Manchester United Goalscorers and Assisters 08/09 [R]

[SyedZada]

Why Macheda has an assist for the Giggs goal, he didnt touch the ball did he ?

Is it given as an official assist or just a DS assist ?

[johno]

I'm pretty sure he did touch the ball, even if all he did was screen the man off the ball it was worth an assist though, because there's no way it gets to Giggsy without his effort.

[SyedZada]

But you didnt give an assist to Rooney last week, the ball would never have gotten to Berbatov either without his effort.

Either both are assists or none of them are.

[johno]

The last interaction before Berbatov's goal was Berbatov's shot. Had he missed completely, there'd be no goal. That is different from Macheda making sure that the ball got to Giggs who shot immediately upon receipt.

[J'can]

I'm pretty sure he did touch the ball, even if all he did was screen the man off the ball it was worth an assist though, because there's no way it gets to Giggsy without his effort.

I am commenting on the assumption that Mach didnt touch the ball but "screened" hte man off the ball, if there was no contact with the ball there cant be an assist. Imagine the crap that would open up.

Imagine: I am flying down the middle with the ball at my feet. Ronaldo makes a run to my right, becasue I suck all the defenders assume CR7 is going get the ball so they all go to cover him, I close my eyes and toe poke the ball as hard as I could, the keeper was dying with laughter at my effort and the ball ball creeps by him making it one inch over the goal line. Does CR7 get an assist or does the keeper get charged with an own goal?

Okay only the first paragraph is fully on point I just got carried away with the second. But my point is wont there have to be substantial contact on the ball for an assist to be given otherwise we could engineer a wide range of scenarios eg a clever dummy?

[johno]

That line of argument is all well and dandy if you believe that the defender was never going to clear the ball. If you look at the goal, the defender is actively trying to clear the ball. I believe Macheda got a touch on it to Giggs, but even if he didn't him shielding the ball from the defender is what allowed it to come to Giggs. He physically held off a defender trying to clear the ball. It wasn't as if he dummied a ball that was intended for Giggs.

[Amdrag]

25 for Ronnie this season with more to come. Words can't describe it.

[SyedZada]

He said a few weeks back, his target is 30, come on Ronnie.

[Dark Savante]

Carrick appears to be a better shooter on his left side than his right.

Strange chap that he is.

[Cormhag]

25 for Ronnie this season with more to come. Words can't describe it.

you should try 37:p;)

[Teso Dos Bichos]

Ronaldo has had an injury disrupted and 'poor' season which makes his goal return even more remarkable.

[billyireland]

you should try 37:p;)
How about 42? ;)

[Achtung]

Carrick appears to be a better shooter on his left side than his right.

Strange chap that he is.

Most players have a tendency to go for power with their strong foot and placement with their weak foot.

Given how good a passer he is, it would make sense that he's able to place a lot of his left-footed shots quite well.

[cr7torossi]

you should try 37:p;)

Weaker leagues with shit defenses don't count.

[Cormhag]

How about 42? ;)
Fair enough, but we're talking about THIS season ;)

Weaker leagues with shit defenses don't count.

Funny, Torres managed 21 goals in his best out of seven seasons in la liga, several of which his club were among the best in the league and he managed 33 in his debut premiership season (he'd had 15 the previous year in la liga). Please don't belittle yourself with such arrogance. I think that the top 4 teams in the EPL are a notch above the top few teams in other leagues at the moment (except Barca;) ) but if you think Sunderland are better than Getafe or other such things, you are sorely mistaken.
The EPL is the strongest league around but it's not that much stronger than la liga at all. You listen to what SKY/FOX has to say too much.
Oh, and Messi may never have scored against EPL teams but Crownaldo has never managed to score against a Spanish team either, which should be easy considering their terrible defending, right?

[littleman]

Fair enough, but we're talking about THIS season ;)



Funny, Torres managed 21 goals in his best out of seven seasons in la liga, several of which his club were among the best in the league and he managed 33 in his debut premiership season (he'd had 15 the previous year in la liga). Please don't belittle yourself with such arrogance. I think that the top 4 teams in the EPL are a notch above the top few teams in other leagues at the moment (except Barca;) ) but if you think Sunderland are better than Getafe or other such things, you are sorely mistaken.
The EPL is the strongest league around but it's not that much stronger than la liga. You listen to what SKY/FOX has to say too much.
Oh, and Messi may never has scored against EPL teams but Crownaldo has never managed to score against a Spanish team either, which should be easy considering their terrible defending, right?


Yawn.

Let's leave the talking on the pitch for the final. Also, it's not too hard to figure out that Liverpool > Atletico Madrid.

[SyedZada]

Yawn.

Let's leave the talking on the pitch for the final. Also, it's not too hard to figure out that Liverpool > Atletico Madrid.

They are even better than RM, they would probably knock out Barca as well if they faced them.

[Cormhag]

Yawn.

Let's leave the talking on the pitch for the final. Also, it's not too hard to figure out that Liverpool > Atletico Madrid.

I'll accept that whoever wins is the best team in Europe (barring some MASSIVE injustice) as it's too close to call as far as I can tell. Liverpool are definitely better than Atletico but Torres did seem to come out of his shell in the EPL. You can probably understand why I get so annoyed about the Premier league 'best league in the world' thing, I'm Irish and it's all anybody hears about here and I assume it's a similar case elsewhere. I prefer to watch La Liga because the football is a lot more skillful and nicer to look at. I can see why people like the frantic pace of the EPL but I guess we'll see soon enough whose got it right for this year. ;) Can't wait . . .

[littleman]

They are even better than RM, they would probably knock out Barca as well if they faced them.

You do realize my point right? I'm not talking about Atletico Madrid 2009 but Atletico Madrid 2007 and prior --> THE ONE WITH TORRES.

[SyedZada]

You do realize my point right? I'm not talking about Atletico Madrid 2009 but Atletico Madrid 2007 and prior --> THE ONE WITH TORRES.
Yes I know, just trying to stir things up.

For your point, just point at the failed EPL strikers who have been good/great in La Liga from Kanoute to Forlan, from Rossi to Sinama Pongolle.