Why don't all Dallas SG's sit together?

[FC Dizzle]

I don't know if the dynamics and different personalities of the different FC Dallas supporter group's clash or conflict, but have y'all ever thought about all sitting in the same section?

i dont think by sitting together, each group would lose their individuality and uniqueness, but i have noticed that each of the supporters group, whether it is the inferno, guardia roja, or los toros, are not substantially large. if they are all grouped together in one section, i think it could possibly create a much more boisterous noise, compared to smaller groups spread throughout the stadium.

just my .02 cents. just curious as to the thought process behind the location of each group, and whether there has been any discussions on merging into one section.

[Hoops10]

I don't know if the dynamics and different personalities of the different FC Dallas supporter group's clash or conflict, but have y'all ever thought about all sitting in the same section?

i dont think by sitting together, each group would lose their individuality and uniqueness, but i have noticed that each of the supporters group, whether it is the inferno, guardia roja, or los toros, are not substantially large. if they are all grouped together in one section, i think it could possibly create a much more boisterous noise, compared to smaller groups spread throughout the stadium.

just my .02 cents. just curious as to the thought process behind the location of each group, and whether there has been any discussions on merging into one section.

No disrespect, but not seeing unity in the support groups sucks. It's kinda sad looking over at the inferno and not seeing the numbers there could be.

[ElJefe]

Well, it's like this:

Like humanity in general, Dallas supporters all have their own preferences. Some prefer better sightlines than you get behind the goal and some prefer less salty language than you get behind the goal, for example.

Even if I had the power to do so, I would not force anyone who calls themselves a supporter to only stand in one section. This is America, not some totalitarian state. If somebody wants to support the team from other parts of the stadium, that's their right. (And frankly, with as much crap as they might get from some of the fellow fans who might prefer a polite golf clap, they deserve some props for putting forth the effort.)

Everybody's got their own style and I'd rather see people put forth the effort of starting their own group where they like than try to force anyone with a little passion into some sort of supporters' ghetto.

And if I might editorialize for a moment, it amuses me to no end that people like to bitch and moan about The Inferno, but why is it that after 12 years, The Inferno, as meager as some of you make it out to be, is still the largest group and the only one that's lasted for 12+ years? I don't mind when Dallas fans rip The Inferno, because it's just a bunch of clucking from goddamned hens who haven't done and don't do a damn thing to try and do things better.

[boomersooner027]

No disrespect, but not seeing unity in the support groups sucks. It's kinda sad looking over at the inferno and not seeing the numbers there could be.

So if it's sad then what are you doing to help? Have you stood in the Inferno or with another SG before? This goes for FC Dizzle too, why don't you come and chant with us during the games to help us with numbers. We can always use more fans and who knows you may just get hooked.


With regards to the OP, Los Toros is a group that prefers to sit down during the games and join in chants when they feel like it and watch the game. That's absolutely fine and there's no bad way to be a supporter as long as you're cheering for the team.

With Guardia Roja they prefer the better sightlines in the middle of the field and for the record we have united with them for games like US Open Cup where moving into the midfield sections on the east side is ok because there's no season ticket holders/other tickets sold in them. Whenever it is possible to group with them, the Inferno does.

There's absolutely no dislike between any of the 3 groups, just different strokes for different folks.

[Pegasus]

So if it's sad then what are you doing to help? Have you stood in the Inferno or with another SG before?

Well said. Can never figure out why someone who doesn't participate at all feels they have the right to tell those who do what to do. I think all fans not in SG's should sit on the east side so the attendance looks better on TV. See how easy it is!

[Rex Kramer]

With Guardia Roja they prefer the better sightlines in the middle of the field and for the record we have united with them for games like US Open Cup where moving into the midfield sections on the east side is ok because there's no season ticket holders/other tickets sold in them. Whenever it is possible to group with them, the Inferno does.
During the Miami game, Jim from security came over with the message that the FO liked having the Inferno/Guardia Roja together on the East side in full view of the cameras and the folks on the West side. Has anything further been mentioned by those at the top about making it possible for Inferno to move over there for next season without having to raise their ticket prices? (assuming they'd want to, that is)

To me it makes more sense to have the Inferno there, particularly when Houston is in town. Who wants the away fans getting more camera time than the home fans, after all?

(Obviously this is an outsider's perspective. I know very little about the inner politicking going on in Inferno)

[FC Dizzle]

This goes for FC Dizzle too, why don't you come and chant with us during the games to help us with numbers. We can always use more fans and who knows you may just get hooked.

I can only attend a few games a year because of school, but next chance I get I will.


Well said. Can never figure out why someone who doesn't participate at all feels they have the right to tell those who do what to do. I think all fans not in SG's should sit on the east side so the attendance looks better on TV. See how easy it is!

I dont "feel I have the right" to tell yall what to do. I'm not telling anyone to do anything. It's just something I thought would be a good topic to discuss. chill out, dont get your panties in a wad.

[boomersooner027]

During the Miami game, Jim from security came over with the message that the FO liked having the Inferno/Guardia Roja together on the East side in full view of the cameras and the folks on the West side. Has anything further been mentioned by those at the top about making it possible for Inferno to move over there for next season without having to raise their ticket prices? (assuming they'd want to, that is)

It's a possibility on the agenda for the offseason. Obviously nothing can be done right now because there are tickets sold in pretty much every east side section, but it's something to definately be discussed in the offseason.

[BigAdaMutt]

I think it went really well and everyone seemed to genuinely enjoy the section and being together. I hope this isn't forgotten during the off season.

[giggshasscored]

I think its valid for fans not in one of those groups to ask questions about why things are they way the are? Ultimately I think they are just curious and are expressing their opinion of what they wish they were seeing rather than 'telling' support groups what they should and shouldn't be doing.

from Inferno website: Q: Do I have to stand in Section 116 in order to join?
A: No. While Section 116 is the official location of The Inferno, we have members scattered throughout the stadium. The only thing we require of you is a commitment to cheer for the team — to do your part in creating a home field advantage for FC Dallas.

The discussion about seating locations is interesting.. I know I'd prefer to be on a sideline whether its midfield or closer to one of the goals, but where the Inferno sits isn't somewhere I'd like... so I'm curious to ask the history of how/why the Inferno chose that section... were there limited options from day 1 in PHP with assumptions that attendance would be greater in the new stadium? Is it cost choice to allow more members to attend? do the members prefer seeing the game from behind a goal? Is it just the place to throw empty water bottles at pansies like Kevin Hartman?


Also, it seems the Inferno is the most vocal... do the others know most of the Inferno's chants and join in? its hard to tell if they ever join in from TV

[giggshasscored]

I think all fans not in SG's should sit on the east side so the attendance looks better on TV.

I've never understood why they couldn't throw a single camera on the east side to get a shot of west stands. I'm assuming its a cost issue where they don't want to add a camera, and moving one other there would decrease the production quality and getting all the in game shots they want, but still it makes me sick they couldn't show the west stands with fans for 5-10 seconds a few times a game, otherwise Houstank fans troll over questioning the attendance of 16000 and say it looks like there were only 3000 and they somehow padded the figure by 13k.

[BigAdaMutt]

I don't understand why people CHOOSE to pay more and sit on the west side anyway when they aren't sitting in the full service sections (prawn sandwich sections). Why not sit in the east stands and wings for less? At 7:30 games the sun really isn't an issue anymore. Must be an ego thing?

[3rd Degree]

I've never understood why they couldn't throw a single camera on the east side to get a shot of west stands.it's not cost

it's cause a camera over there is a "reversal." If you use it you break the axis rule and it confuses the shit out of people.

On a really big show like the NFL they used to do that but they would brand it "reverse angle" and only use it on replay.

the cameras are on the same side as the pres box so the talent will be looking at the same directions the cameras do.

They tried putting the cameras on the opposite side of the cotton bowl a few times early in MLS, but it's just confusing as hell for everyone. So instead they made the sunny side open GA and a cheaper ticket to get people to sit there. They should do the same thing at PHP and let the inferno move back to midfield.

[Pegasus]

They should do the same thing at PHP and let the inferno move back to midfield.

I think we can all agree on this. They should have done it from day one. IMHO they have had it backwards for years, cheaper GA tickets until demand pushes them wider and into the end zones.

[Zé Bill]

3rd and everybody,

The absence of a shot from the east side is depriving viewers of the ambience in the stadium. ((In this case, the fuller west side stands)) * )) ((and the volume of the stadium, I mean cubic yardage of space in an architectural sense))

If TV crews don't care about getting the ambience at the stadium across to their audience...well...........then....... in how many other areas are they striking out with their cookie-cutter broadcasts?

The shot from the east side wouldn't have to be an action shot or even last very long to succeed at setting the scene. As opposed to failing.

*As an example: I've been watching DCU matches from RFK since '96, yet I had NEVER seen a shot *OF* the camera side of the stadium, only the opposite, Barra Brava side, , to the point that I asked here on BS if the camera-side of the stadium was closed-off to spectators. Drum'r Boy set met straight. My ignorance ended in iirc 2006, no thanks to the HOURS and HOURS of TV broadcasrts from RFK.

NO cable across the lower 1/3 of the screen since baseball left RFK hurray!

*example II: The TV crew during a Mexican league game, iirc Santos, got a shot from a stadium concession tunnel where home fans of iirc Santos were crowded around, nervously watching on a TV a match at a different stadium, a match whose result would help determine Santos' making la liguilla post-season. Ambience.

TV Cameras are getting smaller and better all the time.

But even WITHOUT high-quality ENG shoulder-mounted cameras,

IMHO a brief shot of an interesting subject if necessary could be [in the locution of the day] "frikkin'" AMERICA'S FAVORITE HOME VIDEOS [low] quality = without ruining the broadcast.

Show the people filing in - show the parking lot - show the inside of the verizon club - show Dario, but with the Inferno IN THE FOREGROUND = from halfway up 116 - show the people crossing Main st. on foot ... need I give more examples off the top of my head? ... BUT DON'T leave the viewer in the Stepford Stadium of genericalness!!!!!!!!!!!


95% of the broadcast is gonna be from the usual hi-quality heavy cameras on immovable tripods anyway.


keywords:

generical, cookie-cutter

On a positive note: Love the 18-yd line camera on free kicks from distance: the free-kicker and the goalie on opposite sides of the screen in a dramatical face-down!

[DallasHammster]

A lot of us stand in 116 for cashflow issues. I would be all in favor of a midline east section, if it didn't cost me anymore. :)

[mass922]

We sat together for the USOC (was it?) game, and that was a BLAST.
Guardia Roja and Inferno in the same section was awesome, and it'd be real cool if we could get a "supporters section", one precise area of the east side (because let's be honest, unless goldenballs is here, it never fills up...) where all crazy shenanigans are allowed... I'm talkin flags, smoke, loud drums and chants, occasional (but unfiltered) profanity, etc.
Los Toros' section would be prime real estate.

Granted, we know there are STH in those sections but surely some would not mind moving? or maybe they would, but meh... you have to cut some corners... surely they'd accept a move to the West side?

I'm not the FO, but in order to make progress in terms of stadium atmosphere and ambience you have to sometimes make sacrifices in terms of overall profit.

Most importantly, however:
A paid-for seat will always be worth more than an empty one.

[HardHatMike]

If I might stick my nose where it doesn't belong for a moment and deliver a note of caution to my Corporate Brothers in the South seeking to put all of their SGs in the same area....

Having all of our SGs together this season has made a world of difference up here, but it's also caused a bit of trouble with the individual groups not wanting to lose their own identities. In an ideal world, the various SGs would realize that they're not that much different and in the end are all working towards the same goal. Unfortunately, it's far from an ideal world and some people are more concerned with how their group is perceived rather than truly supporting their team.

So be careful what you wish for. While it has the potential to be great, it also has the potential to be a total nightmare.

[THOMA GOL]

If I might stick my nose where it doesn't belong for a moment and deliver a note of caution to my Corporate Brothers in the South seeking to put all of their SGs in the same area....

Having all of our SGs together this season has made a world of difference up here, but it's also caused a bit of trouble with the individual groups not wanting to lose their own identities. In an ideal world, the various SGs would realize that they're not that much different and in the end are all working towards the same goal. Unfortunately, it's far from an ideal world and some people are more concerned with how their group is perceived rather than truly supporting their team.

So be careful what you wish for. While it has the potential to be great, it also has the potential to be a total nightmare.


I echo this. And BTW depsite the result, much props to those money-earning Texans that showed up tonight. I'm sure they saw how the supporter's blocks in our corner looked and sounded. Fortunately our front office has shown initiative in a relationship with the groups. That seems to be key first and foremost. I'm one to believe that there's victory in numbers. If FCD supporters want to sound big, look great, and have that energy to motivate the team, IMHO the SGs MUST stand as one. The last time I checked, yall cheer for the Hoops, so make it happen.

[harry callahan]

Columbus last year were in the same position as you guys, atmosphere wise, a joke. they got together and now have one of the best supporters group sections in the mls. You have to do the same its that simple.