Der Club! The FCN thread 09/10 [R]

[robenne]

I was all set to watch this game one clubTV, but they didn't have it on the website.

It's there. The games are not broadcasted LIVE, but are usually uploaded shortly after the game is over. Don't look at the scores and the game will seem LIVE. :-)

Thankfully GolTV is scheduled to show Friday's game, so all Americans who have access to that channel will be able to watch the club in action.

BillPaul

Check! DVR is all set to record.

[Borussia]

http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/bundesliga/spieltag/1-bundesliga/2009-10/7/938092/spielbericht_1-fc-nuernberg-81_vfl-bochum-8.html


I saw tonight's home game together with my FCN bro and a few of his Club mates in a pub (they must be very happy to not have attended the match at stadium). When I told him how poorly the FCN players had looked against Gladbach despite the 1:0 win (he was on holidays in Egypt at that time), he didn't believe me and thought that I was biased due to "frustration" ... but after watching tonight's performance against Bochum, he was simply shocked!

I asked him: "When are you going to beg Hans Meyer for saving FCN's ass again?" :p ;) My bro was one of those Club fans - unfortunately not the majority - who felt very ashamed after the treatment of HM by those idiots Roth & Bader (and a few more idiots from the board) ... so he knows very well that Hans Meyer (who sat on the main stand again tonight, btw) won't take the job as long as Bader (well, at least Michaela Roth isn't there anymore) and a few persons from the board aren't gone.

The opportunist Bader is facing very tough moments right now, btw (most fans are calling for his demission).

[Pichi]

I just finished watching the match on GolTV and this was the first time I got to see Der Club on TV and not have to read about the match on Kicker or Soccernet. My take is that this team is in trouble and relegation is a real possibility. They controlled the ball for almost 2/3's of the match, but the offense really never had any dangerous attacks or counter attacks and anything they did have going for them bogged down outside the box. The newly promoted Bochum keeper made two great saves and that was all the work he had for the 90+ minutes this evening. On the Bochum goal the defenders weren't playing man to man so the first Bochum player was all alone and was able to flick the ball to Klimowicz who was unmarked and scored easily. There really wasn't no sense of urgency by the team especially since they had 83 minutes to do something and they didn't.

Oennings days are numbered unless Der Club can improve their play, with tonites loss they are now in relegation zone and Hertha and Koln can jump ahead if they win their matches which would leave Der Club dead last with 5 points after 7 matches.

I should note that at half time and the end of the match there were numerous whistling from the fans who voiced their displeasure on tonites performance.

Next week on the road against Leverkusen. Here is the match report in English:

http://soccernet-assets.espn.go.com/report?id=273030&cc=5901&league=GER.1

Er Pichi

[Borussia]

Soccer can be really crazy sometimes: Against Gladbach, the team had about 35-40 % ball possession ... and won. Tonight it was exactly the opposite.

Btw: I'm surely not the only one who believes that FCN's current attack is not good enough for the league (although the new signing Choupo-Moting looked promising against BMG & Bayern). It was even pretty average in the 2nd league last season (when many games were won due to a good defence)...


Buenos noces.


PS: What a terrible comeback for skipper Andy Wolf tonight (after his 2-games ban)! Causing the 0:1 ... and then getting injured once again early in the game.

[el-capitano]

Whats up with Spiranovic? Is he injured again, as I see he's not even making the bench?

[Borussia]

All I know is that he was fit ahead of the home game against my club a few weeks ago (when Vidosic was a starter, btw)...

[footyfan1]

Whats up with Spiranovic? Is he injured again, as I see he's not even making the bench?


He's been relegated to the amateur team.

[el-capitano]

He was meant to be our next big thing ahead of Vidosic- and now they seem to have reversed their club status!

[BillPaul]

Soccer can be really crazy sometimes: Against Gladbach, the team had about 35-40 % ball possession ... and won. Tonight it was exactly the opposite.

Btw: I'm surely not the only one who believes that FCN's current attack is not good enough for the league (although the new signing Choupo-Moting looked promising against BMG & Bayern). It was even pretty average in the 2nd league last season (when many games were won due to a good defence)...


Buenos noces.


PS: What a terrible comeback for skipper Andy Wolf tonight (after his 2-games ban)! Causing the 0:1 ... and then getting injured once again early in the game.
I have watched two games now and I have to say, although it pains me greatly, that I agree with you 100%. It was extremely difficult to watch. In fact, the only thing it was more difficult was watching my beloved Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

I am not really good at identifying what needs to be done, as I never really played football/soccer, but I think we need a good solid playmaker and a few more like the young man they picked up on loan from Hamburg.

I see relegation in our future if things don't change quickly.

[footyfan1]

Soccer can be really crazy sometimes: Against Gladbach, the team had about 35-40 % ball possession ... and won. Tonight it was exactly the opposite.


Dude, you of all people should know that a team isn't determined to be "better" by how much it has the ball, rather than by what it does with the ball when they have it.



Btw: I'm surely not the only one who believes that FCN's current attack is not good enough for the league (although the new signing Choupo-Moting looked promising against BMG & Bayern). It was even pretty average in the 2nd league last season (when many games were won due to a good defence)...


No, you definitely are not the only one.

For me it is "twice as bad" because another club I love, BVB, has the same problem.

Do you know what the deal is with Oenning and Mintal?

Why isn't Mintal always in the lineup playing behind the strikers??

[robenne]

Hey Club Fans, set your DVR for tomorrow's (3 Oct) game against Bayer Leverkusen. :D

GolTV 09:30 (Florida timezone)




... and please stop all this relegation talk, it's still early in the season!!!!! :mad:

[Pichi]

Hey Club Fans, set your DVR for tomorrow's (3 Oct) game against Bayer Leverkusen. :D




2 weeks in a row Der Club on TV!! Woohoooo I will DVR and catch the match after the bike ride, I am sure a nice Hefeweizen or two and some brats on the BBQ will be an excellent pairing for the match! :D

Er Pichi

[Pichi]

What a huge disappointment, I hadn't even sat down on the couch after hitting the play button on the DVR and Der Club was already down 1-0. The defense looked very unsure of themselves and were always one to two steps behind Leverkusens strikers who had a field day in the first half. Four shots on goal and three goals scored. Pinola looked like he was playing with cement shoes on and looked awful. The offense was non-existent and only got off 4 shots with only one on goal. So after 8 matches Der Club has only scored 4 goals which is the worst in the league and have given up 12 goals.
They are in 17th place but only 2 points away from escaping the relegation zone. Somehow Oenning has to be able to get from the strikers and for the defense to not have those mental lapses giving up easy goals as they did today. Granted Levekusen are the league leaders but still I was disappointed and Der Club is 0-2 on GolTV so far this season. :(

Here is the match report from Soccernet:


Bayer Leverkusen 4-0 Nurnberg


1-0 2Toni Kroos (2)
2-0 Simon Rolfes (pen 28)
3-0 Eren Derdiyok (34)
4-0 Kießling (68)

Match Stats
Bayer Leverkusen Nurnberg
Shots (on Goal) 18(8) 4(1)
Fouls 15 16
Corner Kicks 3 1
Offsides 1 1
Time of Possession 58% 42%
Yellow Cards 0 1
Red Cards 0 0
Saves 1 4


Teams
Bayer Leverkusen Nurnberg
1 René Adler 1 Raphael Schäfer
4 Sami Hyypia 25 Javier Horacio Pinola
5 Manuel Friedrich 23 Matthew Spiranovic
27 Gonzalo Castro 16 Juri Judt
2 Daniel Schwaab 2 Dennis Diekmeier
6 Simon Rolfes 26 Thomas Broich
23 Arturo Vidal 24 Peer Kluge
7 Tranquillo Barnetta 36 Jaouhar Mnari
39 Toni Kroos 17 Mike Frantz
11 Stefan Kießling 21 Dario Vidosic
19 Eren Derdiyok 14 Eric Maxim Choupo-Moting
Substitutes
29 Theofanis Gekas Christian Eigler 8
18 Tomasz Zdebel Marek Mintal 11
15 Hans Sarpei Alexander Stephan 30
20 Lukas Sinkiewicz Marcel Risse 12
3 Stefan Reinartz Albert Bunjaku 10
36 Fabian Giefer Dominik Maroh 6
28 Burak Kaplan Ilkay Gündogan 22
Substitutions
Theofanis Gekas for Eren Derdiyok (71)
Christian Eigler for Juri Judt (41)
Stefan Reinartz for Tranquillo Barnetta (73)

Lukas Sinkiewicz for Manuel Friedrich (76)

Yellow Cards
Mike Frantz (81)

Bayer Leverkusen maintained their unbeaten record and moved to the top of the Bundesliga for at least 24 hours after a comfortable victory over Nurnberg.

The game was effectively over by the interval thanks to an early Toni Kroos effort, a Simon Rolfes penalty and an Erden Derdiyok strike.

Stefan Kiessling then rounded off the success with 22 minutes left in the contest.

Juup Heynckes's team leapfrog Hamburg at the top of the table with 20 points, although their rivals can regain the lead with a win at Hertha Berlin tomorrow.

Nurnberg coach Michael Oenning will be starting to feel the pressure as the promoted club are second from bottom with just five points from eight games, and a league low four goals scored.

Leverkusen dominated the early stages and went ahead after just two minutes when Kroos curled a free-kick over the wall into the top left corner from 18 yards out.

Nurnberg tried to get into the game but Leverkusen doubled their lead after 28 minutes. Jawhar Mnari brought down Kroos in the area and Rolfes stepped up to take the resulting spot-kick, with the captain firing home into the lower left corner.

And it was 3-0 just six minutes later. An attack down the left side went almost unnoticed by the disorganised Nurnberg defence and Kiessling passed to Derdiyok, who slotted home with plenty of space from eight yards.

Kiessling then added his name to the scoresheet in the 68th minute, when he was left unmarked to head home Manuel Friedrich's headed assist for his eighth goal of the season.

Er Pichi

[BillPaul]

I don't know when I became such a pessimist, but when they set up for the free kick at roughly 1 minute and 30 seconds into the game, I already knew they were going to score on that kick. The rest of the game was torturous.

I don't know how the heck they will win games playing like that, much less remain in the league. It's just plain sad.

[footyfan1]

Nurnberg coach Michael Oenning will be starting to feel the pressure as the promoted club are second from bottom with just five points from eight games, and a league low four goals scored.



Well, with that clown Roth no longer serving as president, I think Oenning's job is safe if he can pull off some wins when the schedule gets "easier."

It has to be said that this truly is not a 1st Bundesliga roster FCN has. It is a very good 2nd Bundesliga roster.

That is not Michael Oenning's fault....

They always would have to play "over their heads" to remain in the 1st Bundesliga.

The battle against Hertha BSC Berlin at the Frankenstadion on October 17th will tell us a lot about where this team is going.

Both teams need three points from that match as badly as you can imagine.

I'll be hoping Der Club finally gets it together and sends Hertha another rung down the ladder.

I truly have no ill will toward Hertha, but as German clubs go, currently, for me, after Borussia Dortmund, it is 1860 and FCN.

FCN will always have a spot in my heart and while I may have hated the previous president, I'll always wish the best for this club.

Unless they are playing Borussia Dortmund, that is! LOL!! :D

[footyfan1]

I don't know when I became such a pessimist, but when they set up for the free kick at roughly 1 minute and 30 seconds into the game, I already knew they were going to score on that kick. The rest of the game was torturous.

I don't know how the heck they will win games playing like that, much less remain in the league. It's just plain sad.


Dude, your feelings are nothing unusual.

You feel the same as about 95% of Club fans right now. :o

[DC in SC]

The worst part was that after that first goal, we really started to push forward and get a few chances and for a few minutes it looked as if the equalizing goal might be possible but then gave away that PK on a quick rush out and pretty much killed all momentum from there. We had our moments, just like against München, but our defense is just not up to keeping with the better teams for 90 minutes, and these tough games that might be draw attempts for some other teams, are probably going to end up looking like the score in this game.


The game against Hertha BSC should be a good one, and with maximum points will hopefully bring the confidence to get through some of these rough road games coming up.

[Borussia]

http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/bundesliga/startseite/515796/artikel_Club-Aufstieg-teuer-erkauft.html

5.8 million loss last season ... so it's pretty clear why there's no money for new signings.

I just wonder what happened with the millions they got for Misimovic, Vittek, Saenko, Koller etc. ...

[footyfan1]

http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/bundesliga/startseite/515796/artikel_Club-Aufstieg-teuer-erkauft.html

5.8 million loss last season ... so it's pretty clear why there's no money for new signings.

I just wonder what happened with the millions they got for Misimovic, Vittek, Saenko, Koller etc. ...


That money should have gone to pay down the debt FCN was already in.

It isn't as if FCN has been profitable in a very long time.


Let's show the others the approximate millions you refer to:

(Numbers according to Transfermarkt.de)


Misimovic - 4M
(FCN should have made the 4M "transfer profit" as they signed Misimovic on a free from Bochum)


Vittek - 4M
(FCN paid 1.3M for him when they got him, so his "transfer profit" for FCN was 2.7M Euros)


Saenko - 3M
(FCN should have made the 3M "transfer profit" as they signed Saekno on a free from KSC)


Koller - 1.2M
(FCN paid 1M for him when they got him from Monaco, so his "transfer profit" for FCN was just 200,000 Euros)


I'll even add two.

Schäfer - 2M

(However, FCN paid 375,000 Euros when first getting him from VfB Luebeck and another 500,000 when getting him back from Stuttgart, making his "transfer profit" 1.125M)


Reinhardt - 100,000
(That sum is the loan fee FCN got from Augsburg. Reinhardt joined FCN on a free from Bayern Amateurs)



Total Transfer Profit On Players You Mentioned And I Added: 11.125M Euros



Again, you have to take into account that FCN was already in debt and the salaries they paid to those players and others.



Now, take a look at just a few of the players still on the roster they've paid for over the past two or three years:


Charisteas: 2.5M
(Total of 2.35M as FCN got 150,000 Euros for loaning him to Leverkusen last season)

Eigler: 1.6M

Pinola: 1.2M

Boakye: 450,000

Gyax: 350,000

Diekmeier: 200,000

Bunjaku: 200,000

Frantz: 100,000

Spiranovic: 50,000


Total: 6.5M



Players such as Mnari, Kluge, Broich, Vidosic, Bieler and Judt were all signed on free transfers.


Of course, we haven't covered all the transfers in and out, but just from the players we named, FCN should have made a "total transfer profit" of: 4.625M over the past two to three years.


Naturally, you also have to take into account, salaries, operating costs, etc.


The only reason I did these numbers was to show that while FCN may be "leaking money" from somewhere, it sure as hell isn't losing money in transfers.


Martin Bader has done a superb job in that department.


So when whomever it was gets up and says "Promotion was expensive" for FCN, I wondered what the ******** he's talking about.

Past debt doesn't count here, this guy was talking about "current operating debt."


At FCN, I think not only are players getting paid too much, but possibly board members and former club presidents too. :rolleyes:


I see in the Kicker story (http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/bundesliga/startseite/515796/artikel_Club-Aufstieg-teuer-erkauft.html), they speculate that players such as Andreas Wolf, Javier Pinola, Marek Mintal and Peer Kluge are paid as "1st Bundesliga players" and speculates that Raphael Schäfer, Christian Eigler and Isaac Boakye are too.


But is that really enough to rack up nearly 6M in operating debts??


And I can see paying Pinola, Schäfer, Mintal (from loyalty) and Kluge as "1st Bundesliga players", but not the rest......

The question is, did Bader make those calls too???

I know when BVB was in trouble, the club asked the top players it wanted to keep to take pay cuts and they did.

Why can't FCN do the same???

[BillPaul]

When you look at some of the salaries paid to players here in the United States, it makes you wonder if you're really getting what you paying for in Nürnberg.

There are quite a few young players here that would be a serious upgrade for the Club. If my memory serves me correctly, the club had a tremendous amount of financial problems when I was there 88-94.

It sure looks bleak.