Should Arturo Alvarez play for El Salvador?

[FenoFutbol]

I though it deserves its own thread.

In my opinion.

He is not a Magico, not a Cienfuegos.

- Is he good enough to be in our NT? Yes.

- Do we need him? He can help, mostly mentally and psicologically when we play mentally strong teams like Mexico or the US, I do believe we have better talent at home, Quintanilla is just one example.

- Its better if he plays for the US? The US is nowhere near winning a world championship, he is going to get rejected vrs bigger and more physical white guys with not less skill. He knows that, I dont know why he tries to insist on playing for a mediocre team like the US.

- If he comes, great, if he doesnt, well the heck with him, he is probably nowhere outside of mediocre and slow MLS, and the best thing, he is missing all the fun of playing in packed stadiums with hardcore soccer fans, being treated as a novelty in our little great country.

In other words, this fool is dumb if he doesnt play for the Azul y Blanco. Hugo Perez was rejected from our NT and from FAS when young, went to France, then came back to take the white college kids to the world cup... Hugo would die to play for the Azul and he was the one who scored the goals that eliminated our team in El Cuzcatlan... Hugo is really a character in our soccer culture.

Arturo, you have the shot to beat Costa Rica, and then face Mexico and the US? Why would you want to sit on the bench and watch you "nt" play long balls every game?

We will def have better options and a more competitive team with Alvarez there, I could agree with that.

[L.A.Firpo84]

Does ES need Alvarez?.. Huumm or maybe Mayen....? Yes without a doubt, this team without Cheyo is Hope less...
-The question should be why should he play for ES? If let say...., while being in a tournament (copa oro, uncaf...etc) with ES NT away from his team can he make a living, pay bills with what la federacion pay there players? The cost of living is a lot more higher in the US than out there in ES....
-Now playing for which country does he have a greater chance of getting scouted by let say an European team....?(this may be the reason why he insist on playing for the US)... last time i checked scouts dont look in ES way anymore. Why? because of the NT poor results, another reason why in reality there arent that many good players coming out of the country simply because teams arent investing in promoters, reserves, creating clubs etc... they just want that sunday pay is not clima is the WWF... ES has a bad habit of playing the same teams over and over again in preperation for the WC qualifiers so the chances of any top scouts being present at the games are slim to none...
-Another question has the ES federation contacted him??? He has said it just like Gerson Mayen that no one from the federation has contacted him....he said in el grafico... Mayen told Futbol Es por vida LOL just ask him....

[R9Kevinr9]

I say yes, i think he should give us a shot, and we should give him a shot. I think he can do good for us, i really think he can help us out alot. However, he has been pretty bad this year....not like last year he was sensational. I kinda have a feeling he won't end up playing for any seleccion.

As for Gerson Mayen, he is too young an unexperienced...i don't think he has even started for Chivas USA. In the years to come well see, he has alot of potential.

[spanishfan1]

Of Course he should play for El Salvador. The man got skills, dribbling skills...he would help the team with the experience he has gained in MLS. In my opinion, he may learn what leaving it all on the field, is all about. Playing with heart, which E.S did versus Panama. He will know what it feels like to be a true proud Guanaco!!!!!!! He will love the E.S shirt as much as anyone us!!!! With Arturo on the squad, our chances increase.....Cheyo and Alvarez together....or if no Cheyo just Alvarez n no Alvarez then we got Cheyo...know what I mean.

[FenoFutbol]

One of the reasons why Cariota Barraza is my favorite player of all time is not bc he is Migueleno but bc he rejected offers from Santos de Brazil and Pele and Mexican clubs... why?

He though Aguila was the best club in the world, he was happy in El Salvador, he did not need to go to other places and school some fools like Magico did.

I hate that feeling that you have to go to Europe to become something... no you dont! Pele never did it!

I hate the feeling of wanting to play for an NT who does not want you, who does not want people like you in their national team, who does not like flashy and under the ground soccer.

Not, they dont need Alvarez in the US, in here you are either big and dumb like Oneywu or whatever his name is, dumb and physical like bradley or dumb and fast like beasley, why would you insist on being part of a mediocre team that cant even score a goal in a world cup? at least we did ;) Zapata did!

Magico was great bc he beats Madrid and Barca with a humble Cadiz, he got out of the Bernabeu and Nou Camp with their local fans ovacionandole and sacando los panuelos blancos como lo hicieron con Maradona or Cruff...

What good would Alvarez do to the US nt of Bob who only strategy is to send long balls to Altidore and to hope that Adu or Donovan make some miracle play??? Dont you get it? the US wants to play like Germany, they like dumb soccer, they dont like street or skilled soccer.

That being said, Alvarez is dumb, a lot of us would kill to represent our Pulgarcito, if he wants money, well he'll be better making millions in some scandinavien league, he is not going to Spain or Italy or ping pong EPL.

Sometimes I wish Messi was borned in El Salvador, you saw what Messi did to Barcelona? that its called pride, something a lot of you Salvadorean Americans dont know... sorry if that hurts, but it hurts me to hear a lot of you putting money in front of this issues.

Not money in the world would change the love and pride on your home, your family...

Good luck to Alvarez watching the next world cup at home, watching his mediocre NT going 0-3 in another world cup. Yes your NT isnt physical enough :D tell Bob to bring "better" athletes this time.

YOOOOOOO SOY GUANACOOOOO CON MIS SENTIMIENTOS QUE NO PUEDO PARAARRRRRRR

[R9Kevinr9]

That's why i kinda don't want Alvarez, because he is not certain he wants to play for us. I don't want anyone in our Blue in White thinking he is too good. Messi is a class act, he always puts Argentina in front of Barca...that's the way every player should be. I don't think Alvarez will do that for us.

Btw I'm Salvadoran-American and i have always put the blue and white before Red white and blue. Always have always will, i would kill to play for ES.

The EPL is not ping pong football, you have to be out of your mind feno! The EPL is the best league in the world, you have to be a beast in every aspect to play in the EPL. It's way more competitive then la liga. ;)

[FenoFutbol]

That's why i kinda don't want Alvarez, because he is not certain he wants to play for us. I don't want anyone in our Blue in White thinking he is too good. Messi is a class act, he always puts Argentina in front of Barca...that's the way every player should be. I don't think Alvarez will do that for us.

Btw I'm Salvadoran-American and i have always put the blue and white before Red white and blue. Always have always will, i would kill to play for ES.

The EPL is not ping pong football, you have to be out of your mind feno! The EPL is the best league in the world, you have to be a beast in every aspect to play in the EPL. It's way more competitive then la liga. ;)

Its not about putting the US over El Salvador or putting El Salvador over the US man. Its about putting PRIDE OVER MONEY!

Nery Castillo was borned in Mexico, raised in Uruguay. NERY WAS REJECTED FROM URUGUAY. THEY SAID NERY WAS TOO SHORT AND THEY DID NOT NEED HIM IN THE CHARRUA.

WELL NERY SAID "THEY DONT NEED ME, I PLAY FOR MEXICO."

That its called pride. Nery beats Uruguay with Mexico in Copa America.

Hugo Sanchez says "I didnt put Nery vrs the African team bc they are too physical."

Nery says "Imagine if we play vrs Brazil, the most physical and the best team in the world? Im not big enough to play vrs Brazil?"

Nery scores the best goal of Copa America and Mexico beats Brazil....

Get it? You have pride, if you girl doesnt like you, well you say "f... this bit.." i find a girl who likes and and who wants me, who respect me.

Alvarez is not the first Salvadorean American who claims to be better than a Salvadorean-Salvadorean. the fact is that not even Mexico or the US has produce a player like Magico or Cariota.

Hugo Perez along with Barraza are my heroes, they had balls, they had pride, the pride of a real Cuzcatleco!

[R9Kevinr9]

Its not about putting the US over El Salvador or putting El Salvador over the US man. Its about putting PRIDE OVER MONEY!

Nery Castillo was borned in Mexico, raised in Uruguay. NERY WAS REJECTED FROM URUGUAY. THEY SAID NERY WAS TOO SHORT AND THEY DID NOT NEED HIM IN THE CHARRUA.

WELL NERY SAID "THEY DONT NEED ME, I PLAY FOR MEXICO."

That its called pride. Nery beats Uruguay with Mexico in Copa America.

Hugo Sanchez says "I didnt put Nery vrs the African team bc they are too physical."

Nery says "Imagine if we play vrs Brazil, the most physical and the best team in the world? Im not big enough to play vrs Brazil?"

Nery scores the best goal of Copa America and Mexico beats Brazil....

Get it? You have pride, if you girl doesnt like you, well you say "f... this bit.." i find a girl who likes and and who wants me, who respect me.

Alvarez is not the first Salvadorean American who claims to be better than a Salvadorean-Salvadorean. the fact is that not even Mexico or the US has produce a player like Magico or Cariota.

Hugo Perez along with Barraza are my heroes, they had balls, they had pride, the pride of a real Cuzcatleco!

I really, really don't put money ahead of pride. That's why i rather play in ES then in USA, i've told you that....it's not about the money to me...it's about my dream, ever since i was a bicho i stood in front of a mirror with my ES..i'm not like that never will. It's about my love for football, and ES that keeps me going.

[truesoccerfan]

hello soccer fans!! i'm new inhere....yea i saw him play last weekend for san jose versus l.a galaxy and he scored a goal. i realized el salvador could really use him..but i guess he doesn't have any plans in playing for e.s....maybe they should take a look at gerson mayen of chivas usa.

[R9Kevinr9]

hello soccer fans!! i'm new inhere....yea i saw him play last weekend for san jose versus l.a galaxy and he scored a goal. i realized el salvador could really use him..but i guess he doesn't have any plans in playing for e.s....maybe they should take a look at gerson mayen of chivas usa.

Welcome mate, i agree with you....however i don't think Gerson should get a call up to the Senior side, maybe a sub 20 call up.

[USAfutbol]

FIFA rules do not permit Alvarez to change his national team affiliation at his age having been capped on the youth national team level.

I believe the rule is that if the player has played national team games for the youth level for country A but HOLDS a passport for country B prior to turning 23 (or maybe it's 21, I cannot remember) and he has not received a cap for the full senior national team then he can change his affiliation. However, if he either 1) does not hold the passport prior to a certain age , 2) change his affiliation by that age or 3) has a senior national team cap, then he cannot change.

Alvarez, therefore, because of number 2, cannot play for El Salvador.

Otherwise, yes, the kid could help ES a lot and he's not going to be in the US plans, so if he were able to change he should have done it.

[Sandon Mibut]

Exactly.

AA is cap-tied to the US because he played with the US U20 team in the qualifiers for the 2005 U20 World Cup.

Those are FIFA-sanctioned events and as such, cap-tie all participants. Those with dual-citizneship at the time of their participation are provisonally cap-tied until there 21st birthday or they play for the senior team of the country that provisionally cap-tied them.

Alvarez had till he was 21 to notify FIFA he wanted to take advantage of the rule allowing him to switch to El Salvador. He did not do so, as evidenced by the fact that earlier this year, at age 22, he played for the US U23 team so obviously he didn't switch to El Salvador.

Hence, he can't do so now, even if he wanted to.

[L.A.Firpo84]

Wrong, Wrong, Wrong !!!! :d

[Sandon Mibut]

Wrong, Wrong, Wrong !!!! :dI wish I was. I think it's a shame Alvarez' internationally tied to a country that seems to have minimal interest in using him.

Were he not tied to the US, he'd likely benefit from the experience he gets with El Salvafor and so would the ES national team.

Ain't happening, so it's a moot point but it's still too bad.

[R9Kevinr9]

I wish I was. I think it's a shame Alvarez' internationally tied to a country that seems to have minimal interest in using him.

Were he not tied to the US, he'd likely benefit from the experience he gets with El Salvafor and so would the ES national team.

Ain't happening, so it's a moot point but it's still too bad.


Thanks for the info mate, appreciate. REP!
You too USAFutbol.....

[L.A.Firpo84]

If he was right than Reyes wouldnt be playing for us :p

[R9Kevinr9]

If he was right than Reyes wouldnt be playing for us :p

Did Reyes ever play for Honduras?

[USAfutbol]

Did Reyes ever play for Honduras?

William Reyes, as in the guy that plays for Metapan?

No. He did not.

L.A. Firpo, I am afraid to make a statement about the importance of critical reading here as it may actually be a language barrier issue. I encourage you to return to Sandon's post and refer to the conditions required that prohibit AA from changing sides, namely that the change has to occur BEFORE his 21st birthdayIF he had already appeared for national team at the youth level AND he had already had possession of the ES passport when he was playing for the USA youth national team.

In the case of Reyes, he never appeared for a Honduran youth or senior national team, so he may have changed his country from a public perspective but the way FIFA sees it he was never tied to a national team in the first place, so there was not CHANGE. He was just selected for the national team at a later age, and it happens to be a national team in a country that he recently obtained citizenship.

Two completely different scenarios.

[L.A.Firpo84]

Reyes did play for the Honduras National team, they were not official Fifa games though....do a little bit of research..

[Sandon Mibut]

Reyes did play for the Honduras National team, they were not official Fifa games though....do a little bit of research..But the games that Alvarez played for the US in fact WERE official FIFA games. Yeah, they were YNT games, but they were qualifiers for a World Chammpionship.

End of story.

Unless FIFA changes their rules again, Alvarez is forever cap-tied to the US.