Games online

[PaulGascoigne]

Cheers, Mate. All we get is the Italy match and the Brazil-NZ one. Four streams on TVNZ online, and not one of them carries this match.

[babytiger2001]

Cheers, Mate. All we get is the Italy match and the Brazil-NZ one. Four streams on TVNZ online, and not one of them carries this match.
Same as we're getting from SBS. Not good form from the so-called multi-cultural broadcaster in Australia, to ignore what American ex-pats in Melbourne would like to see. :p

[babytiger2001]

Update, from the main pre-match thread on the USA Men's boards, Youth Nat'l Team sub-forum...

ok guys.....NEW PLAN......

USA game i am going to have to transmit at http://www.mogulus.com/cramex

Justin TV craked down on the copyright, luckily they didn't suspend my account but still....

Update your bookmarks accordingly.

[PaulGascoigne]

Update, from the main pre-match thread on the USA Men's boards, Youth Nat'l Team sub-forum...



Update your bookmarks accordingly.

Apparently they had to close that one, but the guy has now switched it to
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/canal-cramex

It's working now. Cracker of a game b/n Lith and Arg just finished. Hopefully it won't be shut down for 3 hours and we're golden. Stream's a bit grainy, and slightly choppy, but a lot better than nothing.

[LMoroney]

Like the word or not, if people are pigeon-holed into consuming a product based on technicalities and availability it sounds an awful lot like a monopoly to me.
As for the last sentence, I'll point my wrath at ABC and the World Cup / Euros instead. :cool:


Monopoly:
A situation in which a single company owns all or nearly all of the market for a given type of product or service. This would happen in the case that there is a barrier to entry into the industry that allows the single company to operate without competition (for example, vast economies of scale, barriers to entry, or governmental regulation). In such an industry structure, the producer will often produce a volume that is less than the amount which would maximize social welfare.

The point is that this isn't a product or service. It's content. And the owner of that content (IOC) has licensed a distributor for that content in this region (NBC in the USA). Anybody else distributing the content in this region is doing so without a license from the content owner.

Heck, NBC are spending $ on Bigsoccer to advertise this fact to us as a community...why should we steal from the proverbial mouth that is feeding us?

[LMoroney]

Moroney will tell you it's wrong, just ignore him. :p

:P back at ya :)

[LMoroney]

Being in Australia, though, and seeing that the NBC site doesn't work for me, is there any way that you know of I can watch the USA v Holland match this evening online?

It's not being offered on free-to-air TV here, not on Seven nor on SBS.

Sorry man -- I don't know much about the TV situation in Oz. Lovely country though. I've been to Melbourne and want to live there :)

[scotch17]

The point is that this isn't a product or service. It's content. And the owner of that content (IOC) has licensed a distributor for that content in this region (NBC in the USA). Anybody else distributing the content in this region is doing so without a license from the content owner.

Heck, NBC are spending $ on Bigsoccer to advertise this fact to us as a community...why should we steal from the proverbial mouth that is feeding us?

1. You make it sound as if NBC isn't a company out to make a profit.
2. Have you watched these online streams before? 99% of the time they're terrible quality with a dodgy connection. If people are willing to put up with that over a much-higher-quality setup... the "distributor" (lol) has bigger issues than "unlicensed distribution."
3. Most of these people asking for hook-ups are doing so because they can't access NBCs' great coverage thus far. In that sense NBC is perhaps even globalizing their "name brand" as it gets spread through what you'd probably call a "black market" over inferior foreign "distributors" who neglect a lot of their target market.

[City Dave]

Also, legally wrong does not always equal morally wrong.

Besides, this isn't a forum for objective/subjective morality discussions. There are plenty of other places for those kinds of discussions.

You've made your point, I've made mine.

Now let's move on, this thread is for information about watching the games online, regardless of the method.

[vancity eagle]

nbc have only themselves to blame. Even with all their sister channels their coverage is quite pitiful to say the least. Isn't soccer the most popular sport at the olympics. Many people do not have access to the nbc soccer channel. They should have made it more accessible.

[LMoroney]

nbc have only themselves to blame. Even with all their sister channels their coverage is quite pitiful to say the least. Isn't soccer the most popular sport at the olympics. Many people do not have access to the nbc soccer channel. They should have made it more accessible.

It *is* accessible via their website...streamed live games if you live in the USA...

[LMoroney]

1. You make it sound as if NBC isn't a company out to make a profit.
2. Have you watched these online streams before? 99% of the time they're terrible quality with a dodgy connection. If people are willing to put up with that over a much-higher-quality setup... the "distributor" (lol) has bigger issues than "unlicensed distribution."
3. Most of these people asking for hook-ups are doing so because they can't access NBCs' great coverage thus far. In that sense NBC is perhaps even globalizing their "name brand" as it gets spread through what you'd probably call a "black market" over inferior foreign "distributors" who neglect a lot of their target market.

1. Not at all. They are out to make a profit, that's the basis of our capitalist society. :)

2. So, if you are in the USA, take a look at NBCOlympics.com, which is arguably the best quality, live streamed sport event EVER. Why go with the black market?

3. NBC don't have the rights to broadcast the Olympics globally, so they cannot do it. I'm addressing the folks in the USA who want to access the content in a way other than on NBCOlympics.com. Folks in the USA are not blocked from accessing the content legitimately, so why should they not use the legitimate means, which is higher quality than the illigitemate ones?

[LMoroney]

Also, legally wrong does not always equal morally wrong.

Besides, this isn't a forum for objective/subjective morality discussions. There are plenty of other places for those kinds of discussions.

You've made your point, I've made mine.

Now let's move on, this thread is for information about watching the games online, regardless of the method.

True, just as legally right does not always equal morally right.

Forgive me, I haven't seen what your point is? What I have seen from you is an effort to justify that it is ok to watch an illegitimate stream, when a legitimate one exists and is freely accessible. I challenge those justifications. If you don't want to discuss further, that's ok.

From a mods point of view (and I am an ex Bigsoccer mod) -- I would caution all to be careful about using these boards to promote illegitimate streams, particularly when legitimate ones exist, and the owner of the legitimate ones is a Bigsoccer sponsor.

FWIW, my opinion of using these streams is completely different if the content isn't otherwise available, as is often the case with Soccer. This is a unique case...

[City Dave]

Well, since I'm not one of the people rebroadcasting/retransmitting said things, I don't have anything to worry about.

No one is going to get in any trouble for watching these feeds. Only the people that are putting them up are potentially breaking the law. Also, promoting illegitimate streams isn't illegal either.

Plus, there is no way that BS would compromise the trust of its users by giving up their private info to anyone, including their sponsors. If they did, they'd have an even bigger mess on their hands than potentially losing a sponsor.


Oh, and not only that, but my point was that you're going on and on about how this is wrong, or how it's illegal, or illegitimate. Okay, we get it. It's wrong, it's illegitimate, you've made your point, you've challenged my justifications. Yet you continue to repeat yourself, like I'm doing in responding to you. But you called me out again so I had to make my "point" as you put it.

If you don't have anything else to add other than, "don't watch them because it's illegitimate and unfair to NBC" then why are you here? You've already said that several times.

This thread is for people who want to watch games online. Feel free to post a comment about how a link is illegitimate every time someone posts one, but it's really just a waste of your time.

[LMoroney]

Well, since I'm not one of the people rebroadcasting/retransmitting said things, I don't have anything to worry about.
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Thanks. Discussion ended.