Official Bayer Leverkusen thread 08-09 [R]

[Aspirin FC]

It sure is a nice view from here!! :)

Any place where I can watch the highlights? DOes anyone know if the game was broadcasted on GOL TV here in the USA?

Watch American anchors say that "Bayern Leverkusen" are on top!! LOL

GO BL04

Feelingg much better bltleo? Hope so
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[Hobo]

It sure is a nice view from here!! :)

Any place where I can watch the highlights? DOes anyone know if the game was broadcasted on GOL TV here in the USA?



The Köln game was not but the Tuesday game will be on GolTV
Tuesday, 28
3:00 pm - http://www.goltv.tv/gfx/misc/live_btn_small.gif
Bundesliga - Werder Bremen vs Bayer Leverkusen

[The Artful Lounger]

Gah. Exam that day. Will have to skip the match, I hope they repeat it. I hope I wasn't hallucinating but if I recall correctly, they'll be screening the Wolfsburg game too. Not sure it it'll be live though.

Edit: OK, scratch that. I was hallucinating ^^ I can't seem to find anything that will suggest that the Wolfsburg game will be shown in the US. Ah well, streaming it is then.

[Equilibrium]

Whooooo baby, Mertsacker looked way tooo pissed after their goalie messed on that goal. 1-0 to Leverkusen 75th minute. Mert looked very mad! :p

[Yañez]

Vidal is getting better and better every week.

[posteador]

If he keeps this up he might get picked up by a bigger team...

[Equilibrium]

Yeah he was pretty good. Leverkusen need another LM or AM though their 20 year old is only getting better and already is pretty good so far. Perhaps just a wide player, Barnetta doesn't impress me for a player who could shine in Champions League if Leverkusen were to somehow qualify. The midfield is class at times, I still have that feeling it needs something extra.

Attack is fine, Freidrich, Adler and Castro are set in stone. For me they have 8 players that are class, the other 3 spots need to improve considerably for them to be a team that can compete in CL and Bundesliga. That is, if theya re good enough. If they extend their young CB (on loan, Brazilian right(?)..) and give him a 4 year contract instead of letting him get back to Barcelona, they wouldn't need to look for a new CB next summer. I really hope so, he looks to have potential so far.

It's a team that's nearly there but needs a few more players, similar to Werder Bremen. This team has a coach who can teach his team how to defend as well besides playing beautiful football. This is what I call attacking football unlike Bremen, great team in my opinion with lots of potential.

[The Artful Lounger]

I'd really love to get excited about the Bayer team but the pessimist in me tells me that some other bigger team will just buy the good ones that we have...

[footyfan1]

This team has a coach who can teach his team how to defend as well besides playing beautiful football.

Who are you talking about?? Bruno Labbadia has never taught his teams how to defend! If he had, Greuther Fuerth would have been promoted last season.

Manuel Friedrich has looked the worst he ever has!

Dude, you've got the wrong coach.

I think Bayer are doing so well defensively because of the talent they have!

Three of their next five opponents are named Wolfsburg, Schalke and Bayern. Let's see how they look after that.

I'm very curious to see how they handle that stretch. I hope well.


This is what I call attacking football unlike Bremen, great team in my opinion with lots of potential.

Bremen attacks well. They just can't defend. This young Bayer team is flourishing when nothing is on the line right now. That is admirable.

Let's see later in the season if they don't follow the usual Bayer script and fall apart when the pressure is on......

[Equilibrium]

Leverkusen have one of the best defensive records as well as the best attacking one at the moment, so I would have to say he is teaching them how to defend and attack. They kept Bremen from scoring at their own playground, only giving them one chance. They have talent, but they are defending and doing a great job for an attacking team so far.

[footyfan1]

Leverkusen have one of the best defensive records as well as the best attacking one at the moment, so I would have to say he is teaching them how to defend and attack. They kept Bremen from scoring at their own playground, only giving them one chance. They have talent, but they are defending and doing a great job for an attacking team so far.

I didn't dispute that!

I disputed your saying that Bruno Labbadia teaches them defense!

Bruno Labbadia wouldn't know a defensive tactic if it walked up and bit him in the ass!

Michael Skibbe taught this team defense! They aren't doing anything differently than they did last season!

Bayer was fourth in the Bundesliga defensively last season. Labbadia hasn't done a f#cking thing to this team defensively.

If anything, they've attacked more and if you're always attacking, the opponents can't score, can they??

That's what Labbadia did in Fuerth last season and its what he's doing now. He did it in Darmstadt too. He is an offensive coach all the way!

[Borussia]

He is an offensive coach all the way!

And that's a good thing in my eyes (since I like offensive football)! :) That doesn't automatically mean that he totally neglects the defence (Bayer didn't concede any goal against Stuttgart, Köln and Bremen ... what's surely not Skibbe's responsibility - how you want to tell us).

Don't forget that Bruno had to cope with the loss of 2 very important CB's (Kleine & Mijatovic) in Fürth...

Labbadia is a good manager (I know his & Eddy Sözer's training methods, so the current success in Leverkusen isn't really that surprising for me), and that's the reason for Leverkusen's attractive football & the current table position! Völler surely knew why he wanted him so badly...

[footyfan1]

And that's a good thing in my eyes (since I like offensive football)! :) That doesn't automatically mean that he totally neglects the defence (Bayer didn't concede any goal against Stuttgart, Köln and Bremen ... what's surely not Skibbe's responsibility - how you want to tell us).

What I said meant Skibbe taught them good defensive football LAST SEASON. Labbadia wasn't there last season and they were still in the Bundesliga's top four.

I meant that carried over and it has!

If you don't know what I'm saying, ask before you say stupid shit like you just did!

Look man, I know you don't like anyone criticizing anyone you like, but no f#cking body is going to sit there and tell me Bruno Labbadia "teaches defense."

That shit isn't true and you f#cking know it.


Don't forget that Bruno had to cope with the loss of 2 very important CB's (Kleine & Mijatovic) in Fürth...

So what? You act like I attacked his defensive record! I said he played very offensive football! In his situation, that was good and smart!

You sit here and cry as if I attacked him!


Labbadia is a good manager (I know his & Eddy Sözer's training methods, so the current success in Leverkusen isn't really that surprising for me), and that's the reason for Leverkusen's attractive football & the current table position! Völler surely knew why he wanted him so badly...

I never said anything different! I didn't say he is a bad coach!

I was right here PRAISING Bayer for hiring him when they did!

I only pointed out one flaw he has! I didn't say he was a bad coach!

I said he wouldn't know a defensive tactic if it walked up and bit him in the ass and that might be a bit of an exaggeration, but the premise is TRUE and you f#cking know it!

[Borussia]

Look man, I know you don't like anyone criticizing anyone you like


That's wrong. I just don't like it when people get criticized unfairly (concerning also Doll & Meyer)!

I.e.


Bruno Labbadia has never taught his teams how to defend!




Dude, you've got the wrong coach.




Bruno Labbadia wouldn't know a defensive tactic if it walked up and bit him in the ass!




Labbadia surely prefers the attacking style ... but your above statements are totally unfair in my eyes!

And if you think that it was Labbadia's fault that Fürth didn't get promoted, then just take a look at the current 2nd league table ... and note the number of goals Fürth has conceded under Benno Möhlmann (who's known to prefer rather a defensive style) so far. It's 17, compared to 8 from last season after 10 matchdays.

So far about this off-topic discussion...

[footyfan1]

That's wrong. I just don't like it when people get criticized unfairly (concerning also Doll & Meyer)!

So that's what this is about.

Is BVB not better off without that f#cking idiot Doll??

We don't have Petric anymore and we're four points better and four places higher!!

Oh, but I guess Subotic is that huge difference, not the coach, right???

Get the f#ck out of here with that bullshit!


FCN?? Were chances not that FCN would have failed anyhow? ESPECIALLY seeing where they are now?

And besides, did I not say that everything at FCN wasn't Meier's fault more times than once, but the club had to do something and therefore was right to fire him??!!

I could have sworn I said that more than once, but that's one of the things you chose to ignore every time! Only that I said he needed to be fired and blamed him for his part in the mess was all you remember!

I didn't even blame the entire mess on him!

Did Misimovic not come right out and say after the season that the morale at FCN was so completely damaged that FCN would have been relegated NO MATTER WHAT???!!

Who knows better than him???!!

No. None of that could have been the problem "in your eyes".

Just that some of us had the f#cking nerve to criticize your sainted Hans Meyer! And of course, that's "unfair in your eyes."

Hans Meyer is a man who I actually happen to quite like!

Liking someone doesn't mean never criticizing them or giving them a pass when they clearly have a part to play in something that is wrong.

But no. All of that is "unfair in your eyes."

F#ck that bullshit.


Labbadia surely prefers the attacking style ... but your above statements are totally unfair in my eyes!

Everything I've ever said that you don't like is "unfair in your eyes".

(Insert huge crybaby face here!)

I even said in the last message that I was perhaps exaggerating a bit.

But you never read those parts. You only see what you can bitch about.


And if you think that it was Labbadia's fault that Fürth didn't get promoted, then just take a look at the current 2nd league table ... and note the number of goals Fürth has conceded under Benno Möhlmann (who's known to prefer rather a defensive style) so far. It's 17, compared to 8 from last season after 10 matchdays.

Oh! Well excuse me. That changes everything, doesn't it??

You MUST be right!

Now tell me with a straight face that when Greuther Fuerth faltered when the pressure was on last season, the defense didn't fail.

And tell me it doesn't matter that Labbadia took over a team that was ALREADY AT LEAST FOURTH-BEST IN THE BUNDESLIGA IN DEFENSE BEFORE HE GOT THERE?!!

If you weren't so busy trying to find something to whine and bitch about, you would see that was the basis of my f#cking point!


So far about this off-topic discussion...

The first part might not have been on subject, but YOU typed that crap about Doll and Meyer. I simply responded.

But oh yes. I was being "unfair in your eyes." Anytime I have the f#cking audacity to criticize someone you like it is "unfair in your eyes."


Everything else has been about the Leverkusen coach. Just how the f#ck is that "off-topic?" :rolleyes:


Bayer fans, I do believe you have a really good coach. Don't believe I think otherwise. I may have exaggerated a bit in my defensive criticism of him, but I truly believe he's a mostly one-dimensional coach.

That doesn't make him a bad coach at all, nor does it mean I don't like him in any way.

I just think he's one-dimensional. But when you are so good at that one dimension, no one can tell the difference.

Nor does it really matter.

My defensive comments were only made when "Equilibrium" insinuated that Labbadia is teaching this team defense.

My point is that they were already a very good defensive team when Labbadia got there.

All Labbadia had to do was not f#ck it up.

In my opinion, crediting Bruno Labbadia with Bayer's defensive performance is like saying Joachim Low is the only one responsible for the German National Team turnaround.

We all know the guy before Low had something to do with that.

Just like the way Michael Skibbe taught this Bayer team has something to do with how they play defense now. They aren't doing anything differently than they did last season.

I like Bruno Labbadia. I think he's on his way to being one of the best coaches in the Bundesliga.

I also feel if Michael Skibbe had Henrique, Kadlec, Patrick Helmes and Renato Augusto, the results wouldn't be much different. I feel they might not be quite as explosive offensively.

This is why I also believe, Rudi Voeller was right to go and get Labbadia. Skibbe simply isn't as good offensively as Labbadia is and that is where Bayer needed to improve. I feel you guys needed a coach to bring your offensive game into the light and not f#ck up the defense.

Labbadia has done that. And it helped that Voller got him some defensive reinforcements. Especially Kadlec. What an acquisition!

Again, I simply stated my opinion on a flaw I feel Labbadia has.

But as you saw, pointing out any flaws with anyone "Borussia" happens to like is "unfair in his eyes......."

I apologize to the rest of you for subjecting you to one of the squabbles he and I seem to have every few months.

As far as I'm concerned, this is over.

[Equilibrium]

Footy, I know he's an offensive coach. The point is he doesn't neglect the defense like Bremen's coach and it shows with their defensive record this season and it did last season as well. I completely agree Skibbe did an awesome job last season with their defense and it shows this season as well, but I think the new coach deserves some credit as well for keeping their defense together. Anyways, that's my take on it.

[footyfan1]

Footy, I know he's an offensive coach. The point is he doesn't neglect the defense like Bremen's coach and it shows with their defensive record this season and it did last season as well. I completely agree Skibbe did an awesome job last season with their defense and it shows this season as well, but I think the new coach deserves some credit as well for keeping their defense together. Anyways, that's my take on it.


I don't believe Schaaf "neglects the defense." Does Bremen play too offensively?

Hell yeah. But many times, you can tell by looking at Schaaf, that his players aren't with the plan.

And that could be a sign that he's finally losing a bit of control.

As far as Bayer goes, I stand by what I said. I feel all Labbadia had to do defensively was not f#ck up the foundation already laid.

He's managed not to do that and successfully integrated the new players well.

That's what I feel he deserves the most credit for.

[Borussia]

And tell me it doesn't matter that Labbadia took over a team that was ALREADY AT LEAST FOURTH-BEST IN THE BUNDESLIGA IN DEFENSE BEFORE HE GOT THERE?!!


Damn, how often do I have to mention that Kleine & Mijatovic left the club just the season before Labbadia came to Fürth?

And about Doll & Meyer: You know pretty well which kind of accusations I considered unfairly (we've talked often enough about it).

And now please let's stop this silly discussion (at least I'm going to do that)...

[footyfan1]

Damn, how often do I have to mention that Kleine & Mijatovic left the club just the season before Labbadia came to Fürth?

And about Doll & Meyer: You know pretty well which kind of accusations I considered unfairly (we've talked often enough about it).

And now please let's stop this silly discussion (at least I'm going to do that)...

I already did.

[Borussia]

Btw: According to some Franconian newspapers, Bayer is interested in signing Greuther Fürth's striker Sami Allagui for next season.