues for a second and white team scores a goal.

Is this normal for the AR to have a whistle? Sounds like an unusual division of labor to me.

[IASocFan]

Originally posted by David Allan
Is this normal for the AR to have a whistle? Sounds like an unusual division of labor to me.

It sounds like the three whistle system described by NFHS rules, but not used in Iowa and many other states.

[Scott Zawadzki]

Originally posted by pething101
Ok fellas, here is new one on me.

Late in the second half, white team has the ball on the right flank attacking our goal. AR makes a call, blows his whistle but play continues for a second and white team scores a goal. AR holds his ground on his call. CR goes over to AR. Conference ensues. Decision to disallow the goal sets off a firestorm. White player earns a yellow for dissent. Continues his abuse and earns a second yellow thus a red. White team head coach comes out on the field, earns a yellow for dissent, continues and earns a second yellow thus a red.

After about two minutes of conferring, the three referees decide to rescind the two second yellows and thus the reds and allow the white player to continue and allowing the coach continue.

Now, I am not the most experienced soccer person in the world, but is this possible? Both coach and player were shown red and both were later rescinded. Is this allowed by the rules?

Wishy-Washy officiating there. First off, coaches don't get cards (unless the rules of competition allow it). Second, a coach entering the field to protestest a call should immediately be expelled from the grounds (or red carded as the case may be). Thirdly, as far as the recinding of the 2nd yellows, that could be done if the referee realized he made a mistake (ie misidentified the culprit). This does not seem to be the issue in this case in this instant. Seems more like one of the ARs talked the CR into "cutting a little slack".

I've seen a RED downgraded to a YELLOW once in an international match involving a US goalkeeper handling the ball as he accidentally left the PA.

Scott

[Claymore]

Originally posted by IASocFan
It sounds like the three whistle system described by NFHS rules, but not used in Iowa and many other states.

Bleh. Three whistles on the field is a train wreck in the making.

[IASocFan]

Originally posted by Scott Zawadzki
Wishy-Washy officiating there. First off, coaches don't get cards (unless the rules of competition allow it). ...Scott

This is High School. NFHS rules allow carding of coaches.

As far as rescinding reds. I think, our direction should be for getting the call right. The correct decision may not have been made, but the procedure of conferencing and making a joint decision appears correct to me. No restart had been made.

[pething101]

I think that the consensous would be that as along as everything was taken care of before the restart then the actions of the referee were legal albeit most unusual. Everyone I spoke to about it has never heard of a two second-yellows-thus-reds being rescinded after being shown.

[billf]

Now a whistle blew before play continued, a goal was scored, and that goal was allowed? If so, the ref team left the match in one piece?

I'm assuming this was a high school match, but regardless a whistle should end play right then and there. I know I have accidently blown a whistle. It sucks, but you have to deal with it. As far as the cards go, that's the least of the problems here.

This is why I don't favor a multiple whistle system.

[love to play]

This is definitley a HS game. NCHSAA has adopted the 3 whistle system. Where are you at in NC? Sounds like it was a pretty crazy situation.
The whistle stops play so there was no goal regardless of everyones protest. Wondering what schools were involved though.

[Jeff L]

I've never heard anything like this in my life!! And hopefully won't again!!!

[Crowdie]

Originally posted by love to play
This is definitley a HS game. NCHSAA has adopted the 3 whistle system. Where are you at in NC? Sounds like it was a pretty crazy situation.


Is there any country, apart from the US, that allows a three whistle system? No offence intended but it appears to me to be a disaster waiting to happen.

Crowdie.

[Jeff L]

Not that I know of.
"Only in America"!!

[Statesman]

Only in our high school federation too, which sadly doesn't follow the LOTG :(